• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:44
CEST 01:44
KST 08:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup4StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)66Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2315
StarCraft 2
General
Back to SC2 after 14 years - Protoss CTRL groups? How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? October World Ranking: herO stays #1, ByuN returns SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ]
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
Sagi.gg Launcher Released RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site Bot on ladder BW General Discussion BSL Season 23
Tourneys
2v2v2v2 Tournament [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9445 users

LOL vs SC2 and My tweets

Blogs > Deleted User 155124
Post a Reply
Deleted User 155124
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
72 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-20 13:15:13
October 20 2012 12:13 GMT
#1
**********************************************************************************************************
****The Views expressed herein are not related to the ESL, and is my own violation****
***********************************************************************************************************

So let's talk about the recent Forbes article from Mr. Paul Tassi by bringing out a few points he made and find out how much truth is evident.

"But the winds have shifted, as they often do in this industry, and what once was a thriving game (Starcraft2) and community is now teetering on the edge of irrelevancy."

The word choice of irrelevancy is an interesting one... since it doesn't mean what I 'think' he is trying to say which is: "...is now teetering on the edge of obscurity " might be more 'relevant', but despite his word choice, let's go over the merit of his accusation with some statistics.

This information is taken from: TL Stream Data There was a -2299 user decrease on personal streams out of the total 65,415 total users. Or a 3% decrease in viewer-ship for the month of September.

This doesn't take into consideration the tournaments such as the HyperX cup the MSI Pro Cup the MLG vs Proleague or the ESP Berlin Open.

You can debate how important a 3% loss is, but it is still a decrease, so maybe Mr. Tassi has a point. Let's continue:

"Most notably three big name, Code-S level players (the best in the world), Puzzle, Min and Coca, said they’re leaving Starcraft 2 altogether. ."

Tassi's word flow here is misleading though, surely he must mean Code - S players are the best in the world and not, "three big name, Code S level players the best in the world etc..."

Two... big name Code S level players... Min never actually qualified for Code S, he made it to Code A but lost in the Round of 32 to Yoda in July so he dropped out completely. 3 months later he started playing LOL.

CoCa reached the Ro8 in July 2011 of GSL Code S but after some controversy of match throwing CoCa gave up his Code S spot in November (presumably 2011).

Finally Puzzle: This is a guy that beat Supernova and MMA to make it to the Ro8 in Season 1 GSL 2012. Seems like he was doing well, even won ESV TV Korean Weekly: Season 3 Week 8, but in the end has switched to LOL.

"It’s now the game being played 25% of the time in all Korean internet cafes, thanks to its accessibility from a skill perspective and the fact that it’s free to play"

EDIT: PC Bang Statistics indeed do show that League of Legends is being played almost 25% of the time.

"Despite event organizers’ best efforts, there’s nothing that even comes close to an event as epic as League’s World Finals which had a $2M prize pool funded by Riot Games itself."

There's this little event called WCS... Blizzard itself is funding it.
Data Taken from: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=368732
Asia: $127,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and Asia Finals(32).
Europe: $190,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and Europe Finals(32).
North America: $120,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(9), and North America Finals(32).
Oceania: $30,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals(2), and Oceania Finals(8).
South America: $45,000 and all trips paid to WCS World Finals (3) and South America Finals(16).
+ 250,000 for the World Championship is: $762,000 in prize money for a single player game... if you want to make a fair comparison of splitting it between four other team-mates, then let's just say its the equivalent of a $762,000 * 5 = $3,810,000 million dollar tournament for a team game.

This is actually a very important point though, Starcraft2 doesn't need huge payouts so it will look more attractive on a balance sheet to investors looking for return on investment (ROI) or for companies that just don't want to dedicate the budget.

"League is a free game with free updates while Starcraft costs $60 "

http://www.saturn.de/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/MultiChannelSearch?storeId=48352&langId=-3&searchProfile=onlineshop&query=STarcraft

It's a German electronics store selling Starcraft2 for 35 euros or 45 dollars, not sure where you are shopping Mr. Tassi, but maybe try Amazon next time?

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=starcraft

($35)

The rest of the article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/10/18/starcraft-2-struggles-as-league-of-legends-rises/

Goes over how Starcraft2 for 1v1 just isn't fun for casual players while LOL is, that Riot seems to understand their game and their players, while Blizzard is accused that since they don't have free weekly release cycles that their product implementation strategy of having big expansions with small tweaks is seen as inferior? It's not really important to me that a new unit gets added on a weekly release cycle to Starcraft 2, because the game's depth is enough to keep me wanting more, but that isn't for everyone and that is OK, but it doesn't mean that Starcraft2 is inferior to LOL much like Tennis isn't inferior to Basketball, it's just a different game, for different types of people.

There is the concern however on how a very sparsely researched piece of literature made it to the front of Forbes... the holes in the arguments are huge! I won't claim I am a writer/editor or any master of the English language, but for gods sake... Google... that is all.
________________________________________________________________________________

Will write another blog on Paul Tassi's Update: http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/10/19/further-thoughts-on-starcraft-2-and-league-of-legends/

But for now, I want to see the reaction to my thoughts and research done.

Update #1 The tweet in question is here: F*** LOL. Love Starcraft. I am part of the 5%.
Update #2 Minor text updates

*
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
October 20 2012 12:41 GMT
#2
Gamenote

PC Bang Statistics indeed do show that League of Legends is being played almost 25% of the time.
BW sits at #6 with almost 4%, and has been maintaining that percentage for a very long time.
SC2 sits at #20 with less than 1%, way outside Top 10.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
Deleted User 155124
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
72 Posts
October 20 2012 13:15 GMT
#3
Edited Thanks Jpak
1Dhalism
Profile Joined June 2012
862 Posts
October 20 2012 13:58 GMT
#4
LoL had regional qualifiers as well. Not to mention that the comparison is not about how much progamers earn it's how much money companies are willing to pour into it and the effect big numbers have on observers. Not to mention 35 dollars for the game is still 35 dollars more then 0.
You just really shamelessly spin facts to suit your point.
Scholera
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States166 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-20 14:14:28
October 20 2012 14:13 GMT
#5
On October 20 2012 22:58 1Dhalism wrote:
LoL had regional qualifiers as well. Not to mention that the comparison is not about how much progamers earn it's how much money companies are willing to pour into it and the effect big numbers have on observers. Not to mention 35 dollars for the game is still 35 dollars more then 0.
You just really shamelessly spin facts to suit your point.



no, the article was awful.. He worded it to make it seem like the three people leaving were MvP, Dongraegu and MC and to a consumer, a $60 game is VERY different from a $35 game. Plus, LoL being easier isnt why more people are playing it, Battle.net 2.0 is just horrible. And it's cos if your friends play lol, you play lol, whereas sc2 is solo without UMS which was the best most thriving casual part of Broodwar and wc3
1Dhalism
Profile Joined June 2012
862 Posts
October 20 2012 14:54 GMT
#6
On October 20 2012 23:13 Scholera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 22:58 1Dhalism wrote:
LoL had regional qualifiers as well. Not to mention that the comparison is not about how much progamers earn it's how much money companies are willing to pour into it and the effect big numbers have on observers. Not to mention 35 dollars for the game is still 35 dollars more then 0.
You just really shamelessly spin facts to suit your point.



no, the article was awful.. He worded it to make it seem like the three people leaving were MvP, Dongraegu and MC and to a consumer, a $60 game is VERY different from a $35 game. Plus, LoL being easier isnt why more people are playing it, Battle.net 2.0 is just horrible. And it's cos if your friends play lol, you play lol, whereas sc2 is solo without UMS which was the best most thriving casual part of Broodwar and wc3

i have no doubt original article is rebut-able, just not by manipulating facts to suit your point of view.
And if you think 60 dollar game is very different from 35 dollar game imagine how different 35 dollar game is from a free game. Yea.
Deleted User 155124
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
72 Posts
October 20 2012 15:24 GMT
#7
Going along the warring concept on how much one pays for a game...

The original author Mr Tassi, made an assertion about price points that was 100% incorrect at the time of writing. I wanted to draw attention, to the point that he wanted to draw attention to... so why did I do this?

For me, when reading an article if I spot something that I am almost certain is a falsehood I want to verify this fact for my own sake and if I am proven right I see the author in a very different light.... like maybe he/she doesn't know what they are talking about, or maybe that they are purposefully augmenting truth to suit their needs.

Either reason to me puts the article in a very poor light.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 10h 16m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft457
ViBE119
Nina 114
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 13836
firebathero 113
Hyuk 52
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm163
febbydoto92
League of Legends
Doublelift4973
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King75
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby5325
Other Games
summit1g8786
FrodaN2422
JimRising 451
KnowMe211
ArmadaUGS120
Trikslyr25
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1169
BasetradeTV171
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream104
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 99
• musti20045 30
• Letter144
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10h 16m
INu's Battles
12h 16m
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
15h 16m
MilkiCow vs TBD
Clem vs TBD
BSL Open Qualifier
19h 16m
BSL Open Qualifier
19h 16m
Replay Cast
23h 16m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 10h
Rush vs Light
WardiTV Weekly
1d 11h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 16h
Replay Cast
1d 23h
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soma vs Soulkey
INu's Battles
2 days
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
INu's Battles
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-02
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Copium Cup
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Disclosure: This page contains affiliate marketing links that support TLnet.

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.