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Need to vent frustrations about the HotS beta.

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Alokiya
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States648 Posts
October 06 2012 02:15 GMT
#1
So, I logged into the hots beta after not playing for a week or so due to the WoW xpac coming out last week and sucking up all my time (fuck yea pandas!) So, I log in, queue up for ladder, and get a game vs terran. He bunker rushes me. Whatever, on to the next game. I get cannon rushed and hold it off losing a single drone and a couple lings. I fail a baneling bust and he goes colossus void ray and walks across the map and kills me.

The frustrating thing so far in the beta is that it's largely WoL on new maps, and that a lot of people aren't trying to do anything special or new (I realize this all sounds hypocritical since I just tried to cheese a guy out of a game, but cannon rushing makes us all do stupid things), they're just going with the builds (and a lot of times all ins) that work for them in WoL. It's getting irritating to the point that I really don't care about the beta anymore. I don't know how many people are in the beta currently, but maybe it'll get better with a couple more waves. Otherwise, I'll probably just wait for release to pick it back up. I get enough WoL off the live client anyway.

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C'mon my guppies, swim up my stream! - Day[9]
CyDe
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1010 Posts
October 06 2012 02:30 GMT
#2
Well, I think that as the beta goes on, people less and less are trying out cool new things. Yeah it does suck for someone to do a bunker rush or a cannon rush, but if you're going into the beta expecting a totally new game I think you're gonna have to adjust your standards. Truth is that the changes from WoL are going to be subtle at best. Maybe a few new timings, some cute play with widow mines or something. Plus, I don't know what league you are in, but at the lower levels seeing the new units is probably not going to be as you expect it. Higher level players are still figuring them out, so lesser skilled players are no doubt more clueless.

I don't know what my point is. I guess maybe you were expecting too much, and I think you should stick with it. Why not? You'll get into HotS much more quickly than the rest of us. Chances are you will eventually see some intriguing new shit.

Still, a bunker and cannon rush back to back is understandably infuriating.
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fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
October 06 2012 02:45 GMT
#3
Yep thats why i just went back to WoL. It's really silly. WoL on horrible maps.
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Alokiya
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States648 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 05:17:36
October 06 2012 05:14 GMT
#4
On October 06 2012 11:30 CyDe wrote:
Well, I think that as the beta goes on, people less and less are trying out cool new things. Yeah it does suck for someone to do a bunker rush or a cannon rush, but if you're going into the beta expecting a totally new game I think you're gonna have to adjust your standards. Truth is that the changes from WoL are going to be subtle at best. Maybe a few new timings, some cute play with widow mines or something. Plus, I don't know what league you are in, but at the lower levels seeing the new units is probably not going to be as you expect it. Higher level players are still figuring them out, so lesser skilled players are no doubt more clueless.

I don't know what my point is. I guess maybe you were expecting too much, and I think you should stick with it. Why not? You'll get into HotS much more quickly than the rest of us. Chances are you will eventually see some intriguing new shit.

Still, a bunker and cannon rush back to back is understandably infuriating.



I'll play it, it's just silly that I've seen an overwhelming amount of cheese vs trying the new units. I'm not sure what the appeal of just cheesing is when you could play with a bunch of kick ass new units. I will say, with the newest version of the widow mine, I did get beat up by a pretty funny proxy factory widow mine all in. Was cool to see a proxy factory build for the first time in god knows how long.

Edit: I'm in gold on beta (diamond on live), but I've seen bronze to GM so far. I'm sure everything will end up working out when more people get in, I have to imagine the player pool is still pretty small.
C'mon my guppies, swim up my stream! - Day[9]
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 05:47:04
October 06 2012 05:46 GMT
#5
At least you guys have beta
I'm still waiting (rather hopeslessly) for an invite

HOLY FUCK THIS BLOG MADE ME CHECK MY EMAIL AND I JUST GOT AN INVITATION

ah well i'll comment with my opinions later
can i get my estro logo back pls
Alokiya
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States648 Posts
October 06 2012 05:57 GMT
#6
On October 06 2012 14:46 aRyuujin wrote:
At least you guys have beta
I'm still waiting (rather hopeslessly) for an invite

HOLY FUCK THIS BLOG MADE ME CHECK MY EMAIL AND I JUST GOT AN INVITATION

ah well i'll comment with my opinions later



I'm glad my frustration lead to something positive! :D

Grats dude!
C'mon my guppies, swim up my stream! - Day[9]
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
October 06 2012 06:54 GMT
#7
Yeah I feel like (with the exception of the widow mine and the viper) none of the new HOTS units really add anything powerful enough to be made a necessity. They're nice little niche options, but they aren't really worthy of being staples of a MU. That may change, though. We'll see.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
rogzardo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
610 Posts
October 06 2012 07:05 GMT
#8
i played 3 games and went back to wol
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 07:39:06
October 06 2012 07:38 GMT
#9
On October 06 2012 16:05 rogzardo wrote:
i played 3 games and went back to wol


Reminds me of the WoL beta and how I reacted to that.




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If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
imPermanenCe
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands595 Posts
October 06 2012 09:13 GMT
#10
At least you have beta!

CHECKED MY MAIL AND NO INV!
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PiGStarcraft
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia999 Posts
October 06 2012 10:06 GMT
#11
My problem with the beta was opposite. Everyone was doing stupidass greedy builds to get to a super strong position to use the new units from. They were basically all begging to get cheesed.
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Enearde
Profile Joined February 2011
France265 Posts
October 06 2012 17:19 GMT
#12
On October 06 2012 19:06 PiGStarcraft wrote:
My problem with the beta was opposite. Everyone was doing stupidass greedy builds to get to a super strong position to use the new units from. They were basically all begging to get cheesed.


Well isn't it the point of a beta? Using the new units? I don't see the point cheesing if it's just to win with cannons, lings or marines...i know it's a competitive game but you can win using the new units too...
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