EPTThis doesnt look like a joke! It was really entertaining! I had rated it 5 stars for a reason, and that reason wasn't pity. :D Keep it up!
Also you may have noticed that I suck as well, so if you ever want to play a few games, hit me up :D
[BR] First TvP BW win! - Page 2
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
This doesnt look like a joke! It was really entertaining! I had rated it 5 stars for a reason, and that reason wasn't pity. :D Keep it up! Also you may have noticed that I suck as well, so if you ever want to play a few games, hit me up :D | ||
BigFan
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On September 09 2012 14:52 Bibbit wrote: I did read this and 5 star this morning but I didn't comment. Since you went through the trouble of digging out one of mine and posting, I should post back! This doesnt look like a joke! It was really entertaining! I had rated it 5 stars for a reason, and that reason wasn't pity. :D Keep it up! Also you may have noticed that I suck as well, so if you ever want to play a few games, hit me up :D Thanks, too kind though. I don't have the writing skills for BR and I could've done much better in that game >< Of course, I would love to get some games, even now lol and I just realized you're Zerg as well so TvZ  I should mention though that I'm mostly on iCCup or trying to before I start getting busy with uni in the next several weeks. Do you actually play on fish because I saw your stream earlier and it was on Fish? | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On September 09 2012 15:08 BigFan wrote: Thanks, too kind though. I don't have the writing skills for BR and I could've done much better in that game >< Of course, I would love to get some games, even now lol and I just realized you're Zerg as well so TvZ I should mention though that I'm mostly on iCCup or trying to before I start getting busy with uni in the next several weeks. Do you actually play on fish because I saw your stream earlier and it was on Fish?Haha I think you have my confused with one of the other similarly named BW players like Bizzy or Bibiane :D I'm just some D kid! | ||
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BigFan
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On September 09 2012 15:13 Bibbit wrote: Haha I think you have my confused with one of the other similarly named BW players like Bizzy or Bibiane :D I'm just some D kid! lol ya, I confused you with Bibiane >< Either way, you probably play better than I do lol so I'm up for a challenge | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
 TvP is a difficult matchup, especially for beginners, nice BR too. On hotkeys, I used 1-2-3-4-5 for army, 6-7-8 for scans, 9-0 for CCs (I start 6-7 CCs and then switch them to comsats once I start the comsats). Production goes to F2, Rally point goes to F3, one of the bases with unhotkeyed CC goes to F4. Works pretty well. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On September 09 2012 14:36 BigFan wrote: There is no way this guy is white-ra smurf lol. and higher? isn't that D+ then since its a step up from D? lol but ya, I figured he's D-/D at best but I'm still wondering how that works as in where's the cut off for D or D+? Thanks You are d + when you know you have gone beyond memorizing build orders and worrying about macro and micro mechanics instead you are controlling the flow of the game . Attacking at places where the advantage is to you and not to him . | ||
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BigFan
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On September 09 2012 16:07 Djagulingu wrote: Congrats for your win man TvP is a difficult matchup, especially for beginners, nice BR too. On hotkeys, I used 1-2-3-4-5 for army, 6-7-8 for scans, 9-0 for CCs (I start 6-7 CCs and then switch them to comsats once I start the comsats). Production goes to F2, Rally point goes to F3, one of the bases with unhotkeyed CC goes to F4. Works pretty well. Thanks, ya, I'm starting to think the early game in TvP is going to be a major headache. I managed to get several games going last night(finally lol) and two were TvPs. My opponent(same one, did a re) went for dts and I was trying to expand, forgot my engineering bay and when I noticed, I couldn't get it up in time gg. Then next game, I just finish building my rax and he already has a zealot and my marine is out, another zealots ... I couldn't hold on because all my workers got killed as they tried to repair a bunker gg >< Makes me wonder if I should go rax and build bunker right away. On September 09 2012 16:09 Sawamura wrote: You are d + when you know you have gone beyond memorizing build orders and worrying about macro and micro mechanics instead you are controlling the flow of the game . Attacking at places where the advantage is to you and not to him . hmm fair enough, thanks for the clarification | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
Btw, you mention working on your multitasking abilities to push faster - that's never a bad thought, but actually given the position you were in, I feel like pushing slowly (preferably with turrets), was more than adequate. Making sure your push is safe feels like the most important thing to focus on if you're ahead in terms of expansions. What I'm not a big fan is pushing one direction and expanding on the other side of the map. Usually you want your push protecting your expansions as the mech army is immobile. I'm a chobo like you though, so don't take any advice of mine seriously. What I can tell you with certainty is this: You dominated this game. Well done! For the hotkeys, here's zimps guide that I've been following up until now after previously using the "F2 production F3/4 rally" system. It takes some time getting used to but in just a short while you will find it SO DAMN USEFUL. + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2012 11:59 zimp wrote: I'm a hotkey expert. My suggestion to you: Terran: 4 main command center 5-6-7-8-9 factories / barracks 0-9 (8-7) scan later 1-2-3 (4-5-6) units F2 natural CC and later 4th base F3 main CC then change to third base when you take it and later 5th F4 rally point (of course F keys can be changed. example: F3 nat F2 main and later 3rd F4 rally point) in case of mech: barracks 8 (doesnt conflict with units, and other factories in early game when you use it) machine shop 7 for max efficiency starport(s) 6 and/or 7 later dropships 3 M&M usage 1 medics (this way you don't have to change if you use more/less marines) 2-3 (4-5) marine 4 or 5 (depending on marine amount): tanks 5: tanks/vessels 6: vessels / dropships / vults for mine academy at start: 7/ 8 (so you can see + hit fast stim/range) Why is this good: - you cover 3 bases + production facilities + rally with hotkey in a way that no hotkey is wasted - 4S is comfortable + by the time you have 4-5-6 groups of units, you don't really need to make more scvs, so you can change the CC - you can maintain perfect scv production on 1 base while doing crucial micro (double tap 4 to send scv to work. you can also add your nat cc to a hotkey like 3 or 8 or 9 in situations where you want to focus 90% on micro so this way you can still produce scvs from 2ccs without going home at all - idle scvs are still better than no production). - otherwise F2nat+F3third will force you to remember to actually send the scvs to work. - you can pull workers very fast from stormdrops/reaver/lurker drop etc. anywhere it happens since you always have 2 F key spots where u see minerals. - F4 is needed for rally point so you can jump very fast to your reinforcements and send them to battle in later game. - you don't need F key for macro. Early-mid game, you can macro perfectly only from hotkeys. in late game, you just double tap 7 to go back to production facilities. this way you also see production rate if you spam 7 so you know when to macro. if you don't have 6 group of units at that moment, you can also set a starport to 6 and this way you will not forget to make vessels. - you can use 3 factory with addon from hotkey while having 3 scans on hotkey and 4 groups of units on hotkey. quite good for tvp. - hotkey usage is mobile (for example if you make a build like 6 fact allin where u cut scvs, you can put your 6th fact on 4. or another example is 5 rax build with terran, you can add 5th rax to 9 and use your natural scan from F2 only for scouting thech so you still have 0 for fast scanning) - you can set rally very fast by assigning your lastly built production facilities to 5-6(-7-8) then F4 then 5rightclick 6rightclick etc. ![[image loading]](http://i46.tinypic.com/2z3nvww.jpg) Whether you choose to use this technique or another one, do make sure you think about it some time and take the time to get used to different styles. With a game like BW where mechanics play a huge part, you don't ever want to stop improving these and things like the f2 production facilities MIGHT hold you back. I'm not saying it will, as yet again I'm waaay too inexperienced for that Anyway good luck with your terran, and it was fun reading this, make more in the future! | ||
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BigFan
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On September 10 2012 08:20 Stratos wrote: Haha, this felt so weird looking at. At least as far as expansion timing goes, it just looks as if you played the Protoss and your opponent played the Terran in this game. Btw, you mention working on your multitasking abilities to push faster - that's never a bad thought, but actually given the position you were in, I feel like pushing slowly (preferably with turrets), was more than adequate. Making sure your push is safe feels like the most important thing to focus on if you're ahead in terms of expansions. What I'm not a big fan is pushing one direction and expanding on the other side of the map. Usually you want your push protecting your expansions as the mech army is immobile. I'm a chobo like you though, so don't take any advice of mine seriously. What I can tell you with certainty is this: You dominated this game. Well done! For the hotkeys, here's zimps guide that I've been following up until now after previously using the "F2 production F3/4 rally" system. It takes some time getting used to but in just a short while you will find it SO DAMN USEFUL. + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2012 11:59 zimp wrote: I'm a hotkey expert. My suggestion to you: Terran: 4 main command center 5-6-7-8-9 factories / barracks 0-9 (8-7) scan later 1-2-3 (4-5-6) units F2 natural CC and later 4th base F3 main CC then change to third base when you take it and later 5th F4 rally point (of course F keys can be changed. example: F3 nat F2 main and later 3rd F4 rally point) in case of mech: barracks 8 (doesnt conflict with units, and other factories in early game when you use it) machine shop 7 for max efficiency starport(s) 6 and/or 7 later dropships 3 M&M usage 1 medics (this way you don't have to change if you use more/less marines) 2-3 (4-5) marine 4 or 5 (depending on marine amount): tanks 5: tanks/vessels 6: vessels / dropships / vults for mine academy at start: 7/ 8 (so you can see + hit fast stim/range) Why is this good: - you cover 3 bases + production facilities + rally with hotkey in a way that no hotkey is wasted - 4S is comfortable + by the time you have 4-5-6 groups of units, you don't really need to make more scvs, so you can change the CC - you can maintain perfect scv production on 1 base while doing crucial micro (double tap 4 to send scv to work. you can also add your nat cc to a hotkey like 3 or 8 or 9 in situations where you want to focus 90% on micro so this way you can still produce scvs from 2ccs without going home at all - idle scvs are still better than no production). - otherwise F2nat+F3third will force you to remember to actually send the scvs to work. - you can pull workers very fast from stormdrops/reaver/lurker drop etc. anywhere it happens since you always have 2 F key spots where u see minerals. - F4 is needed for rally point so you can jump very fast to your reinforcements and send them to battle in later game. - you don't need F key for macro. Early-mid game, you can macro perfectly only from hotkeys. in late game, you just double tap 7 to go back to production facilities. this way you also see production rate if you spam 7 so you know when to macro. if you don't have 6 group of units at that moment, you can also set a starport to 6 and this way you will not forget to make vessels. - you can use 3 factory with addon from hotkey while having 3 scans on hotkey and 4 groups of units on hotkey. quite good for tvp. - hotkey usage is mobile (for example if you make a build like 6 fact allin where u cut scvs, you can put your 6th fact on 4. or another example is 5 rax build with terran, you can add 5th rax to 9 and use your natural scan from F2 only for scouting thech so you still have 0 for fast scanning) - you can set rally very fast by assigning your lastly built production facilities to 5-6(-7-8) then F4 then 5rightclick 6rightclick etc. Whether you choose to use this technique or another one, do make sure you think about it some time and take the time to get used to different styles. With a game like BW where mechanics play a huge part, you don't ever want to stop improving these and things like the f2 production facilities MIGHT hold you back. I'm not saying it will, as yet again I'm waaay too inexperienced for that Anyway good luck with your terran, and it was fun reading this, make more in the future! ya, you're right. I should expand along with my army to protect my expansion since mech is immobile, mistake on my part lol. Thanks for commenting and hotkey list | ||
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