EPTMusings on the sponsorship situation in Korea - Page 10
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Rakso
Sweden18 Posts
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FXOBoSs
337 Posts
Every single one of them responded in the same way. "Dont take a disgruntled gamer at face value". I dont know any back story, and I dont want to know its none of my business. But I have experienced similar in the past. There is a chance they are highly exaggerating. I am informed, everyones financials are ok. Some better than others, but everyone is doing fine. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On August 29 2012 15:30 FXOBoSs wrote: So I just spoke to a bunch of Koreans about this thread in particular. Every single one of them responded in the same way. "Dont take a disgruntled gamer at face value". I dont know any back story, and I dont want to know its none of my business. But I have experienced similar in the past. There is a chance they are highly exaggerating. I am informed, everyones financials are ok. Some better than others, but everyone is doing fine. I've gotten athe same respone from the progamers I know here as well. Even when I was living in the prime house, they seemed like they had enough money to get by. I mean they weren't swimming in money like IM or FXO is, but they are doing decently. Often times we would go out to eat, and not at cheap places either, sometimes even going out for McD's was common, and for 10+ of us living in the house, thats was 50,000 plus won just for one meal. This may not be common in all teamhouses, but still. I know by fact that prime isn't poor. I think people think that all Korean teams apart from IM are broke and don't have 20 won to rub together, that just isn't the case. Most teams have enough to make a profit, but not enough to be sending their players out to foreign events. Foreign events are a risk for any Korean team, so sending them will always be something that Koreans won't do unless it is a sure thing. This is fairly the same for all foreign teams except for the few bigs ones that can afford to send everyone. | ||
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On August 29 2012 15:39 masterbreti wrote: I've gotten athe same respone from the progamers I know here as well. Even when I was living in the prime house, they seemed like they had enough money to get by. I mean they weren't swimming in money like IM or FXO is, but they are doing decently. Often times we would go out to eat, and not at cheap places either, sometimes even going out for McD's was common, and for 10+ of us living in the house, thats was 50,000 plus won just for one meal. This may not be common in all teamhouses, but still. I know by fact that prime isn't poor. I think people think that all Korean teams apart from IM are broke and don't have 20 won to rub together, that just isn't the case. Most teams have enough to make a profit, but not enough to be sending their players out to foreign events. Foreign events are a risk for any Korean team, so sending them will always be something that Koreans won't do unless it is a sure thing. This is fairly the same for all foreign teams except for the few bigs ones that can afford to send everyone. 44 dollars to feed 10+ growing kids is actually quite cheap. Thats like 4 dollars per person. | ||
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
Its strange how Europe can have like 10 weekly tourneys and korea got 1... Just think about all the talent and potential in korea that isnt getting any exposure at all... | ||
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FXOBoSs
337 Posts
On August 29 2012 15:47 BackSideAttack wrote: 44 dollars to feed 10+ growing kids is actually quite cheap. Thats like 4 dollars per person. In korea you can get it cheaper than that if you are in a big group. I pay for expensive bbq for the team when I go, and its like 70 bucks for 16 of us. | ||
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kskusanagi
Korea (South)133 Posts
As a Foreigner in Korea and having mostly foreign viewers and players, I can only hope to attract few type of sponsors such as expat banking, hardware computer res-sellers, and few others. I am no proteam or any viral social buzz on the internet (yet), and it always takes a vicious spiral kind of feel: you need a sponsor to look more pro and attract people interest => you need to attract more people interest to attract sponsor => and so on. Thanks to TB for the nice read, I am sure we will soon talk about those issue more as SC2 HOTS comes out and SC2 regain a bit more strength against competition. See ya for some fun games on koreign.com | ||
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JebOfArabia
United States18 Posts
It's admirable for TotalBiscuit to be proactive in fixing what he's perceived to be a problem, kudos for that. With my journalism background, however, I usually assume that everyone is lying about everything until I have a reason to believe otherwise. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 29 2012 15:30 FXOBoSs wrote: So I just spoke to a bunch of Koreans about this thread in particular. Every single one of them responded in the same way. "Dont take a disgruntled gamer at face value". I dont know any back story, and I dont want to know its none of my business. But I have experienced similar in the past. There is a chance they are highly exaggerating. I am informed, everyones financials are ok. Some better than others, but everyone is doing fine. Sorry for this noob question, but how does a gaming team make money? | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On August 29 2012 16:06 FXOBoSs wrote: In korea you can get it cheaper than that if you are in a big group. I pay for expensive bbq for the team when I go, and its like 70 bucks for 16 of us. Still, in Korea 5,000 won per person would not be something they would do if they had money. comparing I can go out and buy a lot more food cheaply in Korea, for example, Kimbap is like 1000 won per "roll" which is approx a foot long, and its alot healthier. which lets say they all eat tons of food, and they each eat 2 rolls, thats only 20,000 for a shit ton of food. plus you have to know that in Korea, 4 dollars per meal isn't a cheap meal here, it is in the west, but in Korea where the average income is something between 20-30,000 US. My point still stand on its own though, if teams like prime and such were as poor as TB is implying, then there are 100's of cheaper and healthier food in the area where we could have eaten. The Korean teams aren't struggling for money, but they aren't bathing in it either. | ||
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FXOBoSs
337 Posts
On August 29 2012 16:18 Shady Sands wrote: Sorry for this noob question, but how does a gaming team make money? Bottom line. It doesn't, it just finds money to spend. We have an e-sports team because of the internet exposure it generates us rather than a cash in hand thing. Its useful to us because our business is pretty much 100% online. I think people could only really make money out of it if it was on TV. As in have a cash rich profitable business, not a "more sponsors to spend more money" business model. | ||
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FXOBoSs
337 Posts
On August 29 2012 16:24 masterbreti wrote: Still, in Korea 5,000 won per person would not be something they would do if they had money. comparing I can go out and buy a lot more food cheaply in Korea, for example, Kimbap is like 1000 won per "roll" which is approx a foot long, and its alot healthier. which lets say they all eat tons of food, and they each eat 2 rolls, thats only 20,000 for a shit ton of food. plus you have to know that in Korea, 4 dollars per meal isn't a cheap meal here, it is in the west, but in Korea where the average income is something between 20-30,000 US. My point still stand on its own though, if teams like prime and such were as poor as TB is implying, then there are 100's of cheaper and healthier food in the area where we could have eaten. The Korean teams aren't struggling for money, but they aren't bathing in it either. When I checked, average wage in KR is 18k. But I can't remember where I got that stat. I checked before going to Korea when the foreign FXO was in GSTL. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 29 2012 16:33 FXOBoSs wrote: Bottom line. It doesn't, it just finds money to spend. We have an e-sports team because of the internet exposure it generates us rather than a cash in hand thing. Its useful to us because our business is pretty much 100% online. I think people could only really make money out of it if it was on TV. As in have a cash rich profitable business, not a "more sponsors to spend more money" business model. How far away is eSports from getting on TV? | ||
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FXOBoSs
337 Posts
On August 29 2012 16:35 Shady Sands wrote: How far away is eSports from getting on TV? OGN is TV. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
I mean, TV internationally. Sorry, I should have been more specific. | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
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BobStaMan
United States29 Posts
A Sport being broadcasted on TV makes revenue... Ticket Sales/Advertiser Endorsement/Merchandise Sales/The Broadcasting Station buys the slot for the Sport Broadcasting Station survives by Commercials/High Ratings for a higher price for commercial placement/Some other sources I'm sure. A Professional SC2 Team could have: Stream Revenue(Subscriptions)/Online Production(Videos/Tutorials/Coaching)/Endorsements I feel the only way we will extend our reach to other companies that are capable of putting the money into this esport is if we really do glorify them and put them out there even more than the tournaments have been. These sponsors should feel an impact each time their brand is shown. | ||
opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On August 29 2012 15:39 masterbreti wrote: I've gotten athe same respone from the progamers I know here as well. Even when I was living in the prime house, they seemed like they had enough money to get by. I mean they weren't swimming in money like IM or FXO is, but they are doing decently. Often times we would go out to eat, and not at cheap places either, sometimes even going out for McD's was common, and for 10+ of us living in the house, thats was 50,000 plus won just for one meal. This may not be common in all teamhouses, but still. I know by fact that prime isn't poor. I think people think that all Korean teams apart from IM are broke and don't have 20 won to rub together, that just isn't the case. Most teams have enough to make a profit, but not enough to be sending their players out to foreign events. Foreign events are a risk for any Korean team, so sending them will always be something that Koreans won't do unless it is a sure thing. This is fairly the same for all foreign teams except for the few bigs ones that can afford to send everyone. glad to know prime and fxo are doing okay :D | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On August 29 2012 16:24 masterbreti wrote: Still, in Korea 5,000 won per person would not be something they would do if they had money. comparing I can go out and buy a lot more food cheaply in Korea, for example, Kimbap is like 1000 won per "roll" which is approx a foot long, and its alot healthier. which lets say they all eat tons of food, and they each eat 2 rolls, thats only 20,000 for a shit ton of food. plus you have to know that in Korea, 4 dollars per meal isn't a cheap meal here, it is in the west, but in Korea where the average income is something between 20-30,000 US. My point still stand on its own though, if teams like prime and such were as poor as TB is implying, then there are 100's of cheaper and healthier food in the area where we could have eaten. The Korean teams aren't struggling for money, but they aren't bathing in it either. That's a bit of an exaggeration. Kimbap isn't 1 foot long, it's like at most, 6" and they're usually 1,500 won or so. And usually a bit more once you start adding extras in it. With that being said though, food is much cheaper here. Eating out vs cooking, it's not that big of a difference. | ||
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