• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:51
CEST 11:51
KST 18:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview4[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)5Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview5
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 18-25): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League4Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double0Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview Weekly Cups (May 18-25): MaxPax wins doubles herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 527 Hell Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Pros React To: ASL S21 Finals BW General Discussion Very long shot - StarCraft x A7X video Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light vespene.gg — BW replays in browser
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck? European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development streaming software
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Customization Drives Loyalty…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2349 users

Why you SHOULD be playing random on ladder.

Blogs > Whitley
Post a Reply
Whitley
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States238 Posts
August 24 2012 00:03 GMT
#1
I have nothing against strictly Terran players, because I play Terran too, just not like picking Terran.

Like I choose Terran for 0 games in a row and then don't switch, and keep picking Random.

But the reason why I disagree a ton with playing 1 race is;

STOP WHINING

---------

Just think, maybe not every random player sucks. Maybe not every random player cheeses.
Maybe we do enjoy playing the macro ZvT or PvZ. Maybe we do like the whole idea of "metagame". Maybe we also just like playing random. Maybe if you're a Zerg player. You need to have an opening for ZvP, ZvT, ZvZ AND!!!! WAIT FOR IT!! WAIT FOR IT!!! ZvR!

If you still don't understand, lemme try again;

First of all random has sweet ass portraits.

It makes playing SC (for the randos), exciting, on the edge of both(me and you) of our seats cause who knows what the hell is going to happen next.

Did you ever think that by playing vs a random player could be making you a better player? Now I have ZERO proof of this theory but maybe that constant thought of "I'm about to get cheesed! OH NOS PROXY" Is keeping you on your guard. Your checking that mini map, you're scouting like a pro, your making sure that depo is getting dropped right when it needs to because if it doesn't this asshole random player is about to come flooding in with 6 lings.

Maybe not all of us want to play the "standard" and sit and gather minerals/gas for the next 25 mins and then have a 9 second battle that decides the game.

Maybe I want to throw 2 reapers at you, because why? because why not?

Maybe the next game I want to 3hatch before pool because I fucking want to. And then maybe the next game I'll open up FFE and play out a nice standard macro game.

The fact of the matter is if I played 50 games of ladder, I'd maybe encounter 5-10 randoms. Those 5-10 games out of 50 are not ruining your ladder experience. They are not making you a worse player, they are not completely throwing off your entire practice session.

Just because you got rolled up by 1-2 randoms and it was more than likely your own fault doesn't mean that you need complain to the internet that RANDOM IS SO UNFAIR and come up with all these bullshit theory's about why random shouldn't be on the ladder.

So what if it's not allowing us to be the best players possible.. So what if it makes your ladder experience 0.9% less fun because now you have to plan 1 more safe opening.


In closing...

RANDOS FOR SHANDOS!

*
D4V3Z02
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany693 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 00:18:29
August 24 2012 00:10 GMT
#2
You can play random if you want to have fun but not when you want to win. Random doesnt make you more unpredictable, just many low level people think naiv about random.

Edit: I still dont get this blog, does the thread writer suffer because people blame random player? Very Confusing.
http://www.twitch.tv/d4v3z02 all your base are belong to overlord
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
August 24 2012 00:11 GMT
#3
On August 24 2012 09:10 D4V3Z02 wrote:
You can play random if you want to have fun but not when you want to win.

I play random, have fun, and win.
Whitley
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States238 Posts
August 24 2012 00:21 GMT
#4
On August 24 2012 09:10 D4V3Z02 wrote:
Edit: I still dont get this blog, does the thread writer suffer because people blame random player? Very Confusing.


Thread writer is mostly just annoyed by the recent trend of TL threads and opponents crying about random.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
August 24 2012 00:57 GMT
#5
I like how the idea behind this post is random players wanting to play a macro game when literally playing random forces the opponent to either play incredibly safe or non-standard. I thought the popular concensus was that way considering all the posts that agree with that statement. You can't just make a contrarion opinion based solely on that as a random player compared to the people playing random who have issues with the idea of Random as a race choice since it gives the opponent an obvious knowledge disadvantage that forces them to either cheese or play wayyyy too safe. Just my 2 cents.
User was warned for too many mimes.
AegonC
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States260 Posts
August 24 2012 01:48 GMT
#6
The fact that you say:

"The fact of the matter is if I played 50 games of ladder, I'd maybe encounter 5-10 randoms. Those 5-10 games out of 50 are not ruining your ladder experience. They are not making you a worse player, they are not completely throwing off your entire practice session. "

ruins your whole arguement. You start off by saying why it shouldn't be a hassle to play random players and then you proceed to admit that it is a hassle, but not a big one. Try to stay focused on your point.

My personal opinion is that random players should have their race announced when the game starts. There's absolutely no good reason why this shouldn't be done.
FortMonty
Profile Joined May 2012
United States63 Posts
August 29 2012 06:41 GMT
#7
On August 24 2012 10:48 AegonC wrote:


My personal opinion is that random players should have their race announced when the game starts. There's absolutely no good reason why this shouldn't be done.


Because that would defeat the purpose of playing Random in general. If anything, it would just place an unnecessary disadvantage to the random player with absolutely no positive compensation to account for the fact that we'd have to learn 9 match-ups instead of 3. It is the way it is because at the cost of having to learn 9 match-ups (Entirely different match-ups as well) we are compensated by having a slight element of surprise which ends the moment we're scouted. The only real match-up this effects somewhat drastically is the PvZ match up in which case Protoss have grown accustomed to simply doing their FFE and it would seem based on a lot of players input into these recent random threads, that appears to be the only way they know how to open vs Zerg.

I don't speak for all toss players mind you, a lot of have said "1 gate expo?", but there are a great deal who complain that it's not valid and then go on to say that randoms only know how to cheese, just a bit of a rant on my part about the hypocrites.:3
Expect Nothing, Prepare for Anything.
Cycle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States300 Posts
August 29 2012 07:56 GMT
#8
AGREED. PLAY RANDOM.

Since I started playing random my perspective of all of the matchups has changed drastically, and I personally see the game as incredibly balanced. I play macro games and I all in games too. It's nice experiencing all the aspects of the game.
| chKCycle.551 | NA | Master League Random | Checkmate Gaming |
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
GSL
09:30
2026 Season 2: Ro8 Group A
herO vs Classic
Cure vs Clem
IntoTheiNu 192
CranKy Ducklings SOOP38
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 177
Rex 11
herO (SOOP) 1
Classic 1
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 490
EffOrt 130
actioN 128
Hyun 111
Pusan 70
Liquid`Ret 53
firebathero 52
ggaemo 52
Free 43
Rush 40
[ Show more ]
NaDa 37
Hm[arnc] 35
ZerO 19
Bale 16
Movie 11
Terrorterran 10
NotJumperer 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 9
Light 0
Dota 2
Gorgc3740
XaKoH 375
NeuroSwarm113
canceldota35
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1556
shoxiejesuss909
byalli466
m0e_tv453
allub143
Other Games
ceh9587
Pyrionflax176
Mew2King151
RuFF_SC238
ZerO(Twitch)4
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL607
Other Games
gamesdonequick601
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 10
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 25
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1233
Upcoming Events
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5h 9m
Replay Cast
14h 9m
GSL
23h 39m
Maru vs SHIN
Zoun vs Rogue
WardiTV Spring Champion…
1d 2h
SKillous vs Strange
Lambo vs Strange
Ryung vs Strange
Lambo vs Ryung
Ryung vs SKillous
Lambo vs SKillous
OSC
1d 9h
Replay Cast
1d 14h
Maestros of the Game
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Lambo vs SHIN
Solar vs Rogue
herO vs Clem
Maestros of the Game
3 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
3 days
ZZZero vs WorsT
Julia vs eOnzErG
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Dragon vs Artosis
dxtr13 vs Hawk
BSL
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
6 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 21
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

2026 KK StarCraft Pro League
BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
YSL S3
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: King of Kings
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
Bounty Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.