• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:46
CEST 06:46
KST 13:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 296Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion7BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion7Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon445.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 29 Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) What is your PC setup in 2026 for SCBW/SC2 ?
Tourneys
GSL CK #5 Race War WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family
Brood War
General
Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map) BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6781 users

Why you SHOULD be playing random on ladder.

Blogs > Whitley
Post a Reply
Whitley
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States238 Posts
August 24 2012 00:03 GMT
#1
I have nothing against strictly Terran players, because I play Terran too, just not like picking Terran.

Like I choose Terran for 0 games in a row and then don't switch, and keep picking Random.

But the reason why I disagree a ton with playing 1 race is;

STOP WHINING

---------

Just think, maybe not every random player sucks. Maybe not every random player cheeses.
Maybe we do enjoy playing the macro ZvT or PvZ. Maybe we do like the whole idea of "metagame". Maybe we also just like playing random. Maybe if you're a Zerg player. You need to have an opening for ZvP, ZvT, ZvZ AND!!!! WAIT FOR IT!! WAIT FOR IT!!! ZvR!

If you still don't understand, lemme try again;

First of all random has sweet ass portraits.

It makes playing SC (for the randos), exciting, on the edge of both(me and you) of our seats cause who knows what the hell is going to happen next.

Did you ever think that by playing vs a random player could be making you a better player? Now I have ZERO proof of this theory but maybe that constant thought of "I'm about to get cheesed! OH NOS PROXY" Is keeping you on your guard. Your checking that mini map, you're scouting like a pro, your making sure that depo is getting dropped right when it needs to because if it doesn't this asshole random player is about to come flooding in with 6 lings.

Maybe not all of us want to play the "standard" and sit and gather minerals/gas for the next 25 mins and then have a 9 second battle that decides the game.

Maybe I want to throw 2 reapers at you, because why? because why not?

Maybe the next game I want to 3hatch before pool because I fucking want to. And then maybe the next game I'll open up FFE and play out a nice standard macro game.

The fact of the matter is if I played 50 games of ladder, I'd maybe encounter 5-10 randoms. Those 5-10 games out of 50 are not ruining your ladder experience. They are not making you a worse player, they are not completely throwing off your entire practice session.

Just because you got rolled up by 1-2 randoms and it was more than likely your own fault doesn't mean that you need complain to the internet that RANDOM IS SO UNFAIR and come up with all these bullshit theory's about why random shouldn't be on the ladder.

So what if it's not allowing us to be the best players possible.. So what if it makes your ladder experience 0.9% less fun because now you have to plan 1 more safe opening.


In closing...

RANDOS FOR SHANDOS!

*
D4V3Z02
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany693 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 00:18:29
August 24 2012 00:10 GMT
#2
You can play random if you want to have fun but not when you want to win. Random doesnt make you more unpredictable, just many low level people think naiv about random.

Edit: I still dont get this blog, does the thread writer suffer because people blame random player? Very Confusing.
http://www.twitch.tv/d4v3z02 all your base are belong to overlord
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
August 24 2012 00:11 GMT
#3
On August 24 2012 09:10 D4V3Z02 wrote:
You can play random if you want to have fun but not when you want to win.

I play random, have fun, and win.
Whitley
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States238 Posts
August 24 2012 00:21 GMT
#4
On August 24 2012 09:10 D4V3Z02 wrote:
Edit: I still dont get this blog, does the thread writer suffer because people blame random player? Very Confusing.


Thread writer is mostly just annoyed by the recent trend of TL threads and opponents crying about random.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
August 24 2012 00:57 GMT
#5
I like how the idea behind this post is random players wanting to play a macro game when literally playing random forces the opponent to either play incredibly safe or non-standard. I thought the popular concensus was that way considering all the posts that agree with that statement. You can't just make a contrarion opinion based solely on that as a random player compared to the people playing random who have issues with the idea of Random as a race choice since it gives the opponent an obvious knowledge disadvantage that forces them to either cheese or play wayyyy too safe. Just my 2 cents.
User was warned for too many mimes.
AegonC
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States260 Posts
August 24 2012 01:48 GMT
#6
The fact that you say:

"The fact of the matter is if I played 50 games of ladder, I'd maybe encounter 5-10 randoms. Those 5-10 games out of 50 are not ruining your ladder experience. They are not making you a worse player, they are not completely throwing off your entire practice session. "

ruins your whole arguement. You start off by saying why it shouldn't be a hassle to play random players and then you proceed to admit that it is a hassle, but not a big one. Try to stay focused on your point.

My personal opinion is that random players should have their race announced when the game starts. There's absolutely no good reason why this shouldn't be done.
FortMonty
Profile Joined May 2012
United States63 Posts
August 29 2012 06:41 GMT
#7
On August 24 2012 10:48 AegonC wrote:


My personal opinion is that random players should have their race announced when the game starts. There's absolutely no good reason why this shouldn't be done.


Because that would defeat the purpose of playing Random in general. If anything, it would just place an unnecessary disadvantage to the random player with absolutely no positive compensation to account for the fact that we'd have to learn 9 match-ups instead of 3. It is the way it is because at the cost of having to learn 9 match-ups (Entirely different match-ups as well) we are compensated by having a slight element of surprise which ends the moment we're scouted. The only real match-up this effects somewhat drastically is the PvZ match up in which case Protoss have grown accustomed to simply doing their FFE and it would seem based on a lot of players input into these recent random threads, that appears to be the only way they know how to open vs Zerg.

I don't speak for all toss players mind you, a lot of have said "1 gate expo?", but there are a great deal who complain that it's not valid and then go on to say that randoms only know how to cheese, just a bit of a rant on my part about the hypocrites.:3
Expect Nothing, Prepare for Anything.
Cycle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States300 Posts
August 29 2012 07:56 GMT
#8
AGREED. PLAY RANDOM.

Since I started playing random my perspective of all of the matchups has changed drastically, and I personally see the game as incredibly balanced. I play macro games and I all in games too. It's nice experiencing all the aspects of the game.
| chKCycle.551 | NA | Master League Random | Checkmate Gaming |
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
GSL CK #5 - Day 2
CranKy Ducklings144
EnkiAlexander 75
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft711
NeuroSwarm 208
oGsTOP 166
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 6785
GuemChi 2971
Tasteless 72
Bale 20
ZergMaN 18
Noble 8
Icarus 7
Dota 2
canceldota165
LuMiX0
Counter-Strike
summit1g8386
m0e_tv455
Other Games
JimRising 602
C9.Mang0366
Maynarde150
Nina55
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2345
BasetradeTV235
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH281
• practicex 25
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki31
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1117
• Stunt427
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
6h 14m
The PondCast
1d 5h
Replay Cast
2 days
CrankTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Dragon vs Hawk
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
5 days
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
IPSL
5 days
Bonyth vs Ret
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S3
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W3
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.