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On August 23 2012 07:09 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 13:36 Aerisky wrote:Wow that was a really depressing read  Not sure whether there's anything to be done now but it's a damn shame that that happened. I have little experience with UMS and/or mapmaking, but that sounds like an absolute nightmare ._. ^ What this guy said. Also I can't help but LOL at all the 1 post accounts...
Yes the spammers found the thread lol
It's amazing what they make up, Everybody was begging for updates and patches and now barsark is saying it's out of the "greater good for balance" that they did not update...
There is so much bullshit posted about me by the spammers and trolls on the forum. That is the biggest reason I posted this here on teamliquid. I need to clear my name, The truth is in the OP. Not on the COT forum. Or from those 1 post poster lol
-I got 7 patches done.
-I got city of tempest in the top half of the first page on the EU server.
-Up to 1.5 the version everybody was playing was the one I did.
On August 23 2012 07:16 superbarnie wrote:
I don't see how CloudWolf could have prevented this "unlawful distribution" of your map. The person(s) who have obtained the map can always upload it and share it and CloudWolf can't do anything about it. And even if these people upload their own versions of the map how does that hurt you? According to your post, they are all incompetent mapmakers so their maps don't even work. If are the "official mapmaker" of this map, then why don't you fix the map and upload it to battle.net already. The people who know whats up obviously would ignore the "fake nonworking" versions and use your "official working" version of the map.
And I must be missing something because I don't understand how the absolute and total failure of your forum is in some way causing you to be unable to maintain your map.
And I don't see why you need to exert an absolute iron grip on the maintenance and distribution of your map. Why can't you cooperate with other individuals for the betterment of society instead of stemming the flow of ideas in the bottleneck called your ability?
Cloudwolf is supporting them. He's supporting the people sharing the map. Not the person who worked on the map.
Multiple ppl have access to the account, that means if I update something, one of them can download my update and share it.
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On August 23 2012 09:22 MrTD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 07:09 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 21 2012 13:36 Aerisky wrote:Wow that was a really depressing read Not sure whether there's anything to be done now but it's a damn shame that that happened. I have little experience with UMS and/or mapmaking, but that sounds like an absolute nightmare ._. ^ What this guy said. Also I can't help but LOL at all the 1 post accounts... yeah man, if only i had a 9 million post count then i could get my opinion to actually be taken seriously. Oh wait. It means fucking nothing you dumbass.
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lala... lalalalallalalalallalalaallala :D
YOU MAKE ME SMILE lalalalallalalalLALALALALlalalALLALalalalalLALA!
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If the map is still broken I can help you guys fix it for 1.5. Please PM me under the same name on UDMod, thanks.
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LaLa i was present and accounted for when the spammer you say took over the map volunteered to help after you up and ditched everything, just like I WAS the first person to suggest that we not add the update with Mind Zero after we tried using him ourselves. I'm not making up lies to cover for anyone, the patch was full of glitches that we received from Korea and Mind zero was a bs hero in the first place.
Next thing is i dont waste my time on forums 99% of the time i only just made this account today to post on this retarded overdramatized story you've posted here. I dont spam forums and my person forum posts on any C.T. forum despite being a player on the pro scene longer than anyone else currently in NA. My personal posts on any hosted forum for C.T. can be measured with the fingers on 1 hand.
This is out of my nature but since i hold you personally accountable more than anyone else for what happened to C.T. on the NA server i couldn't help myself but post against the nonsense you're clogging TL with.
One last thing, the only people who would read this are people who are interested in city of tempest to begin with. Specifically, no one who has a shred of support for you. I'm sure even your tiny brain might have figured this out but i thought i might mention it just in case you were too distracted with whatever you perceive to be reality.
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Just wondering LaLa, what were you exactly trying to achieve by making this thread on TL?
Just shitting on UDmod? Seriously? I mean you really can't blame anything that has happened to you on them, you know? This is really childish and irresponsible of you to just go on the biggest site you could find and try to give them a bad reputation. As far as i'm concerned, as an user of their forum, they've done a pretty good job keeping things mostly in line (easy to verify, here's the link udmod )
I recognize the work you've done to help keeping the game updated. There's no denying that. You have invested time and effort in this along with SungJ. It is also true that there are some people in the community that are really obnoxious and bm most of the time, and you didn't get along with them. But saying that they were spammers that took the map from you is just plain wrong. The guys from the "pro" scene were aware of the work you did put in the game and were the first to thank you when an update was released.
Most of the people that were complaining about the long time before the patches were noobs or pubstars creating an account and complaining, not regular people playing inhouses.
As far as i recall, you completely flipped when Uriel organized a tournament with all the best players in NA, won it and asked for his name and his team's to be put on the loading screen, as it had been done for all the tournament winners before. You hate/despise Uriel, it's not a secret. You didn't do it and the whole scene got into your argument and mostly took Uriel's side.
Angry and mortified, you left without a word. Like, you never justified yourself, you just gave SungJ the map and never came on "your" forum to tell us you left.
Plice took upon himself to try and replace you. Not easy, as he was/is not familiar with mapmaking (at least not that elaborated). Somehow he got a new file from the korean mapmaker, tried to upload it but it was buggy as hell and not worth the update. Then all hell broke loose in korea and it was an epic mess until patch 1.5. Which brings us to now. The game is unplayable because since patch 1.5 the triggers are messed up and no creep is spawning AT ALL. Which, for a MOBA game is pretty problematic. But this is not UDmod's fault, again.
So you decided to try and help us again to fix the map, which i am thankful for. This effort was generally well received, even though your few messages about this were quite bitter (like "It's hilarious, Even if I don't care about C.T anymore, I'm still more useful at keeping it alive than all of you together." really nice). I don't see how in a few days you came from trying to help getting the game back on track to move the forums away (for where, anyway? and for who, seeing as the game is dead?) and shit on UDmod.
This is beyond my understanding really.
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On August 23 2012 11:25 Barsark wrote:
LaLa i was present and accounted for when the spammer you say took over the map volunteered to help after you up and ditched everything, just like I WAS the first person to suggest that we not add the update with Mind Zero after we tried using him ourselves. I'm not making up lies to cover for anyone, the patch was full of glitches that we received from Korea and Mind zero was a bs hero in the first place.
Next thing is i dont waste my time on forums 99% of the time i only just made this account today to post on this retarded overdramatized story you've posted here. I dont spam forums and my person forum posts on any C.T. forum despite being a player on the pro scene longer than anyone else currently in NA. My personal posts on any hosted forum for C.T. can be measured with the fingers on 1 hand.
This is out of my nature but since i hold you personally accountable more than anyone else for what happened to C.T. on the NA server i couldn't help myself but post against the nonsense you're clogging TL with.
One last thing, the only people who would read this are people who are interested in city of tempest to begin with. Specifically, no one who has a shred of support for you. I'm sure even your tiny brain might have figured this out but i thought i might mention it just in case you were too distracted with whatever you perceive to be reality.
There's not a single mention of mind zero in the patch thread... Also, I did many patches... Mind zero would have had no key binds... How did you managed to make him look OP with only your mouse??
All the spammers were making threads about me being not needed and that I should leave. I did not abandon COT.
No No annako, that's not what happened
First of all, I'm the person who put Uriel's VODS in the loading screen, His name his ALREADY THERE! So right there this is bullshit.
Here what happened about the tournament. Sungj talked about having another one. I said it was a bad timing and that we should try to get a NA vs EU vs KR mini tournament. EVERY SINGLE PERSON AGREED.
Proof: http://www.udmod.com/showthread.php?2355-About-inviting-korean-teams-to-boa4
I think a NA vs EU vs KR tournament would be a better idea than boa4
the NA c.t pub is not at it's best right now. and EU too want a tourny but can't get any pubber to join.
getting 4 or 5 inhouse team per region shouldn't be too hard
I think we should wait for a big patch or two before doing another boa tournament.
Now you guys were not able to set it up and instead had a little tournament between yourself (at the last minute). That's what happened. There was never any plan for a NA tournament in the first place. That's why you guys got mad at me and wanted me to leave.
If you guys would have had a cross server tournament, I would have put the winners and replays on the loading screen because that would be a good thing and would get ppl interested. But that never happened, instead you guys had a 3 teams tournament between yourselves.
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LaLa got the game to the top of the page? LOL
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having a youtube channel doesn't equate to having winners rights.
And again Lala, your job wasn't to decide what to change the map/loading screen with. That was sungj's job. you just implement what he says. But, you got all uppity and tried to seize power or something....
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Lala, your actions do not reflect the c.o.t. community as a whole, nor do they reflect Cloudwolf's site. UDmod is a project hosting site which does not revolve around c.o.t. Many mapmakers have had excellent success in a partnership. You downplay UDmod as a whole, which is unacceptable. It is in your part to regrettably deny further interest in c.o.t., thus the lack of faith the community gives towards you.
What exactly is wrong with giving publishing ownership of a map to another person who has a possibility of fixing the map? You have left the c.t. community and you are irrelevant towards other actions put into progressing the map as a whole. Your decision means nothing.
Lala is a laughing stock of all mapmakers and should not be given any more attention whatsoever.
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LALA was never a mapmaker and doesn't deserve to have that title. He was a map patcher, at best.
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We're getting off topic here.
The fact is: The UMS map city of tempest is being freely given to anybody asking on the forum without permission of anybody who worked on the map (and I'm talking about the koreans here not me), and CloudWolf is not doing anything about it.
Here's another fact: There's about 7 ppl total who have the map on NA and 0 of them can fix the map.
But from what I heard the KR server is already fixed.
This is hurting the city of tempest PLAYERS because a group of spammers are sharing a map. It could already be fixed if they would not have spit on the korean map maker kindness to share the map with us.
And theses spammer are trying to blame me. I did nothing wrong and what they are posting is unimportant drama.
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I've been involved with UDMod before and I've always had a lot of respect for what CloudWolf has done and achieved. That and bobbeh's attitude makes me highly dubious of the veracity of bobbeh's statements. Having said that, I find it odd that somehow these "spammers" have managed to get hold of an opened version of the map; bobbeh, by your own admission they don't know much about mapping. So it is also unlikely that they would be able to rebuild the map MPQ themselves. Therefore, one of the existing map owners, such as yourself, would presumably have given them a copy of the map. What results from that gift is in many respects on your own back.
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On August 23 2012 20:01 Birdie wrote:
I've been involved with UDMod before and I've always had a lot of respect for what CloudWolf has done and achieved. That and bobbeh's attitude makes me highly dubious of the veracity of bobbeh's statements. Having said that, I find it odd that somehow these "spammers" have managed to get hold of an opened version of the map; bobbeh, by your own admission they don't know much about mapping. So it is also unlikely that they would be able to rebuild the map MPQ themselves. Therefore, one of the existing map owners, such as yourself, would presumably have given them a copy of the map. What results from that gift is in many respects on your own back.
What? That's not how it work. And they are openly talking about who has the map and who gave it to who on the UDmod forum.
Go read yourself. They are doing it so openly that I could make you a graph of who gave what to who.
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The map isn't given to anybody asking for it, that was just an idea plice suggested as he was aware that he didn't know enough to fix it himself. The only people in NA with access to the map are you, SungJ, plice and matt. That's it. And plice and matt are in direct relation with sungJ, skype regularly and have been recognized as trustworthy. It's not like the map was just shared with half the community.
And what about talking openly of who has the map? What should UDmod do about it? I don't see the logical relation between the two. The map is broken right now, and they are trying their best to get it fixed. It's not simple, so they are getting desperate. Why are you coming here to start all this drama?
Finally there's no relation between 3 (2? sungj hasn't been active in a while) people having access to the map and the fact that the fixed korean map hasn't been brought to NA/EU. The city of tempest players aren't hurting BECAUSE 2 people are trying to fix the map without your approbation. This is beyond ridiculous.
SungJ being away, only chris is able to be somewhat of a contact with the koreans (and even then, i didn't hear about him for quite some time either). So you're a pretty good drama queen, but in these conditions, you wouldn't be able to fix the map either.
Basically, now all you're good at is bitching and i'm not even sure why you're even doing so because you said yourself, you've lost all interest in C.T
And i still don't get why you even started this thread in the first place.
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Anakko, KrK gave me the map back in the beginning of the year and i have tried to fix it since then. I however haven't done anything wrong with it and very few people even know I have it.
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I don't think that it is "very few" anymore :p
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you're right, i should have said knew xD
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who is mr td? imtd/capslock?
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