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This is the story of how Cloudwolf and UDmod completely trashed the UMS map City of tempest. That is quite a feat because Cloudwolf has absolutely nothing to do with city of tempest.
A long time ago I contacted the Korean map maker in charge of city of tempest, and because he was being lazy with updating NA and EU, I asked him if I could help him with patching NA and EU so that he can focus on his work and so that NA and EU servers can have regular updates. He said yes.
If you have played city of tempest on NA or EU from the last 4 month of 2011 up to patch 1.5. It's mostly thanks to me and the generosity of the korean map maker who was willing to share the map with me.
Now for a while we were on a free forum but due to the total lack of moderation for a short while, it got filled with spam pretty quickly, and when we finally had some moderation, an EU mod tried to clean it a bit but it was to the point of no return. And that's where we got an offer from UDmod to become a hosted project over there. This is the part where Cloudwolf lured city of tempest with candy into his van.
When we started on UDmod, we doubled the moderation. City of Tempest is a MOBA game after all, and we all know what kind of ppl MOBA games can attract. We needed better moderation. All started well, off topic conversation in guides were removed. Threads/post about insulting ppl were removed. Etc.. Etc.. You know, basic moderation like any popular forum would do.
But this is where the nightmare starts... Guess who did not like the new moderation?? The spammers and shit talkers! So they started to spam more. They created fake accounts to spam the forum. Made threads about the moderation. Made drama out of anything and everything.
So I asked Cloud wolf to give me the ability to block ppl from posting in my forum. Well he never did that. Actually he told me that UDmod never had to ban anybody until now (yep udmod is that unpopular...) and that I should talk and come to an arrangement with the spammers.....
Well they spammed more and more and more and created even more drama and started asking for stuff or telling me to leave and that they did not need me and some other stuff....
So I deleted that spam too. And now this is the most hilarious part of all this, The next day Cloudwolf removed my admin. Yup... Cloudwolf removed the ADMIN of the main person behind the UMS map he host... To give his forum to spammers...
When the spammers saw that, they spammed even more! And Cloudwolf kept telling me to come to an arrangement and discuss things with them...
There was so much spam that I could not even post on my own forum. A single post made by me would turn that thread into 8 pages of spam.
So since my choices here was to either work for spammers and have to endure the stupidity of CloudWolf or simply leave. I left. It was impossible to find another forum with all the spam.
But that is not all. That is only Part 1. This is old stuff, date back to march. I did not care or wanted to cause any drama, I just left without a sound.
Part 1 TL:DR
+ Show Spoiler +CloudWolf Lured me in UDmod with candy
When we got spam problem Cloudwolf did not give me the ability to get rid of them, He told me to talk to spammers....
There was so much spam that Cloudwolf solution was to REMOVE MY ADMIN to calm down the spammers to have a discussion with them...
The spammers spammed more and more and more
There was so much spam that I could not post on my own forum anymore, So me, the guy who did all the patches and fixes and got city of tempest on NA and EU... had to leave because Cloudwolf does not want to ban spammers....
 
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Part 2
Since I left, the translator who I used to work with because the map was in korean, gave the map to one of the spammers..... because they were friends...
Well guess what? Spammers don't make very good map maker lol, He did not get a single patch, the game to this day is still running on the last patch I did. Actually all he did was update the map THIRTY TIMES to change a loading screen and that's it. Loading screen which he STOLE from me and from the korean community and photoshopped over. Which last time I checked is copyright infringment but oh well, like spammers care about that.
But this is not all he did. When 1.5 came, City of tempest broke. and since he could not get a single update done, he had no clue what to do to fix 1.5. So he did the only thing a spammer could think of and posted on the forum that he will give the map to anyone asking in hope that someone can fix it!
How does a spammer thanks the korean map maker for being nice enough to share the map with us?? He fucking give it to anybody asking!!
So to this day about 3 or 4 ppl have city of tempest.... And whats hilarious is that none of them could fix anything and city of tempest is still broken...
What about the forum?? Well it's filled with the same 8 spammers that made me leave in the first place, actually they are the only ppl posting in there. Everybody left except the spammers. Every now and then somebody makes the error of posting in there, but usually they reach about 5 post and never post there again because of all the spam.
Now the reason I make this blog is simple, I asked CloudWolf to remove City of Tempest from UDmod. But he refused. All the ppl who like city of tempest, when they post on the forum they get insulted and spammed by the same ppl. I dont want that. Also, Cloudwolf is making ad money from city of tempest, Since city of tempest is much more popular than all of UDmod put together. Also one of the condition of joining UDmod was that we could leave whenever we wanted. A condition which he just broke now.
Not only that but it seem that UDmod admins don't care if somebody share a map that is not his. I tried to contact UDmod admin to tell them to warn them about sharing the map. But nope they don't care.... A community about making map that does not care if ppl share others ppl work....
Really right now the forum has 2 uses, spam and ad money for cloudwolf. And I want that to stop for obvious reason. All the genuine city of tempest players gets trashed everytime they post on the forum. There's only trolling and insults.
So this was the story of me having to deal with CloudWolf and UDmod. Don't accept the candy, Don't get in the UDmod van.
PART 2 TL:DR
+ Show Spoiler +The translator gave the map to one of the spammers... because they were friends...
City of tempest did not get patched ONCE since I left.
When 1.5 came the spammer GAVE the map to anybody asking because he could not fix anything. A map that is not his, it's the work of a couple of korean map maker. They were nice enough to share it with us so that we could play....
The forum is filled with spammers now and nobody post there except spammers.
Cloudwolf won't remove city of tempest from UDmod even when he said I could leave whenever I wanted.
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I wonder what ever happened to Blizzards ivory tower soapbox that they were going to protect mapmakers? That people wouldn't be able to download and rehost maps under their names?
Looks like it didn't work. Sorry you had your efforts wasted but I'm sure a lot of people had fun while it lasted and that's all that should be important.
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Yeah I guess
But it sucks for ppl who liked city of tempest. There was not a single update in 4 month because Cloudwolf listens to the same spammers...
There's not a single new regular member on the forum since I left.. Not a single one. And pretty much all regulars have left a month after they understood that those ppl were just spammers and nothing good will ever come out of those ppl.
Yet even after all this, Cloudwolf is STILL talking to the spammers and taking their opinions seriously...
They have done nothing but chase away everybody.
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bobbeh who are you known as in CT? is it LALA????
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Wow that was a really depressing read 
Not sure whether there's anything to be done now but it's a damn shame that that happened. I have little experience with UMS and/or mapmaking, but that sounds like an absolute nightmare ._.
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On August 21 2012 13:31 After-Life wrote:
bobbeh who are you known as in CT? is it LALA????
Yes I know you, You play on the EU server.
On August 21 2012 13:36 Aerisky wrote:Wow that was a really depressing read Not sure whether there's anything to be done now but it's a damn shame that that happened. I have little experience with UMS and/or mapmaking, but that sounds like an absolute nightmare ._.
Oh if I can get a billion views and ten thousands replies I'll be happy.
At least others won't make the same mistake.
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Hi all 
CW here, figured I'd register an account over here to add a little clarity to the post.
UDMod is an SC2 mappping community which hosts a number of SC2 projects. We're a non-profit site who offer free forums to SC2 projects simply because we're very passionate about mapping and enjoy assisting the mapping community.
We offered a spot on our site to the CoT community who decided to accept the offer and join us. Theres absolutely no contract when joining UDMod and projects are entitled to move away from the site whenever they please. Projects are also given access to our site's designers who have created a series of graphics and promotional material for the project at no cost.
We currently host the subforum at: http://cot.udmod.com/
LALA put in a request yesterday for CoT to leave the forums, which we have the full intention of honouring. However, rather than simply removing the forums with no notice, I've announed to the community that CoT will be moving away, and that I'll be updating them on the location of CoT's new home.
Considering the abuse which has thrown our way by the CoT leader, we're acting very professional in this matter. We've offered to keep the CoT forums operational until a new home has been sorted out so that any new CoT fan who comes across the forums are aware of the situation and can be directed to the new official site.
Once the new site has been established, I plan to add a banner to our site to inform the community that we are no longer the official site. This should also help to direct anyone arriving at UDMod by accident to the relevant location. In a nut shell, we're going out of our way to ensure the smooth transfer of the community so that no members are lost. This is standard procedure for us when a project moves away.
We're currently awaiting the URL for CoT's new home so that we can update everyone and get user's transfered over rather than leaving them in the dark.
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Now, onto this topic regarding admin rights
At UDMod, we have a very regulated policy when it comes to moderating posts. Project leaders are of course given moderation priveleges to their sub-forum, provided they do a reasonable job.
LALA was given these priveleges and retained them for several months. However, it became apparent that threads were being removed for unjustified reasons. I.e. simply because the moderator disliked the user who posted them.
I had many discussions with LALA regarding this, and attempted to convey our moderation policy giving several opportunities to straighten things out. However, due to repeated instances of malpractice we removed moderator rights for this user. As a community, we also have to protect our status as a respectable modding community where users are treated fairly regardless of their views.
I also believe our intepretation of the word "spammer" is somewhat different. If a user has an opinion which you do not agree with, we do not consider this spam. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
A spammer would be someone who posts a large quantity of un-related messages. We did have a few instances of spam from a user named macanas who was eventually banned for repeated offences so we do take spam seriously.
What we do not do as a community, is ban people simply because they have a different view which is what was requested on a number of occasions. This is not the kind of community we aim to be. If it is a crime to run a community where peoples opinions are respected, then UDMod is guilty as charged 
It's important to note that LALA's only had his moderator priveleges retracted. He still had full access to the site, and was still considered the project leader and lead contact for the project. He also has the ability to post news articles to our home page which is a feature we only give to projects whom we completely trust.
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Next up, the accusation that UDMod "trashed" the map
As a site, our role is to supply forums for sc2 projects.
We have no say or involvement in the map's development. We cannot be held responsible for issues with the CoT map and it is up to the map creator to fix bugs and issues. If a project leader decides to discontinue the map, it is their own choice. We are not responsible for the continued development of the map. If the current version of CoT is unstable, it is up to the project team to fix it.
If another player has picked up the map without your permission, this is also not our responsibility. A project leader cannot expect UDMod to regulate battle.net. This is an issue for yourself or Blizzard to resolve with those who have breached the alleged copyright.
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Finally, the point regarding our income
UDMod is a non-profit site. We do host a single banner at the top of the site, however, this generates income of about £10 a month which does not even cover our hosting hosts. We simply do not profit from our hosted projects.
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Just to finish, we're really keen to help CoT find a new home and look forward to helping with the transfer.
@bobbeh, if you require a copy of the graphics we've generated in the past, just let me know and I'll forward these over to you for future use
We will of course disband the CoT forums on UDMod as agreed once a new home for CoT has been established and players are aware of the change.
However, in the event that no new home for CoT has been organised, we will continue to host the forums as a form of unofficial CoT fansite and will re-brand the forums accordingly. Theres simply no sense in destroying the CoT community because the project leader no longer wishes to continue the map.
Thanks for reading all
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Ok so I don’t really want to get involved in this but...
1. LALA was the first guy to start promoting us to change to UDmod but we did change as a community so to demand the forum being changed is a bit ridicules.
2. LALA was, is and will always be a part of CoT with him and SungJ’s help we have enjoyed CoT for a long time. I really think that there was just too much trolling going on and it just got out of control.
3. So let’s build a bridge and get over it join the forum again LALA and let’s put the past in the past. At the end of the day we all have off days. But if you insist of changing the forum I think it’s up to the community to decide.
Ps for all the guys that don’t know LALA he was one of the best CoT players in NA when he was playing so I think it’s time to return and kick some asssssssssssssssss. And stop forum fights
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Happy to go forward with this if you want to give UDMod another shot, with moderator rights again.
We're by no means shutting the door If you fancy rejoining, we're still here to create graphics for the project if you need them.
Alternatively, we're happy to move the CoT forums away if that is your preference. You are the project leader after all. Just let me know either way.
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Here's some proof, Those are emails sent when an admin report a post. Those emails date back to january, about a day after we moved to UDmod.
Two different 3rd party admin from udmod reported ppl in my forum.
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That was DAYS after we moved to UDmod. It took them 2 days to want them gone. Must have been personal too! ha! Yet I only started to want them banned in march because they would simply not change.
Here's a fact: While I was an admin, 100% of the reported post by admin were in MY FORUM.
Here's a random story of how CloudWolf handle things: At one point a spammer created a fake accout, the name of that account was a penis drawing... that account started posting racist crap on the forum. So I did my evil admin and removed his post. To this day the penis drawing acount is still not banned. Actually, Cloudwolf did not even edit the name until I told him to do so. CloudWolf is an amateur.
A spammer would be someone who posts a large quantity of un-related messages. We did have a few instances of spam from a user named macanas who was eventually banned for repeated offences so we do take spam seriously.
Macanas is not banned
http://www.udmod.com/member.php?1622-Macanass
He has 96 post....
He has more post than I do... On my very own forum. CloudWolf at work here.
Ok so I don’t really want to get involved in this but...
1. LALA was the first guy to start promoting us to change to UDmod but we did change as a community so to demand the forum being changed is a bit ridicules.
2. LALA was, is and will always be a part of CoT with him and SungJ’s help we have enjoyed CoT for a long time. I really think that there was just too much trolling going on and it just got out of control.
3. So let’s build a bridge and get over it join the forum again LALA and let’s put the past in the past. At the end of the day we all have off days. But if you insist of changing the forum I think it’s up to the community to decide.
Ps for all the guys that don’t know LALA he was one of the best CoT players in NA when he was playing so I think it’s time to return and kick some asssssssssssssssss. And stop forum fights
But that is impossible now, SungJ left a while ago. EVERYBODY LEFT. The community consist of 2 EU players, 3 NA players and 5 spammers.
Multiple ppl have access to the map and accounts. You can't go back in time. Cloudwolf screwed up badly.
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Apologies in advance to the TL community that this has spilled over here. This isn't really your issue to deal with 
Regardless of how you feel LALA, we're still happy to help you transfer the community away from UDMod as we totally respect that you are the project owner. I'm not here to argue the details surrounding our moderation policy as I feel we did an adequate job protecting our users from being banned un-justly. It is not a crime to have an alternative opinion. We dealt with real spammers by banning their accounts. Unfortunately, as we live in a world of dynamic IP addresses, we cannot prevent a user for re-registering under a different name.
And yes, I am an amateur. The definition of which is "a person who engages in a pursuit on an unpaid basis". UDMod is a non-profit community so this is absolutely correct. None of us get paid, we simply enjoy SC2 mapping.
If you can let me know the URL of CoT's new home, I'll ensure the CoT community is aware of the change so that your existing fan-base will not be lost.
Alternatively, the offer still stands if you would like to take another shot at moderating the CoT forums on UDMod.
Just let me know either way.
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It's not like anyone on TL gives a fuck about LALA's bullshit whining over a game he did nothing for, yet thinks when he abuses his mod power everyone should still listen to him.
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CloudWolf removed your admin on the users demand.
I see all the posts Iron deleted, most of the "spam" (maybe you should look that word up too) got deleted. The only thread I have in mind is the upset of the winners of the tournament, because you denied them their prize (their names on the loading screen). Maybe you should mention that.
Even if udmod would make a lot of money from ads through ct, where is the problem? Its their goddamn right!
The fact that you wanted to delete the forum behind our backs, and im sure you dont have another forum where everyone could go to, is just pathetic. This thread is ridiculous and it should be deleted.
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Why does LALA think he has some god given right to control everything about City of Tempest. It's not his. Simply put. It is not in any context or given situation his map to have control over. It's embarrassing how disgustingly arrogant this post is.
EDIT: And this is also absurd.
When 1.5 came the spammer GAVE the map to anybody asking because he could not fix anything. A map that is not his, it's the work of a couple of korean map maker. They were nice enough to share it with us so that we could play....
The forum is filled with spammers now and nobody post there except spammers.
Cloudwolf won't remove city of tempest from UDmod even when he said I could leave whenever I wanted.
The "spammer" (Matt? because hes not. At all.) gave the map to one person. SUNGJ himself gave the map to people. And he didnt give to to "anybody" and its not some wild west full of "spammers". You need a reality check.
And you're acting like the map is yours. It's not. at all.
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I'm probably the longest running member of the C.T. pro community and to be completely honest LaLa/bobbeh, or whatever you want to be called, The Korean version was actually rolled back to a patch before Geist was a playable Character. Basically its openly acknowledged that any patches for a long time were mistakes and actually helped RUIN the game instead of helping it so the patches being negleted are not a big deal. As a side note to that the pro community decided it was best not to go further after the creation of a Hero called Mind Zero who's game mechanics were way too imbalanced in the first place.
But even if it wasn't deliberate that patches were ignored, the person who took over after you was not a spammer but a volunteer who loves the game and didnt want the community to suffer after YOU decided to up and abandon the community without so much as a word to anyone at all about it.
You left the C.T. community and abandoned everything as if it were none of your concern so to be posting this here like you actually have some kind of right to or that you're actually even considered not just a member but an IMPORTANT member of the C.T. community in NA all together Also so far beyond laughable that i can only assume that this thread was made in some kind of hallucinated drunken rage.
I can honestly speak for the entire modern C.T. community when i say you have no right to even think in your seemingly disfunctional brain that you have any place there anymore. More than 90% of current C.T. players are not even familiar with your name since you abandoned this so long ago.
If you want to blame any specific person for the way that the game turned out here then anyone with the smallest amount of insight would be able to see that without you abandoning the community then nothing like this would have happened in the first place.
Anyway just wanted to clarify to anyone who actually reads your rant and believes, that you were not wronged in any way shape or form but instead you were the person who threw C.T. away and if anyone else in control of it after you destroyed it you dont have any right to complain about someone who picked up something you discarded like a piece of trash on the ground.
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On August 21 2012 13:36 Aerisky wrote:Wow that was a really depressing read Not sure whether there's anything to be done now but it's a damn shame that that happened. I have little experience with UMS and/or mapmaking, but that sounds like an absolute nightmare ._.
^ What this guy said.
Also I can't help but LOL at all the 1 post accounts...
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I don't see how CloudWolf could have prevented this "unlawful distribution" of your map. The person(s) who have obtained the map can always upload it and share it and CloudWolf can't do anything about it. And even if these people upload their own versions of the map how does that hurt you? According to your post, they are all incompetent mapmakers so their maps don't even work. If are the "official mapmaker" of this map, then why don't you fix the map and upload it to battle.net already. The people who know whats up obviously would ignore the "fake nonworking" versions and use your "official working" version of the map.
And I must be missing something because I don't understand how the absolute and total failure of your forum is in some way causing you to be unable to maintain your map.
And I don't see why you need to exert an absolute iron grip on the maintenance and distribution of your map. Why can't you cooperate with other individuals for the betterment of society instead of stemming the flow of ideas in the bottleneck called your ability?
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On August 23 2012 07:09 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 13:36 Aerisky wrote:Wow that was a really depressing read Not sure whether there's anything to be done now but it's a damn shame that that happened. I have little experience with UMS and/or mapmaking, but that sounds like an absolute nightmare ._. ^ What this guy said. Also I can't help but LOL at all the 1 post accounts...
yeah man, if only i had a 9 million post count then i could get my opinion to actually be taken seriously. Oh wait. It means fucking nothing you dumbass.
User was warned for this post
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