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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4216 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 18:49:40
August 17 2012 18:49 GMT
#1
So I stumbled upon something that a lot of people on TL may appreciate. As someone who is studying engineering, I am absolutely thrilled by this (I'm studying civil, so it's not the same, but I can definitely appreciate the work that went into this). It is a new design of bicycle helmets. Invisible bicycle helmets.

Don't believe me? Check out this video.

http://vimeo.com/43038579

And then check out this link.

http://www.hovding.com/en/how/











































I noticed your jaw has dropped. You can close your mouth now.

All I know is that I used to be an avid cyclist, and have been seriously thinking about getting a new bike. This, while pricey, looks absolutely fantastic. And it's only the first generation of this type of helmet. Future generations will be superior in virtually every way.

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CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
August 17 2012 19:11 GMT
#2
Super disappointed. I was expecting cloaking technology...
English
Profile Joined April 2010
United States475 Posts
August 17 2012 19:17 GMT
#3
It's a little misleading since it can also be called an airbag helmet. Still a cool concept, but was hoping it could apply to motorcycle safety as well (maybe it still can).
Kyrillion
Profile Joined August 2011
Russian Federation748 Posts
August 17 2012 19:17 GMT
#4
Interesting, albeit I don't mind wearing a classic helmet.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 19:29:57
August 17 2012 19:25 GMT
#5
I watched this earlier this week. I have several complaints with it.

1. Helmets are ugly. Well fuck, so is this thing. In the middle of summer, would you rather wear a breathing helmet or a scarf? Maybe it allows substantial airflow, but it certainly doesn't look like it. I guess it looks nicer, so it succeeds on that front, but I wouldn't necessarily say helmets are uncomfortable.

2. It adds an unnecessary control system. Even if the springing system is mechanical (no electronic controls), there is still a trigger. A helmet is static, it will never operate improperly if worn correctly. Having a triggering system complicates a simple existing solution. What if it's misaligned? What if it's worn backwards? What if it fires mistakenly while you're still riding? What if it doesn't fire?

Do you notice that they never removed the seatbelt when they designed the air bag? That's because all (good) safety systems have two independent controls. In systems that only have one, static safety controls are almost always prefered to dynamic ones because almost nothing can go wrong. If I throw foam at the ground, it's going to do what it always does. But this thing has added a new level of complexity.

3. You can reuse a helmet, like a seatbelt. I really doubt this thing is reuseable since it's charged.

As an engineer, I had the opposite reaction. This thing is contrived and is unnecessarily complex. You are replacing a safer, simpler design with a more complex, less effective one. Effectiveness is based on chance of success / failure. If this thing is proven to protect your head / neck better, then you could make a case for it.
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n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
August 17 2012 19:38 GMT
#6
Who the fuck every said creating an invisible bike helmet was impossible? God, that video was hard to sit through, you made a personal airbag not a god damn rocket ship
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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4216 Posts
August 17 2012 19:48 GMT
#7
On August 18 2012 04:25 Chill wrote:
I watched this earlier this week. I have several complaints with it.

1. Helmets are ugly. Well fuck, so is this thing. In the middle of summer, would you rather wear a breathing helmet or a scarf? Maybe it allows substantial airflow, but it certainly doesn't look like it. I guess it looks nicer, so it succeeds on that front, but I wouldn't necessarily say helmets are uncomfortable.

I don't find helmets uncomfortable at all either. But how about someone who wears a turban, or some other kind of head-dress, which will basically prevent a traditional bike helmet from working properly? This also could be used in many other ways - imagine the head rests of your car having these built in, so that if you get into an accident, they cover your head separately from the traditional airbag? How about the same for airplanes? Or how about for motorcyclists?

2. It adds an unnecessary control system. Even if the springing system is mechanical (no electronic controls), there is still a trigger. A helmet is static, it will never operate improperly if worn correctly. Having a triggering system complicates a simple existing solution. What if it's misaligned? What if it's worn backwards? What if it fires mistakenly while you're still riding? What if it doesn't fire?

Do you notice that they never removed the seatbelt when they designed the air bag? That's because all (good) safety systems have two independent controls. In systems that only have one, static safety controls are almost always prefered to dynamic ones because almost nothing can go wrong. If I throw foam at the ground, it's going to do what it always does. But this thing has added a new level of complexity.

I fully agree here. I'm hoping that they don't have a single trigger function for this thing. Also, you can say the thing about a bicycle helmet being worn backwards, or being compromised in some other way without you being able to see it (such as defects in the foam material).

3. You can reuse a helmet, like a seatbelt. I really doubt this thing is reuseable since it's charged.

You aren't supposed to re-use a helmet after an accident. The foam material on the inside can become compromised from a single accident, and it is recommended to replace afterwards for that reason.

As an engineer, I had the opposite reaction. This thing is contrived and is unnecessarily complex. You are replacing a safer, simpler design with a more complex, less effective one. Effectiveness is based on chance of success / failure. If this thing is proven to protect your head / neck better, then you could make a case for it.

I know I'd like to see more information about this as well. This has already been certified as a safe helmet in the EU, so I'd have to assume that it has passed the same standardized tests that a traditional bicycle helmet has passed. It may not be as safe as a traditional helmet currently is, and it looks bulky, however, I'm sure that there will be significant improvements in the future, if this product catches on.
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G_G
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada178 Posts
August 17 2012 19:49 GMT
#8
What exactly is invisible about it? If that counts as invisible, then every collapsible umbrella is an invisible water shield. Also, I have to wonder how much protection it really gives.

There are so many accidents where the helmet is left in pieces, and the rider still has head injuries. Without a good helmet, it would have been their skull that ends up in pieces. I would never trust this thing, especially with the points Chill made.
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
August 17 2012 19:54 GMT
#9
....uh....so my major question is how exactly are they considering the sustainability of this device? It's a cute idea, but in cars once an airbag is deployed it needs to be replaced. No way in hell I'm gonna replace my 'bike helmet', or sensors, or whatever every time it's deployed. Also, for offroad bikers or downhill competitors this idea is batshit crazy in how certain falls can occur (sustained or sequential impacts from falling down a hill).
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 20:09:37
August 17 2012 20:07 GMT
#10
On August 18 2012 04:48 Impervious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 04:25 Chill wrote:
I watched this earlier this week. I have several complaints with it.

1. Helmets are ugly. Well fuck, so is this thing. In the middle of summer, would you rather wear a breathing helmet or a scarf? Maybe it allows substantial airflow, but it certainly doesn't look like it. I guess it looks nicer, so it succeeds on that front, but I wouldn't necessarily say helmets are uncomfortable.

I don't find helmets uncomfortable at all either. But how about someone who wears a turban, or some other kind of head-dress, which will basically prevent a traditional bike helmet from working properly? This also could be used in many other ways - imagine the head rests of your car having these built in, so that if you get into an accident, they cover your head separately from the traditional airbag? How about the same for airplanes? Or how about for motorcyclists?

Show nested quote +
2. It adds an unnecessary control system. Even if the springing system is mechanical (no electronic controls), there is still a trigger. A helmet is static, it will never operate improperly if worn correctly. Having a triggering system complicates a simple existing solution. What if it's misaligned? What if it's worn backwards? What if it fires mistakenly while you're still riding? What if it doesn't fire?

Do you notice that they never removed the seatbelt when they designed the air bag? That's because all (good) safety systems have two independent controls. In systems that only have one, static safety controls are almost always prefered to dynamic ones because almost nothing can go wrong. If I throw foam at the ground, it's going to do what it always does. But this thing has added a new level of complexity.

I fully agree here. I'm hoping that they don't have a single trigger function for this thing. Also, you can say the thing about a bicycle helmet being worn backwards, or being compromised in some other way without you being able to see it (such as defects in the foam material).

Show nested quote +
3. You can reuse a helmet, like a seatbelt. I really doubt this thing is reuseable since it's charged.

You aren't supposed to re-use a helmet after an accident. The foam material on the inside can become compromised from a single accident, and it is recommended to replace afterwards for that reason.

Show nested quote +
As an engineer, I had the opposite reaction. This thing is contrived and is unnecessarily complex. You are replacing a safer, simpler design with a more complex, less effective one. Effectiveness is based on chance of success / failure. If this thing is proven to protect your head / neck better, then you could make a case for it.

I know I'd like to see more information about this as well. This has already been certified as a safe helmet in the EU, so I'd have to assume that it has passed the same standardized tests that a traditional bicycle helmet has passed. It may not be as safe as a traditional helmet currently is, and it looks bulky, however, I'm sure that there will be significant improvements in the future, if this product catches on.

1. The FAQ specifically says it cannot be used for any application outside of bicycles. Yes, maybe further development will lead to further applications, but you can say that about anything.
2. It's very difficult to wear a helmet backwards. Even if you do, a backwards helmet still functions better than a backwards this thing.
3. The cool thing about a helmet is that there are varying severities of accidents. You can decide after a slight bump if your helmet truly needs to be replaced or not (even though you are correct, if used properly they should always be replaced after an accident). You can't do that with this thing.

The FAQ says it's quite light (<1kg) which is cool.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-17 20:23:54
August 17 2012 20:23 GMT
#11
I dunno, I kinda like having my neck free while biking. I personally don't find helmets restrictive or unfashionable at all, whereas this... it looks a bit weird.

Also, although I'm sure it's designed to not fail, it MIGHT. Helmet stays on your head since it's strapped on, and no malfunction can cause it to stop being a helmet.

It'd be cool to try out, i guess, and in fact it looks like it might be safer/more comfortable than a helmet but what are you gonna do eh? I see some old people walking around with helmets sometimes cause they might fall while they go for their walk, I bet they'd like this much better, I could see it selling well.
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Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
August 17 2012 21:47 GMT
#12
I think the big thing that may appeal to some is that for some people, it's not "cool" to go around with a bike helmet. Say you're a student and use a bike on campus, are you gonna wear a helmet then carry around the helmet after you get inside whatever building you're going to? Maybe not. I know most people I see biking on my college campus don't have helmets, and for some at least, the "style" issue could be a big reason for not wearing one.

With the "invisible helmet" though, you could use the collar thing as a fashion accessory if you wanted. Make it so it looks good, and wear it all the time. I agree, though, there needs to be a way to reuse it more easily. If it's like a car airbag, it would be really hard to reuse.
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1709 Posts
August 17 2012 22:10 GMT
#13
It amuses me that people make such arguments for helmets and how this could compromise their safety. What people fail to see almost every time, is that the evidence for helmets actually being any good is inconclusive, at best. My father was recently on a TV program in which he brought forth statistics, tests, and scientific arguments for why cycle helmets do not, overall, make cyclists safer on the road. His opposition literally said "forget science- helmets must work".

If this can be of any provable everyday use, it's already better than traditional cycle helmets. People being worried that it may not be as effective as a traditional helmet- you can stop worrying. As far as we can conclusively tell, your helmet does very little for you already.
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MisterD
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1338 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-18 00:45:53
August 18 2012 00:42 GMT
#14
why the fuck did they have to make the video this annoying, its 2 minutes stupid teasing and throwing irrational arguments around (cf. "cars are so yesterday, biking is the future" and cut to a scene of the two girls riding exactly two bikes through a parking lot of 1000 cars, or later like "everyone says women cant invent technical stuff" ... and so the fact that they did it now means it's an even better improvement or what?) my jaw hasn't dropped, in fact i started skipping a bit further all the time once i got too annoyed of them not getting to the point.

So they invented a sort of airbag scarf that replaces helmets.. funny idea, sure, but i feel like the hype is maybe a *little* bit overdone. The reliability of this thing will be the most crucial issue though, you basically make an electrical system a single point of failure. If that thing runs out of juice, you are 100% unprotected. Even airplanes can glide to some degree without power, seat belts still work without power, helmets do as well. This thing sure doesn't, seems kinda unhealthy. But hey, more consumer options, always nice. It's not like anybody would be forced to use that thing. Just the attempt at hype is annoying.

/edit: oh another thing - this thing seems to activate through an accelerometer of some degree, e.g. if you start falling or spinning around weirdly. In comparison to a helmet, if you were to just bump your head while driving regularly, like on a gate bar or something, this think won't do jack. Or does it work differently?
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