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dGHaiL
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States177 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 01:33:09
July 18 2012 01:31 GMT
#41
For those interested, there is a lot of scientific evidence behind Armstrong's strength and stamina as a cyclist. People saying "How in the world could he beat people who were doping, if he wasn't doping" are ignoring this part of the argument entirely. Let's not forget that Armstrong was already a very good cyclist from the beginning. I'm not trying to argue for or against the man - although I'm obviously biased because I'm an american and I like americans.

The best cyclists in the world are so good at it because

1. Their bodies excel at removing carbon dioxide from their systems, allowing oxygen to renew supply in muscles that need it the most. This can be increased obviously by blood doping, which adds to your supply of hemoglobin and thus allows you to carry more oxygen to your muscles. However, it is also acquired from intense training of the heart muscle, strengthening of the legs and arm muscles, bla bla bla. The stronger your body is, the better it can deal with the buildup of carbon dioxide and the better it can remove it from your system.

2. Working out doesn't just produce carbon dioxide. When your body runs out of oxygen in key muscles, it begins to respirate anaerobically, which means you are producing lactic acid instead of breaking down pyruvate into smaller molecules and moving it into the Kreb's cycle, which requires oxygen to be completed. Instead, your body has to free its electron receptor groups, and thus the electrons (hydrogens from the breakdown of glucose) are pushed into lactic acid. Lance already had an incredible and superhuman body capable of dealing with this lactic acid buildup - that's what makes cyclists like the pros so much better than me and you. When we would get cramps and have to stop on top of a mountain, these cyclists are barely even getting tired - their bodies are removing the lactic acid just as fast as we can build it up.

When Lance was diagnosed with testicular cancer, he had a large tumor mass growing in his body. Tumors require a HUGE amount of energy to grow - as they are growing with reckless abandon. As a result, they often produce lactic acid - and chemo radiation causes people with tumors to grow increasingly tired as their bodies try to keep up with the tumor's need for energy and increased burning of glucose and conversion to lactic acid. His battle with cancer may very well have turned his already superhuman system of lactic acid removal into quite another beast in itself.

Once again, I'm shocked and appalled by the news and really hope it isn't true. I just wanted to provide another side to the argument. There was a scientific study done on Lance's body and it found a lot of this stuff to be quantifiably true. I'll add the link into my post if I can find it. Cheers.

Edit: Article, not the scientific article I found before because I only had access through my University's library, so I can't link it so you can all see it. I apologize, some google searching may help clear it up a bit.
http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/index.cfm?page=article&go2=1459
Gogleion
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States534 Posts
July 18 2012 02:20 GMT
#42
Wait so with the whole Frank Schleck thing, how does a diuretic help him? I know it has to do with helping him dope, but is it because it helps flush out his system of other drugs that are taken when one dopes?
EffOrt. That is all.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
July 18 2012 03:51 GMT
#43
On July 18 2012 11:20 Gogleion wrote:
Wait so with the whole Frank Schleck thing, how does a diuretic help him? I know it has to do with helping him dope, but is it because it helps flush out his system of other drugs that are taken when one dopes?

I'm no expert, but I think you're pretty much right.

Basically if I'm correct on this, the diuretic flushes drugs that are taken and thus effectively serves to hide the fact that he's doping. So being found with the diuretic is supposedly a strong indication that he is probably taking drugs and hiding it.
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