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Chef
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MadNeSs
Denmark1507 Posts
And sorry to sound so harsh, but that's just the harsh reality of cycling imo. So I'm not really surprised that he has used doping (like everybody else anyways). But that's just my oppinion. | ||
michielbrands
Netherlands1146 Posts
On July 17 2012 17:33 MadNeSs wrote: Well, I for once is not really surprised tbh. I've never understood why people watched this stuff, since it's so obv that they all just doped up. I mean after most Tourde de Frances the like top 15 has admitted that they've used (exept for the winner), and do you honestly believe that someone can beat all these doped up players without using doping themselves? I dont understand why ppl are so surprised about Armstrong, he beat everyone for 7 years (I think it was) straight, and never got busted for doping, but that doesnt mean that he didnt do it. I think that the cyclist have just found new ways to avoid get busted, like taking smaller dozes or something, I dont know - The point is, they're all doped anyways, they might as well just making it legal for ppl to use doping. Then we could see how fast the human body could do it, and they would win every stage in liek 2 hours, and they'd all have swollen muscles, where you can see all there vains, and they'll probably die at age 30. But hey it's still better than how they do it now, where everybody claims they dont use doping, when infact they do - Even Lance Armstrong. And sorry to sound so harsh, but that's just the harsh reality of cycling imo. So I'm not really surprised that he has used doping (like everybody else anyways). But that's just my oppinion. Lots of stuff riders used in the past weren't forbidden at that time, so were they actually using doping at all. You act like this only happens at Cycling, but why should they use more or less doping then other sports... to make it even more intresting, why would you use doping? to gain more money! so in which sports would doping be the most logical choice: Basketball, Baseball, Soccer, Tennis etc. not cycling. People start cycling because they love it, not because its cool or common, in the past riders who were good and didn't use started to get owned in the late 80s, early 90s by riders they owned before (Doping users), this caused frustrations which lead to them using as well. When you comparise the current times in time travels and climb times, they are a lot less fast then they were like 10 years ago, while the material and the trainings technics all developed, this says enough about the fact that the sport gets cleaner! | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
As for Lance Armstrong, it's impossible he's not guilty of something like EPO. He was so much stronger than the others, when all his competitors were users. There actually isn't anyone that can come even close to his speeds in this age. He was very talented, of course, perhaps he would have won the tour had everyone been clean, but he's still a cheater who has a lot of nerve to turn his life into an inspirational story without acknowledging the dark sides of it. | ||
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MadNeSs
Denmark1507 Posts
On July 17 2012 20:45 Grumbels wrote: Don't just say "let them use doping, everyone does it anyway". No, they don't anymore, because it's so hard to get away with it. I'm sure there's still doping use in the tour, but there are a lot more clean cyclists now, perhaps cyclists that used to not be able to compete because of the cheaters. And doping is hardly good for you, there are enough stories of people that nearly killed themselves getting doped up. As for Lance Armstrong, it's impossible he's not guilty of something like EPO. He was so much stronger than the others, when all his competitors were users. There actually isn't anyone that can come even close to his speeds in this age. He was very talented, of course, perhaps he would have won the tour had everyone been clean, but he's still a cheater who has a lot of nerve to turn his life into an inspirational story without acknowledging the dark sides of it. Keep telling yourself that. | ||
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michielbrands
Netherlands1146 Posts
jezus just read 3 words further and you wouldn't have to place your comment.....Read someones posts good before reacting on it! | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32122 Posts
It is really sad to learn that your favorite team or player cheated like a mother fucker though. Thank god I'm not a big baseball fan. Hockey players are just mostly hopped up on sudafed. Then again, I love football. Meh. | ||
zatic
Zurich15361 Posts
1996 Biarne Ries - biggest busted joke of all time 1997 Jan Ulrich - busted 1998 Marco Pantani - busted 1999 - 2006 Lance Armstrong - (basically) busted 2007 Floyd Landis - busted 2008 Alberto Contador - busted 2009 Carlos Sastre - probably clean. Won the tour when all favorites where banned for doping 2010 Alberto Contador - busted 2011 Cadel Evans - probably clean Great sport! | ||
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Gogleion
United States534 Posts
The teammates calling Lance out for doping were convicted of doping. This was well over a year ago, and they still haven't been able to find evidence that ties Lance to doping. And every single drug test he's ever taken for doping has been clean. But, then again Chris Carmichael is a really huge asshole if you've ever met him. He's really in it for the money and it wouldn't surprise me if he had one of his athletes to dope so that they can become artificially stronger athletes and make him more famous. BTW Zatic: Those people finished first in the Tour, but they aren't recognized as winners. Technically, all of the winners today are clean because all the found dopers are stripped of the title. | ||
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Gogleion
United States534 Posts
http://www.google.com/trends/?q=lance armstrong doping | ||
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zatic
Zurich15361 Posts
On July 17 2012 23:49 Gogleion wrote: BTW Zatic: Those people finished first in the Tour, but they aren't recognized as winners. Technically, all of the winners today are clean because all the found dopers are stripped of the title. AFAIK only Landis and Contador have lost their titles. All the other convicted and admitted dopers can still carry their winner titles. Fucking joke. Also often enough cheaters will test clean and witnesses are the only way to get them. Bjarne Ries is probably the biggest juicer in history and he never failed a test. Partly because the technology wasn't there yet and because oversight was much laxer in the 90ies. Still, just look at the list, even if you take out Armstrong it's still just a joke. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
Sad to see how many dopers there are in cycling too... | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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vanskater
United States146 Posts
On July 17 2012 16:55 michielbrands wrote: Don't give up your love on cycling because of this.... Look at the new generation who plays the game its ment to be played, cheaters currently stand no chance (see Riccardo Ricco for example). Perhaps it was a bit naive from you to think Armstrong was the one who wans't guilty, taking in consideration that all his contenders (Ulrich, Basso, Pantani, Virenque, etc.) all used doping and weren't able to beat him. But also take in consideration that even tough he used doping the things he did were incredible and in the tour almost the impossible is ask from a rider, its no surprise that the tour has been made a lot "easier" the last couple of years due to that reason. But please keep supporting the new "clean" guys like A. & F. Schleck, V. Nibali, C. Evans, B. Mollema, R. Gesink, R. Hesjedal, C. Froome, B. Wiggins etc. The sport stays incredible and the fights in the mountains are still heroic! Spread the love for cycling, Cycling is just miles in front of other sports when it comes to taking the doping out the sport, no other sport has so many drugtests! hua, Frank just got cought with a masking agent durning todays rest day http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/07/news/uci-announces-positive-doping-test-for-frank-schleck-2_230302 | ||
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vanskater
United States146 Posts
On July 18 2012 05:13 MattBarry wrote: So is doping the use of steroids? Cause in my experience, "dope" is heroin. the term doping comes from "Blood doping" or creating more red blood cells to cary more oxygen, ie better endurence. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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jupidar
United States229 Posts
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