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mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
July 17 2012 06:00 GMT
#1
One of the sports I love to watch is cycling, but after the latest doping scandal with Armstrong this is the end for me. I cant watch this shit anymore. Lance Armstrong was my favourite athlete and role model, not only for his wins in cycling, but also for winning the battle with cancer.

Reading all these things makes me sooo angry. You know what - fuck you Lance, fuck you and fuck your doctors, fuck all the people from the USA cycling federation covering all this shit for 20 years.
You are going to destroy one of the most manly sports, which is a real test for the human physical boundaries. Good job!


/rant

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Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 17 2012 06:17 GMT
#2
You said it!

Here is the flipside though, what if the majority of cyclists are users? Does that redeem his comeback? I don't know, he was a legend but this shit really tarnishes him and the sport.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
July 17 2012 06:20 GMT
#3
Wait, was he convicted?
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 06:27:31
July 17 2012 06:27 GMT
#4
No yet, but his doctors and managers are banned for life for possession, use and doping trafficking. Landis and Hamilton who were teammates openly said that Armstrong has used doping...
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
July 17 2012 06:27 GMT
#5
lul cycling while cycling
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RoninShogun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States315 Posts
July 17 2012 06:28 GMT
#6
Yeah I don't watch a lick of cycling all year except for the Tour de France, and it's frustrating to see how much doping screws everything up, even after the fact, when the people in charge do decide there is enough evidence to strip someone of a title (obvious example being Contrador's recently removed title).
All in all the whole thing seems like it should be so black and white: do the tests that, in this case, Armstrong took indicate that he was doping, or not, and that should be the end of it, but testimonials and donations and stuff like that really screw with what we know about what actually happened.
On a more interesting note regarding bribery and the Tour de France, you should read about Jean Robic and his 1947 victory.
Artosis: Yeah I was gonna probe rush but someone did that yesterday
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
July 17 2012 06:29 GMT
#7
That's the most disappointing thing I've heard in a long time. My dad always watched Tour de France and I'd watch with him when I was younger and cheered for him always, because he was the best and he was American. Wow. :/
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
July 17 2012 07:17 GMT
#8
I assumed most of the participants have done variations of doping. No suprises here
Rogatien
Profile Joined April 2012
Belize2 Posts
July 17 2012 07:24 GMT
#9
why is there more doping in Cycling than in other olympic sports?
okay....
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 07:32:25
July 17 2012 07:29 GMT
#10
On July 17 2012 16:24 Rogatien wrote:
why is there more doping in Cycling than in other olympic sports?

Historically there isn't. The sheer scale of doping in the Olympics has been covered up pretty well. The systematic doping in eastern bloc countries was absurd.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
July 17 2012 07:31 GMT
#11
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/7264435/Lance-Armstrong-associates-get-life-bans

that's some crazy shit.

all those lance armstrong motivational posters I saw growing up...
moo...for DRG
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 07:32:27
July 17 2012 07:31 GMT
#12
On July 17 2012 16:24 Rogatien wrote:
why is there more doping in Cycling than in other olympic sports?



you never know, swimming, athletics, weightlifting... just look at the results of the recent Olympic games, world records are falling like autumn leafs. At the same time the only people caught with doping are athletes from some third world countries. Corruption is all over the IOC and the Olympic idea is forgotten and replaced with capitalism and making money out of the sport.
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
July 17 2012 07:38 GMT
#13
I recommend you guys watch the documentary "Bigger Faster Stronger". It's mostly about steroid use but they do a lot of research on how widely spread all drug use is in competitive sports - it's a good watch
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
July 17 2012 07:50 GMT
#14
90% of sportsmen in all sports are on some kind of dope. Sounds like a random hyperbole but it's probably very accurate. They should just let competitors juice and be done with the charade :p
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
July 17 2012 07:52 GMT
#15
On July 17 2012 16:29 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 16:24 Rogatien wrote:
why is there more doping in Cycling than in other olympic sports?

Historically there isn't. The sheer scale of doping in the Olympics has been covered up pretty well. The systematic doping in eastern bloc countries was absurd.


Realistically anyone who can compete with cheaters is somewhat likely to be also cheating. At least in sports that rely almost completely on strength and stamina.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
michielbrands
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1146 Posts
July 17 2012 07:55 GMT
#16
Don't give up your love on cycling because of this.... Look at the new generation who plays the game its ment to be played, cheaters currently stand no chance (see Riccardo Ricco for example). Perhaps it was a bit naive from you to think Armstrong was the one who wans't guilty, taking in consideration that all his contenders (Ulrich, Basso, Pantani, Virenque, etc.) all used doping and weren't able to beat him. But also take in consideration that even tough he used doping the things he did were incredible and in the tour almost the impossible is ask from a rider, its no surprise that the tour has been made a lot "easier" the last couple of years due to that reason. But please keep supporting the new "clean" guys like A. & F. Schleck, V. Nibali, C. Evans, B. Mollema, R. Gesink, R. Hesjedal, C. Froome, B. Wiggins etc.

The sport stays incredible and the fights in the mountains are still heroic! Spread the love for cycling, Cycling is just miles in front of other sports when it comes to taking the doping out the sport, no other sport has so many drugtests!
- me (L) competitive gaming -
michielbrands
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1146 Posts
July 17 2012 07:59 GMT
#17
On July 17 2012 16:24 Rogatien wrote:
why is there more doping in Cycling than in other olympic sports?

because they test way more, every cyclist gets like 5 out of competition test during the year, and for example in the tour almost every rider gets atleast tested twice.
- me (L) competitive gaming -
MadNeSs
Profile Joined March 2007
Denmark1507 Posts
July 17 2012 08:07 GMT
#18
I'm sorry havent followed this much, what is it that has happended? Has Lance Armstrong admitted to using doping or something?
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 08:28:23
July 17 2012 08:13 GMT
#19
On July 17 2012 16:55 michielbrands wrote:
Don't give up your love on cycling because of this.... Look at the new generation who plays the game its ment to be played, cheaters currently stand no chance (see Riccardo Ricco for example). Perhaps it was a bit naive from you to think Armstrong was the one who wans't guilty, taking in consideration that all his contenders (Ulrich, Basso, Pantani, Virenque, etc.) all used doping and weren't able to beat him. But also take in consideration that even tough he used doping the things he did were incredible and in the tour almost the impossible is ask from a rider, its no surprise that the tour has been made a lot "easier" the last couple of years due to that reason. But please keep supporting the new "clean" guys like A. & F. Schleck, V. Nibali, C. Evans, B. Mollema, R. Gesink, R. Hesjedal, C. Froome, B. Wiggins etc.

If by "clean" you mean "less juiced" you should indeed keep supporting those guys !

You really believe that bs ?
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/07/news/tour-notebook-stage-15-froome-battles-parasite-media-cars-expelled_230162
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
July 17 2012 08:14 GMT
#20
On July 17 2012 17:07 MadNeSs wrote:
I'm sorry havent followed this much, what is it that has happended? Has Lance Armstrong admitted to using doping or something?

No he hasn't admitted it, but his former teammates and associates have. They have implicated him in the doping. It's pretty damning stuff.
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