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On July 06 2012 06:41 EnE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 01:14 Gene wrote:On July 05 2012 20:44 EnE wrote:
I don't hate LoL because of the game itself, I hate it because its a fucking shitty spectator sport.
It has so so many more players than sc2 but still barely manages double the tournament views.... we don't WANT a game like that to grow, because it could never grow Esports.... think of if LoL captured 10% of the Western population compared to if Sc2 captured 10% of the western population.... E-sports would be like 20 times as big with Sc2. if a game like sc2 blows up even more and becomes ENORMOUS, then that will simultaneously explode e-sports to the same level because it's a competitive spectator game. If a game like LoL where seemingly 1/1000 of the people even bother to watch a tourney stream becomes ENORMOUS, it'll just suck life from other E-sports...sad but true.
You need to not only be a Moba fan but also know all the intricacies of LOL to understand what the fuck is going on. It just doesn't work to be a widespread E-sport.
In sc2, you can appreciate a tank blasting a marine without knowing the HP of the marine, the DPS of the tank and taking into account their upgrades, etc. In lol, your not gonna have a clue what any of the random coloured lights mean if you DON'T ALREADY PLAY THE GAME. Honestly I'm pretty sure you're just completely wrong, and that your last point is entirely the opposite for exactly the reasoning you use. Your own personal favoritism and opinions are so negatively clouding your judgement. now that im not at work, i can elaborate. Watching LoL is SO MUCH easier than watching SC2. I dont need to be even REMOTELY aware of the 80 different units, their abilities, and their weaknesses. There are at most 10 units to be aware of (as if any total newbie is going to give a fuck about the support characters.) They'll be aware they have spells that do damage, or just hack at people with their swords. how do you possibly contend that a game with more viewers is the worse spectator sport Are you kidding me? Yeah, they'll be able to get that their spells (sometimes) do damage and that they can attack.... but that doesn't help. There's no visual representation for exactly whats going on. If you see a tiny elf thing kill a massive troll then that makes NO FUCKING SENSE. In starcraft 2 you will never see a zergling kill a thor 1 on 1. If you see a hellion shoot fire at a marine then the marine burns. You can infer it's dead. If you see a centaur shoot a orangey light at the dwarf thing with the red circle around it and then it glows blue wtf does that show you? You have an enormous bias... Sc2 was my first RTS and I'd never played a moba before. Know what that means? I know what both games are like to a first time watcher. When I saw sc2, I saw a tank kill a tank or a soldier shoot a soldier. When I saw LoL I saw (random character) do (random thing) with (random effect) which was shown through (random visual.) You could compare sc2 to lol as a spectator sport if everything was changed to make no logical sense and instead of explosions or bullets or zergling attacks, there was varying colours of light.
You're probably the only one who played only one RTS and never played moba before
oh wait I did that too. Clearly my opinion is more important. I would say we should agree to disagree but on a statement of fact as to what game is less intricate, clearly one of us must be wrong.
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On July 06 2012 04:50 Carson wrote:
As a hockey fan I hate on lacrosse... and no one cares. See my point?
And you call yourself a Canadian! I guess I'll add I love Goose for being 5 small Dendi's. It's the only thing LoL is missing right now for me. They help fill that gap :D
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Firstly I think alot of the people who are hating on LoL care more about starcraft than eSports itself. LoL is a competitor to SC2 right now and I think people are pissed that the brand of starcraft that took so long to build up naturally into SC2 has been surpassed by a once no name game that just appeared and got popular within like 5 months because it's fun and free not because it's mother fucking starcraft the manliest game on earth. right?
I have no hate towards LoL but I can't say I like watching it. It's okay to play with friends but I will always remain true to starcraft ^^
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On July 05 2012 21:06 Caller wrote:
i think all games are both shitty, skillless, games, and thus people will continue to play them for no good reason
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I don't quite understand why starcraft 2 needs other games to get big in order for us to keep growing our own scene?
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I am so confused why all of you guys are being such dicks about this. Its a game that has a worse community, but still a great community compared to most other games. Starcraft's community isn't immaculate either, its the best one, but still has some shit in it, like BW elitists who believe that BW is the only game worth playing, ever. SC2 elitists who only believe that BW should die and LoL can suck a dick. Thats only naming two of them, LoL is not a terrible game, yes its a little easier than DotA, but at the highest level its not crazy easier, its just about even. The best DotA players have been playing that game for a long time, and LoL is relatively new so of course it gets hate. It has much more than just a cult following and is the most popular game in the SC bastion country, South Korea.
On the subject of this never ending war of SC2 and LoL when it comes to killing the Leviathan or Jonah getting eaten by the Leviathan (yes the word whale is incorrectly translated because the hebrew word for whale is pronounced, le-vi-a-tan, but I digress). The two games have enormously different fan bases, with different types of people, they don't overlap except for people who watch both, like me. I enjoy both games, not equally, SC2 is more tactical and fun to watch, but seeing TSM dominate CLG is my second along with fighting games. The fact is that ones success does not define or hurt the other. The tournaments will keep SC2 so long as the community is strong, and SC2 has more tourneys than LoL, every tournament SC2 has actually masses numbers over LoL, if you combine them all together since there are so many grass roots ones. Companies gravitate towards profit, but do not gravitate solely to one side or the other, there is profit in both and SC2 has many more dedicated viewers who have been here since BW than LoL, so no LoL and SC2 don't have to fight to the death.
On the subject of doucheapplery, and elitism. I'm only going to give a few lines about this for each category, the people who hate on LoL have a parallel in the LoL community who hate on SC and SC2 and everything else. The BW elitists (I can name a few on this site who do this), you make up a tiny minority of gamers, most people view BW as a badly made, incredibly hard / high skill gap game, with bad resolution and worse AI which got popular because South Korea literally fed it to their young children, IMO I think BW is great and I enjoy watching it and being terrible at it, but more than a few sites agree on this notion. For the SC2 people, you act just like the BW elitists that I just mentioned that I know you hate with a passion, SC2 is not universally declared a great game by any means, it lost to mass effect on a game of the year site, yeah mass effect, you know the game with the shitty final ending, that one. The fact is that LoL has some bad apples and so does this community.
About people that say the pros act like children, most of the pros are actually very manner. This is about the same in SC2, but their are some that aren't that way, anyone remember the anger that was Nani's probe rush? Maybe every game avilo plays vs zerg? Maybe every game IdrA plays in general? Maybe every genre that Destiny plays? They rage a lot, there are many cheaters who play this game and BW too. The pros of SC2 are just as human as the Pros of LoL, in LoL the main person they shit on is HotShotGG, and yes he is a dick, but not any more so than Destiny who uses racial slurs when he is angry/rages/loses any given game.
Finally about the hate on "champs," yes some champs seem to overlap, but none of them are exactly the same and none of the abilities are the same. There are only SO many abilities that can exist, but riot has pushed this limit and expanded them way past where DotA left them off. LoL has some great parts to it
TL;DR, its fun to hate, but do it in moderation, bros. Its obviously a vocal minority who hates, but this minority needs to shut up and pay attention to more important things in life than shitting on other people's parades, if shitting on them is that important to you, get your goals in line cuz they are messed up.
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I think a constant bashing between rivalling X is a good thing. It encourages development and strengthens the resolve to not just maintain but to strive to improve. When your brother first invites you to play basketball and then soon after crams one down your throat, you practice like crazy. Then upon return you cram one down his throat, which inspires him to do better and so the cycle continues. Just don't think of things people are saying as an insult but rather as one of a challenge. Sc2 fans talk about how LoL requires little skill? Practice like crazy, show off your skills in a video, and challenge them to show something in Sc2 that takes more skill than that. Instead of complaining about how people dislike the things you love, you should use their comments to fuel a fire in your heart.
Anyway that's how I think it is.
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in my opinion lol makes someone more addicted than WoW. Cause it's the system with getting ip for a win or lose, so if you dont want to spend much money for lol you just try to play play and play for next champ or beter runes pages etc...
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On July 05 2012 21:51 Irre wrote:
Actually, it should get shit, because the game makes professional Esports look TERRIBLE. The players are little kids that behave and present themselves like little kids. Theres edrama with teams rearranging constantly, and the games lack quality across the board pretty much. Giant mistakes are made in almost every game its like watching a really B Level pro match in sc2 at the highest level of LoL. That is not even discussing the merits of the game itself as an esport. Maybe when there is actual decorum and professionalism in the game it will be considered a better esport. Maybe when it can sustain itself outside of only people who play the game and Riot not throwing millions of its own money at it. I think the best hope for LoL is for Korea to take it over, they seem to bring a higher standard to the game already and maybe can set an example for the childish lazy western players that represent the "pro LoL scene" at the moment.
lolololololololol
By that logic, SC2 wouldn't have gotten past beta
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