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On July 04 2012 01:54 TheToast wrote:My BS alarm is going off at full volume. Let's think about this for a minute. For starters, bullets don't "side swipe" people. It's possible to be grazed, but in such a case the bullet wouldn't lodge into the person's body. He's claiming the bullet grazed him, somehow only lodged a piece of bullet into his back, yet it wasn't severe enough to land him in the hospital. I'm not buying this, the physics don't make any sense. I've made a short diagram explaining why this is: We can see in the top frame a likely scenario. The OP, the "Passed Out Guy" is as he described laying on the ground on his stomach with his back in the air. Now, subject B, let's call him the "Bad Guy" has a small hand gun aimed at passed out guy. The second frame show the likely trajectory of the gun should the bad guy fire. As you can see, rather than a graze, he would clearly shoot passed out guy squarely in the ass. Whereas a "graze" would need to be a very shallow upward trajectory allowing passed out guy to be injured, but the bullet not get lodged in his ass or back. Now, unless the bad guy was laying on the ground next to him shooting at the sky, this seems unlikely. But what about a ricochet? It makes the most sense given the story about only a fragment of the bullet lodging in the back of passed out guy. But to accomplish the "graze" that the OP describes, the bullet would neet to be fired from a great deal of height far away or a few floors up relatively close. This again makes little sense, as why would someone in a building a short ways away be firing at the ground near passed out guy. Then there's the story about the allergic reaction. For starters, the symptoms the OP described are not entirely consistent with an allergic reaction, and are far more in line with a nasty infection. One does not get a fever even with serious allergic reactions. This makes even less sense, as a bullet is hot enough when it leaves the gun barrel that it would be steril and probably wouldn't cause a major infection, even if it lodged a good way into the passed out guy's back. While the rash could be a result of an allergic reaction, reactions to a metal would be far more localized unless it was lodged in the tissue for a long time and began dissolving into his blood stream. Most modern bullets are also lead alloys, usually lead mixed with tin and trace amounts of other metals which are not common allergies by any means. In conclution, I call this story complete BS. More likely the OP passed out and fell on top of a sharp piece of metal, which cut him badly, lodged into his back, and then introduced tetnis and other nasty bacteria into his system; culminating in a very serious infection. Which btw, he was a complete and total moron not to seek medical assistance over.
Sorry to burst your bubble but you're not a ballistics expert. Nor am I; however, I do know a bit about guns given that I've shot many, with many different types of ammunition, and have had to learn about all of them before using them. Lightweight 9mm soft point, for example, will fragment easily upon any impact -- even with human tissue -- and it's entirely possible to have a piece come off even if it 'grazes' you (they travel fast and fragment much easier than slower, heavier rds such as 230gr .45acp).
So that point you made is moot. I mean, I get it, you wanted to have some fun so this post was a good excuse for doing so, but it makes me cringe to see someone explain ballistics who clearly has no experience with guns/bullets/wounds. If you were just trolling, then joke's on me I guess.
As for his story, yeah, it's wild. He's in Colombia though. I have a friend who was there who was on a student trip with someone who was robbed in a taxi and nearly abducted. The guy ended up knifing the person in the kidney who trying to rob him in the back of the taxi (working with the driver), and the guy bled to death in the cab. The driver fled, and a cop car was in plain view of the entire incident. They told him to go home. He showed up later at the station to report the incident -- was met by the same cops who again told him to go home. Bottom line: Shit doesn't go down the way you think it justifiably should in certain areas in certain South American (and other) countries. It's totally possible to be shot or have something else happen after which no one reports the incident.
edit: To throw my own two cents in, I too think it's a bogus story. But not for the reasons you mentioned. My issue with it is simple: If you're blackout drunk, how can you reliably recount what happened to you? He doesn't know what happened to him that night, plain and simple.
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You need to stop drinking away from home. >.<
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On July 04 2012 02:19 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 01:54 TheToast wrote:My BS alarm is going off at full volume. Let's think about this for a minute. For starters, bullets don't "side swipe" people. It's possible to be grazed, but in such a case the bullet wouldn't lodge into the person's body. He's claiming the bullet grazed him, somehow only lodged a piece of bullet into his back, yet it wasn't severe enough to land him in the hospital. I'm not buying this, the physics don't make any sense. I've made a short diagram explaining why this is: We can see in the top frame a likely scenario. The OP, the "Passed Out Guy" is as he described laying on the ground on his stomach with his back in the air. Now, subject B, let's call him the "Bad Guy" has a small hand gun aimed at passed out guy. The second frame show the likely trajectory of the gun should the bad guy fire. As you can see, rather than a graze, he would clearly shoot passed out guy squarely in the ass. Whereas a "graze" would need to be a very shallow upward trajectory allowing passed out guy to be injured, but the bullet not get lodged in his ass or back. Now, unless the bad guy was laying on the ground next to him shooting at the sky, this seems unlikely. But what about a ricochet? It makes the most sense given the story about only a fragment of the bullet lodging in the back of passed out guy. But to accomplish the "graze" that the OP describes, the bullet would neet to be fired from a great deal of height far away or a few floors up relatively close. This again makes little sense, as why would someone in a building a short ways away be firing at the ground near passed out guy. Then there's the story about the allergic reaction. For starters, the symptoms the OP described are not entirely consistent with an allergic reaction, and are far more in line with a nasty infection. One does not get a fever even with serious allergic reactions. This makes even less sense, as a bullet is hot enough when it leaves the gun barrel that it would be steril and probably wouldn't cause a major infection, even if it lodged a good way into the passed out guy's back. While the rash could be a result of an allergic reaction, reactions to a metal would be far more localized unless it was lodged in the tissue for a long time and began dissolving into his blood stream. Most modern bullets are also lead alloys, usually lead mixed with tin and trace amounts of other metals which are not common allergies by any means. In conclution, I call this story complete BS. More likely the OP passed out and fell on top of a sharp piece of metal, which cut him badly, lodged into his back, and then introduced tetnis and other nasty bacteria into his system; culminating in a very serious infection. Which btw, he was a complete and total moron not to seek medical assistance over. Sorry to burst your bubble but you're not a ballistics expert. Nor am I; however, I do know a bit about guns given that I've shot many, with many different types of ammunition, and have had to learn about all of them before using them. Lightweight 9mm soft point, for example, will fragment easily upon any impact -- even with human tissue -- and it's entirely possible to have a piece come off even if it 'grazes' you (they travel fast and fragment much easier than slower, heavier rds such as 230gr .45acp). So that point you made is moot. I mean, I get it, you wanted to have some fun so this post was a good excuse for doing so, but it makes me cringe to see someone explain ballistics who clearly has no experience with guns/bullets/wounds. If you were just trolling, then joke's on me I guess. As for his story, yeah, it's wild. He's in Colombia though. I have a friend who was there who was on a student trip with someone who was robbed in a taxi and nearly abducted. The guy ended up knifing the person in the kidney who trying to rob him in the back of the taxi (working with the driver), and the guy bled to death in the cab. The driver fled, and a cop car was in plain view of the entire incident. They told him to go home. He showed up later at the station to report the incident -- was met by the same cops who again told him to go home. Bottom line: Shit doesn't go down the way you think it justifiably should in certain areas in certain South American (and other) countries. It's totally possible to be shot or have something else happen after which no one reports the incident. edit: To throw my own two cents in, I too think it's a bogus story. But not for the reasons you mentioned. My issue with it is simple: If you're blackout drunk, how can you reliably recount what happened to you? He doesn't know what happened to him that night, plain and simple.
Lol, if I wanted to be taken 100% serious I probably wouldn't have done the "diagram" in MS Paint. I was just trying to illustrate how absurd the story sounded.
I realize that there are probable scenarios in which a bullet could have fragmented and lodged into his side; but they're all pretty remote. Columbia also isn't nearly as dangerous as it once was. Depends greatly on what cities you're in and in what neighborhoods.
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On July 04 2012 02:34 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 02:19 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 04 2012 01:54 TheToast wrote:My BS alarm is going off at full volume. Let's think about this for a minute. For starters, bullets don't "side swipe" people. It's possible to be grazed, but in such a case the bullet wouldn't lodge into the person's body. He's claiming the bullet grazed him, somehow only lodged a piece of bullet into his back, yet it wasn't severe enough to land him in the hospital. I'm not buying this, the physics don't make any sense. I've made a short diagram explaining why this is: We can see in the top frame a likely scenario. The OP, the "Passed Out Guy" is as he described laying on the ground on his stomach with his back in the air. Now, subject B, let's call him the "Bad Guy" has a small hand gun aimed at passed out guy. The second frame show the likely trajectory of the gun should the bad guy fire. As you can see, rather than a graze, he would clearly shoot passed out guy squarely in the ass. Whereas a "graze" would need to be a very shallow upward trajectory allowing passed out guy to be injured, but the bullet not get lodged in his ass or back. Now, unless the bad guy was laying on the ground next to him shooting at the sky, this seems unlikely. But what about a ricochet? It makes the most sense given the story about only a fragment of the bullet lodging in the back of passed out guy. But to accomplish the "graze" that the OP describes, the bullet would neet to be fired from a great deal of height far away or a few floors up relatively close. This again makes little sense, as why would someone in a building a short ways away be firing at the ground near passed out guy. Then there's the story about the allergic reaction. For starters, the symptoms the OP described are not entirely consistent with an allergic reaction, and are far more in line with a nasty infection. One does not get a fever even with serious allergic reactions. This makes even less sense, as a bullet is hot enough when it leaves the gun barrel that it would be steril and probably wouldn't cause a major infection, even if it lodged a good way into the passed out guy's back. While the rash could be a result of an allergic reaction, reactions to a metal would be far more localized unless it was lodged in the tissue for a long time and began dissolving into his blood stream. Most modern bullets are also lead alloys, usually lead mixed with tin and trace amounts of other metals which are not common allergies by any means. In conclution, I call this story complete BS. More likely the OP passed out and fell on top of a sharp piece of metal, which cut him badly, lodged into his back, and then introduced tetnis and other nasty bacteria into his system; culminating in a very serious infection. Which btw, he was a complete and total moron not to seek medical assistance over. Sorry to burst your bubble but you're not a ballistics expert. Nor am I; however, I do know a bit about guns given that I've shot many, with many different types of ammunition, and have had to learn about all of them before using them. Lightweight 9mm soft point, for example, will fragment easily upon any impact -- even with human tissue -- and it's entirely possible to have a piece come off even if it 'grazes' you (they travel fast and fragment much easier than slower, heavier rds such as 230gr .45acp). So that point you made is moot. I mean, I get it, you wanted to have some fun so this post was a good excuse for doing so, but it makes me cringe to see someone explain ballistics who clearly has no experience with guns/bullets/wounds. If you were just trolling, then joke's on me I guess. As for his story, yeah, it's wild. He's in Colombia though. I have a friend who was there who was on a student trip with someone who was robbed in a taxi and nearly abducted. The guy ended up knifing the person in the kidney who trying to rob him in the back of the taxi (working with the driver), and the guy bled to death in the cab. The driver fled, and a cop car was in plain view of the entire incident. They told him to go home. He showed up later at the station to report the incident -- was met by the same cops who again told him to go home. Bottom line: Shit doesn't go down the way you think it justifiably should in certain areas in certain South American (and other) countries. It's totally possible to be shot or have something else happen after which no one reports the incident. edit: To throw my own two cents in, I too think it's a bogus story. But not for the reasons you mentioned. My issue with it is simple: If you're blackout drunk, how can you reliably recount what happened to you? He doesn't know what happened to him that night, plain and simple. Lol, if I wanted to be taken 100% serious I probably wouldn't have done the "diagram" in MS Paint. I was just trying to illustrate how absurd the story sounded. I realize that there are probable scenarios in which a bullet could have fragmented and lodged into his side; but they're all pretty remote. Columbia also isn't nearly as dangerous as it once was. Depends greatly on what cities you're in and in what neighborhoods.
Eh.... I mean, if you wanted to show that, then maybe a more likely scenario should have been used.
In your explanation you used physics assuming that the projectile is a ball hitting an even surface, which is not true. You also ignore fragmentation of the bullet. These aren't factors that you can just ignore, as they completely change the possibilities.
And just because a story sounds absurd doesn't mean it isn't true. Crazier things have happened. Your stated intent, which is "to illustrate how absurd the story is", and what you did, which is show how unlikely the event is [in your opinion] don't seem to match up. An unlikely event, such as flipping a coin 5 times in a row and getting heads isn't absurd just because it is unlikely.
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On July 04 2012 03:02 frogmelter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 02:34 TheToast wrote:On July 04 2012 02:19 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 04 2012 01:54 TheToast wrote:My BS alarm is going off at full volume. Let's think about this for a minute. For starters, bullets don't "side swipe" people. It's possible to be grazed, but in such a case the bullet wouldn't lodge into the person's body. He's claiming the bullet grazed him, somehow only lodged a piece of bullet into his back, yet it wasn't severe enough to land him in the hospital. I'm not buying this, the physics don't make any sense. I've made a short diagram explaining why this is: We can see in the top frame a likely scenario. The OP, the "Passed Out Guy" is as he described laying on the ground on his stomach with his back in the air. Now, subject B, let's call him the "Bad Guy" has a small hand gun aimed at passed out guy. The second frame show the likely trajectory of the gun should the bad guy fire. As you can see, rather than a graze, he would clearly shoot passed out guy squarely in the ass. Whereas a "graze" would need to be a very shallow upward trajectory allowing passed out guy to be injured, but the bullet not get lodged in his ass or back. Now, unless the bad guy was laying on the ground next to him shooting at the sky, this seems unlikely. But what about a ricochet? It makes the most sense given the story about only a fragment of the bullet lodging in the back of passed out guy. But to accomplish the "graze" that the OP describes, the bullet would neet to be fired from a great deal of height far away or a few floors up relatively close. This again makes little sense, as why would someone in a building a short ways away be firing at the ground near passed out guy. Then there's the story about the allergic reaction. For starters, the symptoms the OP described are not entirely consistent with an allergic reaction, and are far more in line with a nasty infection. One does not get a fever even with serious allergic reactions. This makes even less sense, as a bullet is hot enough when it leaves the gun barrel that it would be steril and probably wouldn't cause a major infection, even if it lodged a good way into the passed out guy's back. While the rash could be a result of an allergic reaction, reactions to a metal would be far more localized unless it was lodged in the tissue for a long time and began dissolving into his blood stream. Most modern bullets are also lead alloys, usually lead mixed with tin and trace amounts of other metals which are not common allergies by any means. In conclution, I call this story complete BS. More likely the OP passed out and fell on top of a sharp piece of metal, which cut him badly, lodged into his back, and then introduced tetnis and other nasty bacteria into his system; culminating in a very serious infection. Which btw, he was a complete and total moron not to seek medical assistance over. Sorry to burst your bubble but you're not a ballistics expert. Nor am I; however, I do know a bit about guns given that I've shot many, with many different types of ammunition, and have had to learn about all of them before using them. Lightweight 9mm soft point, for example, will fragment easily upon any impact -- even with human tissue -- and it's entirely possible to have a piece come off even if it 'grazes' you (they travel fast and fragment much easier than slower, heavier rds such as 230gr .45acp). So that point you made is moot. I mean, I get it, you wanted to have some fun so this post was a good excuse for doing so, but it makes me cringe to see someone explain ballistics who clearly has no experience with guns/bullets/wounds. If you were just trolling, then joke's on me I guess. As for his story, yeah, it's wild. He's in Colombia though. I have a friend who was there who was on a student trip with someone who was robbed in a taxi and nearly abducted. The guy ended up knifing the person in the kidney who trying to rob him in the back of the taxi (working with the driver), and the guy bled to death in the cab. The driver fled, and a cop car was in plain view of the entire incident. They told him to go home. He showed up later at the station to report the incident -- was met by the same cops who again told him to go home. Bottom line: Shit doesn't go down the way you think it justifiably should in certain areas in certain South American (and other) countries. It's totally possible to be shot or have something else happen after which no one reports the incident. edit: To throw my own two cents in, I too think it's a bogus story. But not for the reasons you mentioned. My issue with it is simple: If you're blackout drunk, how can you reliably recount what happened to you? He doesn't know what happened to him that night, plain and simple. Lol, if I wanted to be taken 100% serious I probably wouldn't have done the "diagram" in MS Paint. I was just trying to illustrate how absurd the story sounded. I realize that there are probable scenarios in which a bullet could have fragmented and lodged into his side; but they're all pretty remote. Columbia also isn't nearly as dangerous as it once was. Depends greatly on what cities you're in and in what neighborhoods. Eh.... I mean, if you wanted to show that, then maybe a more likely scenario should have been used. In your explanation you used physics assuming that the projectile is a ball hitting an even surface, which is not true. You also ignore fragmentation of the bullet. These aren't factors that you can just ignore, as they completely change the possibilities. And just because a story sounds absurd doesn't mean it isn't true. Crazier things have happened.
Interestingly the myth busters did a show a few months back where they tested a bullet ricocheting off an asphault service. Not only did it ricochet with precisely the suspected angle of deflection, but the 9mm didn't fragment at all. Not scientific proof, but more than enough to suggest that a standard handgun bullet will more or less obey the standard laws of deflection.
It's true, I can't prove it didn't happen. But think about this for a minute. What are the odds that while passed out randomly in the street that someone just happened to fired a gun, whose bullet fragmented in such a way that he was uninjured but part of the bullet struck him then lodged into his body. Of course he was entirely unconcious during all of this. He then didn't go to the hospital but spent a day or so with a rash and a bad fever after which he was perfectly fine. After getting shot. Seriously?
This story has so many holes and inconsistencies. Like, why didn't he mention bleeding profusely? Why did he get a rash? Why was someone shooting a gun close by in such a way that he got grazed but not injured? Why did he have a terrible fever. How did he know it was a bullet from a small fragment of metal? How did he manage to get it out? (that would be blindingly painful).
Sorry, but my explanation is 100x more plausible. Either that or it's complete BS in it's entirity.
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lol why would I choose to create a fake story so boring and with holes, im telling it like it man, yes i left out many things and details but heck im not writing a book about it, this blog was just like a vent, or my thoughts you can choose to believe what u want
and btw, this did not happen in colombia, happened in the us. and i been back on the us for only couple of months lol turn out i was safer in colombia 
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and yeah i kinda mention on my house today of maybe going to a 4th of july cook out, and everyone just gave me the look "better stay the fuck home" lol
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Thank you for asking. My week has been ok. A big tree fell down, luckily away from my house, and we had a few storms. I wrote a really long recap for GSL and then slacked off instead of editing it down to readable levels.
I ate (several times) and talked a lot on skype. I had a lovely evening with one of my friends and drove her home afterwards last weekend and I also went out drinking.
I wasn't shot though.
How's the evil nazi AIDS?
Sincerely,
Porbo
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It kind of sounds like the plot of The Hangover but way less funny. And no Mike Tyson either.
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What the hell is going on these forums. ._.
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On July 04 2012 03:27 Zorkmid wrote:
TL is hilarious.
I love you, American Jesus.
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bad karma for being a real madrid fan, pretty sure
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On July 04 2012 03:13 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 03:02 frogmelter wrote:On July 04 2012 02:34 TheToast wrote:On July 04 2012 02:19 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 04 2012 01:54 TheToast wrote:My BS alarm is going off at full volume. Let's think about this for a minute. For starters, bullets don't "side swipe" people. It's possible to be grazed, but in such a case the bullet wouldn't lodge into the person's body. He's claiming the bullet grazed him, somehow only lodged a piece of bullet into his back, yet it wasn't severe enough to land him in the hospital. I'm not buying this, the physics don't make any sense. I've made a short diagram explaining why this is: We can see in the top frame a likely scenario. The OP, the "Passed Out Guy" is as he described laying on the ground on his stomach with his back in the air. Now, subject B, let's call him the "Bad Guy" has a small hand gun aimed at passed out guy. The second frame show the likely trajectory of the gun should the bad guy fire. As you can see, rather than a graze, he would clearly shoot passed out guy squarely in the ass. Whereas a "graze" would need to be a very shallow upward trajectory allowing passed out guy to be injured, but the bullet not get lodged in his ass or back. Now, unless the bad guy was laying on the ground next to him shooting at the sky, this seems unlikely. But what about a ricochet? It makes the most sense given the story about only a fragment of the bullet lodging in the back of passed out guy. But to accomplish the "graze" that the OP describes, the bullet would neet to be fired from a great deal of height far away or a few floors up relatively close. This again makes little sense, as why would someone in a building a short ways away be firing at the ground near passed out guy. Then there's the story about the allergic reaction. For starters, the symptoms the OP described are not entirely consistent with an allergic reaction, and are far more in line with a nasty infection. One does not get a fever even with serious allergic reactions. This makes even less sense, as a bullet is hot enough when it leaves the gun barrel that it would be steril and probably wouldn't cause a major infection, even if it lodged a good way into the passed out guy's back. While the rash could be a result of an allergic reaction, reactions to a metal would be far more localized unless it was lodged in the tissue for a long time and began dissolving into his blood stream. Most modern bullets are also lead alloys, usually lead mixed with tin and trace amounts of other metals which are not common allergies by any means. In conclution, I call this story complete BS. More likely the OP passed out and fell on top of a sharp piece of metal, which cut him badly, lodged into his back, and then introduced tetnis and other nasty bacteria into his system; culminating in a very serious infection. Which btw, he was a complete and total moron not to seek medical assistance over. Sorry to burst your bubble but you're not a ballistics expert. Nor am I; however, I do know a bit about guns given that I've shot many, with many different types of ammunition, and have had to learn about all of them before using them. Lightweight 9mm soft point, for example, will fragment easily upon any impact -- even with human tissue -- and it's entirely possible to have a piece come off even if it 'grazes' you (they travel fast and fragment much easier than slower, heavier rds such as 230gr .45acp). So that point you made is moot. I mean, I get it, you wanted to have some fun so this post was a good excuse for doing so, but it makes me cringe to see someone explain ballistics who clearly has no experience with guns/bullets/wounds. If you were just trolling, then joke's on me I guess. As for his story, yeah, it's wild. He's in Colombia though. I have a friend who was there who was on a student trip with someone who was robbed in a taxi and nearly abducted. The guy ended up knifing the person in the kidney who trying to rob him in the back of the taxi (working with the driver), and the guy bled to death in the cab. The driver fled, and a cop car was in plain view of the entire incident. They told him to go home. He showed up later at the station to report the incident -- was met by the same cops who again told him to go home. Bottom line: Shit doesn't go down the way you think it justifiably should in certain areas in certain South American (and other) countries. It's totally possible to be shot or have something else happen after which no one reports the incident. edit: To throw my own two cents in, I too think it's a bogus story. But not for the reasons you mentioned. My issue with it is simple: If you're blackout drunk, how can you reliably recount what happened to you? He doesn't know what happened to him that night, plain and simple. Lol, if I wanted to be taken 100% serious I probably wouldn't have done the "diagram" in MS Paint. I was just trying to illustrate how absurd the story sounded. I realize that there are probable scenarios in which a bullet could have fragmented and lodged into his side; but they're all pretty remote. Columbia also isn't nearly as dangerous as it once was. Depends greatly on what cities you're in and in what neighborhoods. Eh.... I mean, if you wanted to show that, then maybe a more likely scenario should have been used. In your explanation you used physics assuming that the projectile is a ball hitting an even surface, which is not true. You also ignore fragmentation of the bullet. These aren't factors that you can just ignore, as they completely change the possibilities. And just because a story sounds absurd doesn't mean it isn't true. Crazier things have happened. Interestingly the myth busters did a show a few months back where they tested a bullet ricocheting off an asphault service. Not only did it ricochet with precisely the suspected angle of deflection, but the 9mm didn't fragment at all.
9mm soft point or full metal jacket?
I'll go ahead and guess it was the latter if there wasn't even any fragmentation off a hard surface. Soft point 9mm rds won't even exit your body due to fragmentation, let alone remain solid upon impacting hard asphalt.
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On July 04 2012 16:52 Waxangel wrote:bad karma for being a real madrid fan, pretty sure
was hanging out with with the wrong crowd apparently lol drugs are bad kids
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