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overlord shelves at naturals make me rage

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buckKeefe
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States63 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 05:29:48
July 02 2012 05:29 GMT
#1
i'm not going to bitch about balance because i think that's stupid in general, plus TvZ is still a strong matchup for me (60% wins over the past week in NA and EU masters).

nevertheless, trying to play TvZ on a map with an overlord shelf outside my natural pisses me off like nothing else (except DT drops but that's for another post). they seem completely unnecessary since the speed buff and they give zerg very useful scouting info with virtually no risk until 10+ minutes into the game.

i hate these things so fucking much that i have put together these highly professional infographics demonstrating why i think the natural overlord shelf should be relegated to the starcraft mapmaking compost heap with such inspired ideas as the cliff at the natural on lost temple and the low ground between main and 3rd on old TDA.

since the popular blogopshere is mostly just assembling vapid numbered lists these days, i present the most egregious offenders in countdown form. note that i am using a carefully calibrated 'f' to 'fuuuuuuuuuu' scale to rate each map, where more u's indicate more rage on a log scale.

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in conclusion, SDJFKLASJGFHALSDFS stop fucking making maps with these please.

****
P7GAB
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada486 Posts
July 02 2012 05:39 GMT
#2
agreed its so retarded
P7GAB
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada486 Posts
July 02 2012 05:51 GMT
#3
also this thread was hilarious
O.Golden_ne
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia204 Posts
July 02 2012 05:56 GMT
#4
haha =] as a zerg i should make one about scans or obs.
Like a baneling in a mineral line
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
July 02 2012 06:02 GMT
#5
3/5 for your rage. 5/5 for your unwillingness to make a single viking. :D

Thanks for making our lives easier.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
July 02 2012 06:20 GMT
#6
As a fellow terran player I'd also like to post my well-reasoned thoughts on this matter.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." - Aldous Huxley
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
July 02 2012 06:25 GMT
#7
On July 02 2012 15:02 Probe1 wrote:
3/5 for your rage. 5/5 for your unwillingness to make a single viking. :D

Thanks for making our lives easier.


Vikings are for dumbasses, Gimp is for winners :DDDD
In all seriousness vikings = stupid and take time away from making precious medivacs all 90000 of them over my deliciously marine heavy army MWUHAHAHAHA
User was warned for too many mimes.
Xyik
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada728 Posts
July 02 2012 06:29 GMT
#8
At least terrans can lift buildings for spotters, toss has to wait for observers or stargate.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 07:01:16
July 02 2012 07:00 GMT
#9
lol.

This was one of those good, funny, harmless sorts of rage posts. I enjoyed it.

You could make these for the other races too, easily for things like Scans, or Observers.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
July 02 2012 07:04 GMT
#10
Haha, loved the penthouse comment in no.2.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
July 02 2012 07:20 GMT
#11
On July 02 2012 14:56 O.Golden_ne wrote:
haha =] as a zerg i should make one about scans or obs.



lol yes. I found this post amusing also.
When I think of something else, something will go here
stilee
Profile Joined March 2012
25 Posts
July 02 2012 07:21 GMT
#12
Sauron overlord lol. :D
DRTnOOber
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
New Zealand476 Posts
July 02 2012 07:23 GMT
#13
They should just make Overlords cloaked like observers instead.
But I'm off creep... and so I slow down, what are hellions doing here? I don't belong here...
surfinbird1
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany999 Posts
July 02 2012 08:03 GMT
#14
Excellent blog. 5/5 for rage and hate. Die Overlord scum!
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
haxorz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States138 Posts
July 02 2012 08:05 GMT
#15
thanks for the tips
And theres the GG.
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 08:21:44
July 02 2012 08:21 GMT
#16
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Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
July 02 2012 09:30 GMT
#17
LOL - "As if this map isn't long enough already, any cheesy rushes have to hike the fucking Oregon Trail."

I see some players lift off a barracks to kill the overlord - before you swap addons, maybe?
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
VenomBRA
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands168 Posts
July 02 2012 10:06 GMT
#18
I thought the blog was ok, until I looked at the pics. LOL, great job!

mad mspaint skillz

Maps should have these spots better identified, like a heliport or overlord parking space
"We got a lot of nothing to say"
Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
July 02 2012 11:00 GMT
#19
As a Zerg player, I fucking LOVE Overlord shelves.

Had me laughing at the nature preserve thing
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BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
July 02 2012 11:21 GMT
#20
So much rage in those pics ahaha :D 5/5

Also yeah, fuck overlords.

Romanes eunt domus
ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
July 02 2012 11:24 GMT
#21
im a zerg and this blog was awesome ahahaha
fuuu comments had me laughing
dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
July 02 2012 13:39 GMT
#22
I think once I scan an area it should keep scanning for 2-3 minutes instead of a few seconds tbh. Zerg can keep their overlord parking spots.
vaL4r
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany240 Posts
July 02 2012 18:20 GMT
#23
I am happy now :3
You need to play starcraft with a light heart. If you play with a heavy heart, you can't win. -NaDa
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
July 02 2012 18:55 GMT
#24
Brb, I'm calling Superouman. He has better arguments than me.

In other news, Starport tech is really hard to get and making a viking takes a lot of skill.

1/5 scrub
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
July 02 2012 19:04 GMT
#25
Heh, even as a terran I dont agree but I still found this really funny. :D

5/5 !
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
July 02 2012 19:06 GMT
#26
On July 02 2012 18:30 Qwyn wrote:
LOL - "As if this map isn't long enough already, any cheesy rushes have to hike the fucking Oregon Trail."

I see some players lift off a barracks to kill the overlord - before you swap addons, maybe?


That's easy on Cloud Kingdom since you can build a rax at your natural choke and then lift it. On Daybreak, that overlord shelf is way too far away to do that. In either case, if you fail to kill the overlord, you'll eventually need to land your building and let the overlord come back.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
buckKeefe
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States63 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 20:09:47
July 02 2012 19:58 GMT
#27
On July 03 2012 03:55 Otolia wrote:
Brb, I'm calling Superouman. He has better arguments than me.

In other news, Starport tech is really hard to get and making a viking takes a lot of skill.

1/5 scrub


i dont really wanna get in an argument about this because my post was mostly a joke (did you look at the pictures?) but this has come up a few times so i wanna talk a little bit about some actual thoughts:

'y u no float?' i usually open with the 1rax FE->reactor hellion->banshee style with fast 3rd OC. rax float is really not an option with this style. obviously the rax starts out walling the ramp to the main to stop any early chogolings runbys. the rax makes marines constantly up to 4 then builds a reactor for the fact, which i also prefer to keep in my main. after the reactor, it makes the techlab for the starport which, again, i want to hide as best as possible in my main. then it makes another tech lab after my first banshee (i go mech so i add 2 facts and give them that rax techlab plus the one from the starport after my 2nd banshee). so, by the time i have a building ready to float, i might as well just make a viking anyway.

'y u no viking? n00b' i do, but with the typical opener i describe above that viking comes out 10+ minutes into the game (edit: checked a couple replays, typical timing is slightly past 11 minutes). try to do it any earlier and it totally fucks up the build because fast 3rd CC is only safe if i can apply pressure with hellions and banshees - my only other units are 4 marines in a bunker until i start tank/thor production after the 2nd banshee. i'm not really sure why zerg deserves free scouting of my front up until that viking -- yes terran has imba scans, but they have a big opportunity cost (even more mega-imba mule) and they don't last indefinitely.

either way there is no way im making a viking in time to hide my 11/11 rax SCV pull or my 2base hellion/marauder all in.

anyway, i dont want to turn this into an actual TvZ debate because i think the matchup overall is fine, i just think that the overlord shelf is a big advantage that is no longer needed with overlord speed buffs. before the buffs a decent terran could snipe/redirect overlords with their first marine or two, now we cant, and that makes me all fuuuuuuuuuuu.

thanks all for the feedback, glad a lot of you liked it :D
Mavvie
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Canada923 Posts
July 03 2012 20:28 GMT
#28
I agree with you, but even if we had our overlords in plain sight, we'll still see your 2base hellion/marauder all in bro those guys can't shoot up.

I must say, I did find this most entertaining to read
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