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Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
June 20 2012 20:38 GMT
#1
Hey guys, I just started a new blog that might be interesting/helpful to TLers so I'll cross-post it here. Let me know what you think!

From http://eriktheredtv.wordpress.com/

To kick things off I’m going to go over a topic that a lot of StarCraft players talk about but may not fully understand — ladder mindset. I consider myself a mass-gamer, which means that I ladder for large chunks of time but not necessarily with a consistent schedule. The way my classes/internships/obligations line up tends to leave me with a few 3+ hour segments during the week that I can fully devote to laddering. For the last few months I’ve just sort of assumed that playing more games would directly correlate to an increase in skill– I always took it upon myself to watch my losses, tweak my builds, watch pro games, etc. I felt that my mechanics were getting quite decent, and that my game understanding was also developing at a pretty good rate. So why was my MMR not steadily increasing from low-mid Masters NA? I began to notice it was even decreasing to some degree which was just making me really frustrated.

Last night I was assembling a replay pack for someone which required watching about 50+ of my replays from the last 3 months at 8x speed. This is something I’ve never really done before, because I didn’t think it would yield any significant analysis. I mean, my mechanics are solid– I’m not going to suddenly realize that I never build workers after 9 minutes. I always analyze my games under the microscope and think about things like, “If I can get away with one less sentry before my stargate and not die, I can get my robotics a few seconds sooner”, etc. If you were to ask me yesterday why I lose most of my games, I would have listed the following reasons: losing to cheese because I’m tired, macroing/microing poorly when I’m trying a new build, getting supply blocked for a few seconds before hitting a timing. And while these things actually do happen to me from time to time, those reasons account for far fewer losses than it seemed. It turned out that there was another more serious problem with my playstyle that I have always overlooked.

What I realized is that my kill timing SUCKS. In SO MANY GAMES I’ll get a decent advantage and instead of taking another expo and scouting for hidden bases I’ll just keep pushing into shitty positions. For example, in so many PvTs I will be ahead in econ, hit a storm timing and deny the terran’s 3rd base but then keep swarming in units to the natural when it’s like 120 supply vs 100 supply. Suddenly he stims and pulls SCVs and I have to rebuild all my expensive units, sans an extra base that I could have easily taken. the rest of the game is either me losing to a good counterattack or me barely holding on due to my superior mechanics at my MMR range.

So why the heck was I not remembering any of these losses? I could have sworn I was losing to more specific things — getting supply blocked, not getting a zealot flank on a 1/1/1 push, missing a forcefield vs a roach rush. The thing is, when you play a bunch of games at a time you tend to remember the most painful losses and not the ones where you slowly gave away an advantage.

I think the lesson to be learned is that if you deeply analyze any one replay you can always find minor things to improve on. While these small things are important, it’s not until you step back and watch a ton of replays at 8x speed that you will start to notice the broader flaws in your playstyle and can begin improving at a much greater rate.

Hope that was helpful!

Please follow me on Twitter @ErikTheRedTV and tune in to my live stream at http://www.twitch.tv/eriktheredtv!



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beg
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
991 Posts
June 20 2012 21:26 GMT
#2
amazing insight you've gotten on your own game. i hope i can make use of this for my CS skills, haha. D::




i seriously think that literally every progamer could have revelations like that. especially thinking about idra here. no hate intended. i really wish he would become conscious of his problems in exactly the same way.
.Sic.
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)497 Posts
June 21 2012 00:46 GMT
#3
i dont think this is much of an insight
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Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 01:39:00
June 21 2012 01:38 GMT
#4
On June 21 2012 09:46 .Sic. wrote:
i dont think this is much of an insight


The point of this story is to highlight how important it is to analyze yourself from a different perspective every so often. What seems obvious to one person might be overlooked by someone else. Believe me, I've heard Artosis' mantra on "getting more ahead" about a thousand times but by and large I was not following those rules and I didn't even realize it until I was in a different mindset.

"See you space cowboy"
iS.Mike
Profile Joined September 2011
37 Posts
June 21 2012 06:56 GMT
#5
It seems that you are just feeling the effects of fatigue that come along with your mass-laddering, and that is what is leading you to get impatient and try to end games quickly. Personally, I always play a macro game if my opponent doesn't make a mistake that gives me a definite kill timing.

While mass-laddering may not help your understanding of the game as much as analyzing replays, it has certainly improved your mechanics that you claim are above your MMR range. What's important is to find a balance between games and replays so that both your mechanics and decision making improve at an equal rate. This way you are not left with one glaring weakness in your gameplay.
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 15:51:33
June 21 2012 15:50 GMT
#6
On June 21 2012 15:56 Demigod18x wrote:
It seems that you are just feeling the effects of fatigue that come along with your mass-laddering, and that is what is leading you to get impatient and try to end games quickly. Personally, I always play a macro game if my opponent doesn't make a mistake that gives me a definite kill timing.

While mass-laddering may not help your understanding of the game as much as analyzing replays, it has certainly improved your mechanics that you claim are above your MMR range. What's important is to find a balance between games and replays so that both your mechanics and decision making improve at an equal rate. This way you are not left with one glaring weakness in your gameplay.


That's a good point, I think I do start to get impatient when I play a lot of games even if I'm not really aware of it at the time. I've noticed that playing 10 games that last for 10 minutes each still feels way less exhausting than playing a 40 minute macro game, probably because I'm making way more decisions in the longer match.

Also hurry back from EU so we can play some customs
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dGHaiL
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States177 Posts
June 21 2012 17:33 GMT
#7
You say you tend to remember the most painful losses and not the ones where you slowly gave away an advantage.

For me, those are the most painful losses - where I know I have a clear advantage I just don't know how to push it or to keep it. It's usually TvP where this happens. I had a game where I killed his army, and instead of pushing into his natural and risking losing my entire bio force to a few sentries and colossi, I denied his third and took my own fourth base. I ended up losing the game because I allowed him to build an army of colossi and high templar from two base, and he pushed out and rolled me over when I wasn't watching my army for three seconds.

Those are the most painful - you need to stay right on top of toss and keep their colossi count low. I had vikings - I should have been darting in and sniping the colossi as there's no way he could match my 4 base viking production with 2 base stalkers and colossi. I should have been sniping his high templar before he moved out.

Those are the most painful losses for me and the ones that I tend to remember.
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