so i've been at TL since 2004-05, and watched bw's rise and fall T_T
have been pretty resentful of sc2 so far but since hybrid proleague started today i decided to give it a chance and watch my favourite bw progamers play sc2 lol.
i haven't really tried watching sc2 that much, only a little like..ages ago. then i gave up on it lol.
so far all the SC2 games have been pretty shitty and i know its because they've only played for 1-2 months...but still. Watching two players just FE, mass up and NR15, then after 1 big deathball engagement (which actually doesn't really look that big..), someone GGs is pretty damned boring. Anyway everyone's saying that they look like they're playing 2010 SC2.
so i want to ask all you sc2 fans.
I wanna see whats '2012 SC2'. Show me the coolest freaking most exciting VOD you know! I'm ready to give sc2 another chance right now. show me that SC2 isn't just NR15 deathball clump into GG.
When i started watching BW progaming, videos like these
hyped me up like HELL. maybe you can show me something similar for sc2
if you have the time, I would appreciate it if you could write a short blurb about the VOD and what makes it so epic. I barely know the sc2 units except for their names so any quick notes or summaries would be really helpful.
what fucking assholes gave my blog a 1 star rating. sheesh. thanks to the people that suggested games. going to watch them soon.
To be honest. You really aren't going to see anything comparable to bw highlights in sc2. Sc2 is all deathball vs deathball. Unless its 4 gate vs 4 gate pvp. battles are masses vs masses. Micro isn't really as big of an issue as it was in bw or war3.
to be honest the bw players aren't that good at sc2 yet. Effort looks decent, same with Jangbi. but again, its very old school play.
This happened a few days ago actually. 30 minutes into the game, all expansions are taken on the map and MVP has transitioned into BCs (which at this point is like seeing someone play bio in bw tvp)
I tried really hard during TSL3 because it was TSL. I couldn't watch it anymore once BoxeR was out.
Everyone says the game is much more enjoyable to watch than it was during TSL3, but the clumping units, the lack of contrast, the terrible sound effects, and the bad observers are still keeping me far away from SC2.
I read that thread today about how KeSPA observers were much better than usual SC2 observers, so I believe that point can improve with time.
This happened a few days ago actually. 30 minutes into the game, all expansions are taken on the map and MVP has transitioned into BCs (which at this point is like seeing someone play bio in bw tvp)
haha that looked pretty cool.. so why did he choose to use BCs instead of whatever is the norm for lategame tvp?
This happened a few days ago actually. 30 minutes into the game, all expansions are taken on the map and MVP has transitioned into BCs (which at this point is like seeing someone play bio in bw tvp)
haha that looked pretty cool.. so why did he choose to use BCs instead of whatever is the norm for lategame tvp?
He had so much money, and since standard TvP lategame engagements usually end out to protoss favor, and if they end out in Terran favor, the protoss just instawarpins 70+ zealots and they are even again.
MVP knew that, therefore he tried BC's, and it almost worked.
Go watch DRG vs MKP in winter championships or winter arena MKP vs DRG G5 MKP vs DRG G6 MKP vs DRG G7 G7 is probably the best because Bio is just so difficult to pull off against zerg in TvZ and MKP does it.
I remember this game I saw that was amazing... and not who was playing or what tournament. Sooooooooooo... I will look for it and try to post it later today. ^^
It may just end up being the case that the way SC2 plays isn't something you enjoy, but I really wouldn't base whether you'd enjoy watching SC2 off the level of play the BW players have in their SC2 games right now - they're obviously amazing players but it's apparent to anyone who has been following SC2 that they're very new to it and don't seem to understand many of the subtleties or way the game (in the current metagame) flows or progresses. A few play at a decent level (around Code A or foreigner standard) but I have no doubt they'll be playing at a significantly better level given a few more months.
The thing that scared me the most was not the quality of the SC2 games in PL, but the fact that people were actually labeling them as pretty decent games...If these kind of games are considered pretty good by SC2 standards then I don't know what to say.
On May 20 2012 23:04 writer22816 wrote: The thing that scared me the most was not the quality of the SC2 games in PL, but the fact that people were actually labeling them as pretty decent games...If these kind of games are considered pretty good by SC2 standards then I don't know what to say.
Most of the games weren't close to Code S standard, but they were definitely decent given the short practice time the pros have had, and the nature of the hybrid format.
@OP: I wasn't able to find them myself, but I'd recommend you taking a look at MMA vs. DongRaeGu game 7 (Blizzard cup Grand Finals, but the entire series was pretty good). It's generally considered one of the better games we've seen so far in SCII. I'm sure there are more (Jjakji vs. Leenock comes to mind, as does the recent MVP vs. Squirtle games 4-7), but that's the most prominent one I can think of.
If you want small tactical games you'll be hard pressed to find them, TvZ is generally the best matchup for stiff like that. For a good watch is suggest drg v mma game 7
Or the whole IdrA bomber series when IdrA was on a roll
On May 20 2012 23:04 writer22816 wrote: The thing that scared me the most was not the quality of the SC2 games in PL, but the fact that people were actually labeling them as pretty decent games...If these kind of games are considered pretty good by SC2 standards then I don't know what to say.
Most of the games weren't close to Code S standard, but they were definitely decent given the short practice time the pros have had, and the nature of the hybrid format.
@OP: I wasn't able to find them myself, but I'd recommend you taking a look at MMA vs. DongRaeGu game 7 (Blizzard cup Grand Finals, but the entire series was pretty good). It's generally considered one of the better games we've seen so far in SCII. I'm sure there are more (Jjakji vs. Leenock comes to mind, as does the recent MVP vs. Squirtle games 4-7), but that's the most prominent one I can think of.
I can't imagine SC2 capturing the Korean BW audience. The game were on par with actually bad BW games. I don't find SC2 particularly interesting, but the games today were just bad. ;/
my question (genuine ignorance coming). Are any of those hype videos from the first two years of broodwar play? - Because of maps, because of constant patching, because of people learning (though some like to claim that the learning curve is much faster for people because they're switching from broodwar/more internet communication/more vods and things/etc...), because people tend to get stuck doing the same thing until they're forced to change (but don't really have to because blizzard pats them on the butt and fixes it for them), because it's still only 2 years old, sc2 is still developing a lot. I don't know if there's anything that's going to genuinely excite a person coming from the peak of development of a game they loved.
On May 20 2012 23:22 Angel_ wrote: my question (genuine ignorance coming). Are any of those hype videos from the first two years of broodwar play? - Because of maps, because of constant patching, because of people learning (though some like to claim that the learning curve is much faster for people because they're switching from broodwar/more internet communication/more vods and things/etc...), because people tend to get stuck doing the same thing until they're forced to change (but don't really have to because blizzard pats them on the butt and fixes it for them), because it's still only 2 years old, sc2 is still developing a lot. I don't know if there's anything that's going to genuinely excite a person coming from the peak of development of a game they loved.
Most of these videos are 4-5 years in, but the "macro mentality" that SC2 currently has was only 1-2 years in the making here. BW by this time was patch-stable (no more changes to unit/building stats), players were discovering how powerful a macro-oriented playstyle was, and how applying micro-based positioning and tactics to larger armies yielded better results.
To give a comparison in skill level, a B level iCCup player today would probably be competitive with many pro players from the iloveoov era of 2004-2005.
Fast tanks after expo allow an interesting 2 base timing, before transitioning into the more stable unit compositions with MMA attacking everywhere around the map while Creator fends him off. Several very well managed big engagements too.
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I'd recommend the MMA/Creator game more I think, a few tanks off a FE is a bit more common than a banshee follow up
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