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How to go from low/mid masters to high masters/gm?
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IMoperator
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
Or you can start cheesing and playing with some real build orders. | ||
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imanoobcs
184 Posts
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-Exalt-
United States972 Posts
I get to a certain point in masters (generally against top 8 players) where all ins just stop working. you have to really be tricky / metagame to make an all in work (which is why most all ins in GSL incorporate some metagame etc). ie you can't just straight up 8 gate a good zerg and except him not to have roaches in time, or void ray all in a terran and expect him not to scout your lack of nexus + your extra gas and make turrets in time etc. for me, I can't stand PvP. macro games are incredibly boring and annoying.thus as my mmr goes up, i lose a lot of PvPs compared to my PvT/PvZ where I play straight up macro because I try to all in, and it just doesn't work against good players =/ | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
But huge differences are those 3 (multi tasking to). If you tend to forget to macro or something when pressure is being put on, that is something that needs to be fixed, if when you are fighting you always forget to macro up until the battles almost over, that's a huge one. Just lots of tiny things that need to be fixed to go from that mid master to high. | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On May 05 2012 17:27 -Exalt- wrote: less allining, more scouting / reactive macro play IMO I get to a certain point in masters (generally against top 8 players) where all ins just stop working. you have to really be tricky / metagame to make an all in work (which is why most all ins in GSL incorporate some metagame etc). ie you can't just straight up 8 gate a good zerg and except him not to have roaches in time, or void ray all in a terran and expect him not to scout your lack of nexus + your extra gas and make turrets in time etc. for me, I can't stand PvP. macro games are incredibly boring and annoying.thus as my mmr goes up, i lose a lot of PvPs compared to my PvT/PvZ where I play straight up macro because I try to all in, and it just doesn't work against good players =/ I almost always do a 1 rax expo variant but I lose often to opponents cheesing me. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On May 05 2012 17:45 IMoperator wrote: I almost always do a 1 rax expo variant but I lose often to opponents cheesing me. then you're doing something wrong because if you scout it's hard to lose to cheese with 1rax cc. what kind of allins are you losing to? you should also use sc2gears and have a look at how many games you're actually losing to cheese... i feel like i've lost a ton to stupid protoss shit recently but when i actually looked at my winrate i was like +6 in my last 15 tvps. it can be pretty misleading because you just remember the really frustrating losses and don't remember the wins. | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
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TemujinGK
United States483 Posts
On May 05 2012 18:25 CecilSunkure wrote: It's a combination of many things. Well this was a helpful post wasn't it. I think that others have mentioned that scouting is really important and I can't echo that enough. At the highest level of non-professional/semi-professional play which you've nearly breached getting constant information is really important. Moreover constantly readjusting to it is very important as well. I know you've said your builds are standard but perhaps you should generate some more generic openings (as in as mentioned some extremely early expansions) that allow you to play more reactively. I.e. for a long while i was able to get away with early heavy tank production and extra orbitals because the metagame was all infestor ling, but now people throw in muta builds like was the metagame months before and I would like you have go on huge win/loss streaks depending on these shifts. | ||
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3579 Posts
Practising 1/2 base builds forces you to work with what you got and what you're restricted to and makes you a really strong player for anything past that | ||
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sieksdekciw
240 Posts
On May 05 2012 16:12 IMoperator wrote: Not quite sure how to do this. My builds are pretty standard, and I do alright on the ladder but I can never seem to get past the rank 25 area. I always go on huge streaks, both winning and losing. I play quite a bit, but I don't seem to be getting any better. It just seems like I'm treading water, if that makes sense. I've been around this rank for 3 seasons now, I'm not quite sure how all these high masters players actually got there. I am a high masters terran on EU (ranked 1 in my division currently) I am not sure how I got here. Maybe it is the 7 hours a day I used to play warcraft, maybe it is my hatred for zerg and toss players. But it's a fact I am here, with 3 masters accounts, with 9 terrans in total in my division, with a burning dislike against zerg and tosses and with the conviction I am better than all of them and all of them, if they played terran, would be at most diamond. So, be cocky, play a lot. | ||
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Bobo_XIII
United States429 Posts
On May 05 2012 17:29 blade55555 wrote: Mechanics, decision making and scouting. Also it depends how much you play, if you are only playing a few games a day it's hard to improve that way and get to that level. But huge differences are those 3 (multi tasking to). If you tend to forget to macro or something when pressure is being put on, that is something that needs to be fixed, if when you are fighting you always forget to macro up until the battles almost over, that's a huge one. Just lots of tiny things that need to be fixed to go from that mid master to high. Blade nailed it. This is the Holy Trinity of good play. Mentality is a huge thing, too. Don't expect to be good; you have to know that you're subpar and every aspect of your play needs work. Goals high, expectations low. | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
My "advice"? Second guess yourself in replays more. Learn to all in better, Axslav said he got to GM players fast on one of his other accounts by 7 gating in PvZ and PvT every game. (I'm guessing he just did whatever in PvP) | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
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warcralft
Singapore609 Posts
6 pool into GM. There's a guide about it. | ||
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