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Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
May 03 2012 00:53 GMT
#41
On May 03 2012 08:58 Aelonius wrote:
This discussion is worthless purely because the definition of racism is already flawed at it's core.
Aside of that it's really bothering me that some people can be so stuck up about an expression and pull it out of context just to shit on the person who said it. Look at Orb, he messed up and people started to shit on him for it. Really immature in my view.

Regarding racism, I like to quote the definitions on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism)

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Racism is generally understood as either belief that different racial groups are characterized by intrinsic characteristics or abilities and that some such groups are therefore naturally superior to others [1][2] or as practices that discriminate against members of particular racial groups,[1] for example by perpetuating unequal access to resources between groups.[3]


This would imply that we're basing our judgement off the "race" of an individual. Yet there is the following line a little while further:
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The definition of racism is controversial both because there is little scholarly agreement about what the word "race" means, and because there is also little agreement about what does and doesn't constitute discrimination.


So we're looking at a term (Racism) where we're not even clear about the definition of "race" and how this works.
This leads me to say one simple thing. You can only stop racism when you stop marking all comments that are a little edgy as racist. The more you stamp the "racism" sign on things, the stronger it keeps coming back.


Well, you can use a more accurate term like "xenophobia", the idea remains the same : each person defines a certain group as his own and will reject those outside of it.

Also, NegroidZerg, I mean, what? Haha.
Other than that, the video contradicts itself because it empasizes context and claims that words are neutral although they carry a certain history, which is part of that context.
For example, we use the term "beotian" to qualify simple-minded people. Why? Because Athens, at the peak of her glory, looked down upon her weak pastoral neighbours among which was the region of Beotia.

Words don't appear out of thin air, they have a past, and it's often that past that gives them meaning, not the attitude of the person who uses them. If very polite lady told me that she saw "niggers" on the television, I would no doubt consider that she probably has a problem against blacks, even though she said if in a soft, polite way.
Not only that, but the topic was more on how peole can use "nigger" as an insult. If words are all neutral, than how come such a term is used and perceived as an insult?
Le long pour l'un pour l'autre est court (le mot-à-mot du mot "amour").
Kh0rne
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia85 Posts
May 03 2012 01:11 GMT
#42
the problem with insults is that the person recieving them interprets the meaning and gives the insult power.
The person dishing out the insult may really mean it, they may be fishing for a reaction, or they may be using it as "generic insult 253"

if a black person simply stops caring if they were called a nigger, the word loses all power and becomes just like any other insult (asshole, poopyhead, dicknose)
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
May 03 2012 02:50 GMT
#43
i think people who care about saying it are really stuck up. i have a black friend and we both call each other n*ggers, and its for the lulz.

now i wouldn't go up and call some black dude a n*gger, because that would be fucking stupid on my part, but using it online just towards someone (who generally isn't black, how many black people play sc2?) i think shouldn't be read as offensive.

pretty much: if someone is cool with it, then who cares. don't run up to a black guy and call him one, though, for obvious reasons.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
May 03 2012 03:02 GMT
#44
When people are incredibly pissed they just say the meanest thing they can think of. In America, the worst word is probably nigger. That's the only real reason. It doesn't necessarily imply any racism or anything, just that when you think of mean words and you're American, it's definitely one of the first things that comes up.

Of course it being taken out of that context tends to lead to much unneeded drama, even outside of sc2.
Anacletus
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States733 Posts
May 03 2012 03:11 GMT
#45
I just get irritated at people who say "well black people call each other the N word, that means I can use it too"

No, ignorant people use the N word and they may happen to be of any race, white, black, purple, blue, that doesn't make it okay. There just isn't a good metaphor for what I'm trying to say, but I'll do my best: if my friend likes to wear red hats, and this other group of guys also wears hats like to get their cars keyed, does that make it okay to key my friends car?

Okay that was bad, I hope you chuckled at my fail metaphor like I did xD
http://talk-to-stimey-please.1324083.n2.nabble.com/
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
May 03 2012 03:47 GMT
#46
Just out of curiosity, do people really never stereotype white people? I mean, I hear it all the time. Referring to something as a "white" thing to do, or calling someone a hick or trailer trash. If anything I think its more socially acceptable to stereotype the white race than any other race. Sort of like how in TV its far more acceptable to have the husband be the dull/dumb and lazy one in the marriage instead of the wife.
rkffhk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 14:13:03
May 03 2012 13:09 GMT
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Salut,

Je suis louisiannais et je peux expliquer a vous l'origine et la raison pourquoi le mot "N" est interdit dans la culture americaine.

Puisque je viens de l'endroit laquelle on appelle le "Deep South" (le Sud Profond) aux Etats-Unis, je pense que mon opinion serait le plus veritable de votre thread.

J'y avais deja posté, disant qu'il "faut terminer cet discussion." Ceci est a cause du fait que les gens de TL ne savent rien a propos de la raison. Y en a plusieurs qui ont deja dit des choses qui sont proche de la raison, mais ceci n'est pas assez important.

Bien que la plupart du peuple americain se sont grandit entouré d'opinion que le mot "N" est mal (et ceci est tellement vrai - ne soyez pas confusé avec ceci), la plupart de peuple americain ne savent pas l'histoire du mot.

Voici l'histoire:

Je suis certain que vous sachez deja l'exchange des africains aux pays d'Europe et aussi au Monde Nouveau. Je vais pas le discuter, donc.

En anglais, on apprend a l'ecole que cet exchange a ete appelé le "Middle Passage" (Chemin Moyen).

A cause de la racisme, et aussi de l'esclavage, les gens ont ete consideré "Sous-humain."

A cause de ca, il etait devenu ce mot "N" pour distinguer entre les esclaves et les "freemen" (hommes libres -- c'est 1 mot en anglais). Plus tard, les peuple ignorants ont changé le mot pour identifier ceux qui ont eu le peau noir en général. (Et puis, dans le monde d'aujourd'hui, il veut dire simplement un "sous-humain")


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Eh oui, voici la raison veritable pourquoi les gens le degoute:

Il renforce très efficacement une société ancienne laquelle le peuple americain veut oublier.

Quand on dit ce mot "N", c'est une insulte a tous les peuple qui ont battu avec la racisme et la privation des droits civiques. C'est plus grande que les gens noirs, bien que l'origine du mot vient de ce monde ancien. Il nous fait s'en faire a propos des problemes lesquelles on pensait qu'on avait deja résolu... un fantome du monde ancien. Il est une symbole de la honte.

Mais les nations d'europe ont des choses similares. L'angleterre et L'ireland. Le suedes et les danes. La russie et les finns. Les coréenes et les japanois. Les chinois et les vietnamiens. Y a autant d'autres examples et je suis certain que vous pourriez s'en rencontre si vous voulez.

Ca fait les gens noirs s'en faire de son histoire, ou l'organization de la société était très different.

Dans votre thread, vous avez parlé de l'expresion "sale arabe." La raison que ce mot existe, c'est pour renforcer la superiorité de "nous" contre "eux". C'est pour renforcer qu'on est "sous-humain." La seule difference de le mot "N" contre l'expresion de quoi vous avez parlé? C'est de l'histoire du monde qui persiste aujourd'hui.

Le peuple americain a autant des chose a qui il faut se ressentir de la honte. Ceci est le symbol le plus souvent discuté.

Je pense maitenant a Kanye West qui a dit dans une de ces chansons, "Bien que on est dans un Mercedes-Benz, on n'est qu'un ["mot N"] avec un coupé." (link)

Voila, donc. Bonsoir de la corée du sud.
"Did not realize gold was such an important threshold for people, I guess I honestly take it for granted that if people practice / invest enough time into this game then they would make diamond in no time." ~Caihead
Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
May 03 2012 14:00 GMT
#48
On May 03 2012 10:11 Kh0rne wrote:
the problem with insults is that the person recieving them interprets the meaning and gives the insult power.
The person dishing out the insult may really mean it, they may be fishing for a reaction, or they may be using it as "generic insult 253"

if a black person simply stops caring if they were called a nigger, the word loses all power and becomes just like any other insult (asshole, poopyhead, dicknose)


Wait, you mean it's my fault if someone calls me "a fucking chickenfucker" and I feel insulted?

On May 03 2012 12:02 Odal wrote:
When people are incredibly pissed they just say the meanest thing they can think of. In America, the worst word is probably nigger. That's the only real reason. It doesn't necessarily imply any racism or anything, just that when you think of mean words and you're American, it's definitely one of the first things that comes up.

Of course it being taken out of that context tends to lead to much unneeded drama, even outside of sc2.


I guess this could explain the use of that word, but still, why that word? In France the worse might be "fils de pute" (son of a bitch), and you can easily understand why it's offensive : your mohter has seen many men, she deserves no respect, etc, etc.

On May 03 2012 12:47 MrDudeMan wrote:
Just out of curiosity, do people really never stereotype white people? I mean, I hear it all the time. Referring to something as a "white" thing to do, or calling someone a hick or trailer trash. If anything I think its more socially acceptable to stereotype the white race than any other race. Sort of like how in TV its far more acceptable to have the husband be the dull/dumb and lazy one in the marriage instead of the wife.


What? Movies are filled with black and asian stereotypes. They even have a name : tokens. Rmember Token from South Part? He's a reference to that. It's the serie's black guy.
And as far as I'm concerned, being called "white boy" isn't that offensive, I perceive it more as a mild mockery that states that I'm bad at basketball and I like Indie rock. I just doesn't seem natural to find it offensive because society doesn't consider it so.

On May 03 2012 22:09 rkffhk wrote:
Hello.

I am from the deep south (Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama)..

Kindly stop this discussion.

I will PM the op and explain everything. I have read every post in this thread and nobody is really answering the question directly, so I will do it for him.

Because the op is French, and because I am originally from Louisiana, which is basically "New France" (they speak French there), I will be able to explain it to him properly.

That is all I have to say on this topic. Please end this thread.


Erm okay, but why should we stop talking about this? I believe it does no harm to anyone, as long as we keep it civil.
Le long pour l'un pour l'autre est court (le mot-à-mot du mot "amour").
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
May 03 2012 15:53 GMT
#49
On May 02 2012 15:41 Sinensis wrote:
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On May 02 2012 13:38 coZy wrote:
STOP. THIS. FUCKING. DISCUSSION. Holy shit, TL, really? We don't need 500,000 threads since 2010 about racism and thoughts on it. There's been plenty of things happening in the community (ie: orb incident, stuff with destiny), but who gives a fuck? We don't need all these fucking threads.


That's why he blogged it. Why are your panties in a wad?


What's wrong with wearing panties, are you sexist?

BRB going to make a blog about sexism.
Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
May 03 2012 16:20 GMT
#50
You could, it's very healthy to ask questions.
Le long pour l'un pour l'autre est court (le mot-à-mot du mot "amour").
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
May 03 2012 16:41 GMT
#51
On May 03 2012 10:11 Kh0rne wrote:
if a black person simply stops caring if they were called a nigger, the word loses all power and becomes just like any other insult (asshole, poopyhead, dicknose)


Why do people believe this? It is simply not true.
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