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bigwig123
163 Posts
On May 02 2012 11:34 dAPhREAk wrote: only ignorant people use "nigger" to bm other people on the ladder. trying to understand their rationality behind using the word is an exercise in futility. i use nigger all the time to bm people and i dont think im ignorant im just an asshole | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
No other word really comes close. "Faggot" has analogous social status but is less offensive. "Motherfucker" is somewhat strong but very generic. "Asshole," "Douchebag," et al are just on a lower level, and anything else is being creative and therefore not offensive. edit: "kike" is probably almost as strong, but less common and I think even the ignorant types who say things like "nigger" don't want to think of themselves as nazis? idk. "Cunt" is extremely offensive but only used against women (stronger version of "bitch" which means very different things for women vs. men). | ||
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
So rather than go the final step and try not to be a racist and a homophobe, you get stuck in the details. You try to rationalize your own racism and homophobia as seen in your second paragraph : "racism is human nature as seen here here and here! and I think gays are feminine and we french have always called people dirty arabs so its ok to use as an insult!". You try to then assume that everyone else is interested in discussing your -- frankly, stupid -- rationalizations, where in fact some common sense would tell you that there is absolutely never any reason or circumstance where homophobia or racism is alright at all, much less logical or justified. This is mystifiying. Just go the final step and try to change yourself as a person rather than desperately trying not to get away from the status quo. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
Critical investigation of such things IS the method of demystification. Analysis != "rationalization." | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On May 02 2012 13:38 coZy wrote: STOP. THIS. FUCKING. DISCUSSION. Holy shit, TL, really? We don't need 500,000 threads since 2010 about racism and thoughts on it. There's been plenty of things happening in the community (ie: orb incident, stuff with destiny), but who gives a fuck? We don't need all these fucking threads. That's why he blogged it. Why are your panties in a wad? | ||
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FractalsOnFire
Australia1756 Posts
Shit Fuck Cunt. Varying degrees of 'offensiveness' to different people. Some people absolutely hate those three words, some others only hate two and some just hate one. Its funny to think that i like to use the word 'gook' as a pejorative for asian but the majority of my asian buddies don't even find it offensive because they haven't been exposed to it in that context. Even i don't find it that offensive, unless said in an extremely negative manner (then again that applies to any insult). Also, a pejorative term for Arab would be 'sand nigger'. At least that's what i learnt in high school. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10777 Posts
On May 02 2012 12:44 iTzSnypah wrote: Nigger has degraded into just another worthless demeaning word ever since rap embraced it. This. Get over it. I met some Guy from Bristol (UK if you don't know) recently and he was constantly asking for "Fags" (Cigarettes", had me laughing a little everytime :D. Words are just words... | ||
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Mysti_
France185 Posts
On May 02 2012 12:26 Kukaracha wrote: And to those who believe they are just insults like any other, then how come you don't call people white? And doesn't the term nigger, for example, perpetrate through common vocabulary a certain idea of black people, instead of "diluting" it? I think you totally misunderstood the meaning of the word. Nigger =/= "noir" in french, it's translation is "nègre". This word was used to denote slaves and imply that they are inferior to white people. So when calling someone a nigger, the insult comes from the feeling of superiority the user wants to express by calling you inferior, not the skin color or geographic provenance. (Thats why they don't need to know you are black to call you nigger, the term has just evolved from a sole denomination of black people some centuries ago to an insult usable no matter the skin color.) | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On May 02 2012 13:38 coZy wrote: STOP. THIS. FUCKING. DISCUSSION. Holy shit, TL, really? We don't need 500,000 threads since 2010 about racism and thoughts on it. There's been plenty of things happening in the community (ie: orb incident, stuff with destiny), but who gives a fuck? We don't need all these fucking threads. Hey, this is my blog sir. If I want to talk about carrots, I will talk about carros, or chairs, or German ontology. On May 02 2012 14:38 Jinsho wrote: OP, you are a racist and a homophobe. By your personal admission. You are actually in full realization of this. You are self-faware. So rather than go the final step and try not to be a racist and a homophobe, you get stuck in the details. You try to rationalize your own racism and homophobia as seen in your second paragraph : "racism is human nature as seen here here and here! and I think gays are feminine and we french have always called people dirty arabs so its ok to use as an insult!". You try to then assume that everyone else is interested in discussing your -- frankly, stupid -- rationalizations, where in fact some common sense would tell you that there is absolutely never any reason or circumstance where homophobia or racism is alright at all, much less logical or justified. This is mystifiying. Just go the final step and try to change yourself as a person rather than desperately trying not to get away from the status quo. Read the OP again. I don't think gays are feminine, or that Arabs are dirty. And quite frankly, I think you're being a tremendous hypocrite because, yes, racism is very common and is the one of the most common reactions when faced with the unkown. Ethnology has underlined this for decades. Contempt towards strangers - and hate when they're even physically different - can be found in the vocabulary of many tribes who use terms such as "ghost", "subhuman" or "half-human" to mean "stranger". The worse kind of people believe themselves to be all-loving and make no effort towards being civil to others, simply because they think it's natural. Eichmann, for example, was a very simple and kind man... At least read the Wikipedia entry on Hannah Arendt. On May 02 2012 21:16 Mysti_ wrote: I think you totally misunderstood the meaning of the word. Nigger =/= "noir" in french, it's translation is "nègre". This word was used to denote slaves and imply that they are inferior to white people. So when calling someone a nigger, the insult comes from the feeling of superiority the user wants to express by calling you inferior, not the skin color or geographic provenance. (Thats why they don't need to know you are black to call you nigger, the term has just evolved from a sole denomination of black people some centuries ago to an insult usable no matter the skin color.) But again, a "nègre" is a black person. Arab or white slaves weren't called "nègres". How is it OK to associate blacks with inferiority? And if words are words, would you stay calm if I called your mother a "whore" in front of you? I'm also curious at what would happen if I called people on the ladder "white boys", I might try that sometime. | ||
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Xiron
Germany1233 Posts
On May 02 2012 22:09 Kukaracha wrote: But again, a "nègre" is a black person. Arab or white slaves weren't called "nègres". How is it OK to associate blacks with inferiority? And if words are words, would you stay calm if I called your mother a "whore" in front of you? I'm also curious at what would happen if I called people on the ladder "white boys", I might try that sometime. I'm german. People call me Nazi on the internet 24/7. Do I care? No. Should I care? No. Do blacks care if random strangers call them niggers? No. Should they care? No. Yes I would stay calm if you called my mother a whore. Why? Because it only shows your lack of respect, not that my mother is a whore. That's just how it is. Insulting words don't mean anything to the one being insulted, but perfectly reflect on the one using them. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On May 02 2012 22:35 Xiron wrote: I'm german. People call me Nazi on the internet 24/7. Do I care? No. Should I care? No. Do blacks care if random strangers call them niggers? No. Should they care? No. Yes I would stay calm if you called my mother a whore. Why? Because it only shows your lack of respect, not that my mother is a whore. That's just how it is. Insulting words don't mean anything to the one being insulted, but perfectly reflect on the one using them. You don't understand. What I find interesting is that someone would call a random and probably white person a nigger. If I ever called your mother a whore, it's because in the end I do despise "whores", and society agrees with me to some extent. Not because she actually is a prostitude, since I don't know what her job is. Same of "nazi". When you call a random person a "nazi", it's because nazis are commonly despised as foul beings. In this case, nazis are actually looked down upon, so how is it any different from the term "nigger"? | ||
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dGHaiL
United States177 Posts
The reason Orb was fired for using the word nigger, and people such as Destiny and IdrA are allowed to BM was not because of the word itself. Orb was fired because he LIED to EG. If Orb had confessed to using the word, and stated that he had changed and would not use it anymore, things would have certainly been different. When Orb told EG that he wasn't the one on his account saying those things, EG released an official statement saying that they believe him, and will support him. To their sponsors, this says, "We support our caster and truly believe that he wasn't the one using these racial slurs." When it came out that it actually WAS Orb who had been saying these things, he had to be let go. He had ruined the face of the company in front of their sponsors. This was his undoing. Another common example of "admit your mistake and apologize, and things will be so much better". But Orb wanted to get off totally clean, and not admit to any of his mistakes. It was his lying to EG that got him fired, not the use of the word. | ||
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dongmydrum
United States139 Posts
On May 02 2012 22:35 Xiron wrote: I'm german. People call me Nazi on the internet 24/7. Do I care? No. Should I care? No. Do blacks care if random strangers call them niggers? No. Should they care? No. Yes I would stay calm if you called my mother a whore. Why? Because it only shows your lack of respect, not that my mother is a whore. That's just how it is. Insulting words don't mean anything to the one being insulted, but perfectly reflect on the one using them. so.. just because you don't care you expect other people to not care as well? its not about whether something true or not, its about respect. when somebody calls you something derogatory, that means that that person disrespects you. To give you an extreme example, if you go to a restaurant and one of the servers refuses to serve you, that also tells more about that person than you, but you just got dis'ed nonetheless. It should feel like crap. whether you tolerate it or not is your choice, but you can't tell me disrespecting someone by words is not a matter of concern and by action is. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On May 02 2012 11:44 Kukaracha wrote: Well, what interests me more is the meaning behind it. Some people have defended the use of the word "nigger" because they claim they're angry and they don't "mean" it, but mean what? How is that word supposed to be offensive? You don't run around calling people "lamps", because being called a lamp is not particularly offensive. So what's the idea begind the N word? And if someone gives it such a meaning, doesn't it actually mean that they kind of think it's true? I mean, I don't call people "black" as an insult, because that word is neutral for me. If it wasn't then it would mean I have a strong opinion about blacks in general, no? I like your idea. People who piss me off, from henceforth, are lamps. Filthy lamps. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On May 02 2012 19:00 FractalsOnFire wrote: Words only have the power and meaning that you give it. edit: "When I use a word... it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less" | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
There is no way to know that you actually mean otherwise or that you're using the term out if his usual context. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
"Nets are for catching fish; after one gets the fish, one forgets the net. Traps are for catching rabbits; after one gets the rabbit, one forgets the trap. Words are for getting meaning; after one gets the meaning, one forgets the words. Where can I find people who have forgotten words, and have a word with them?" - Zhungzi | ||
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Aelonius
Netherlands432 Posts
Aside of that it's really bothering me that some people can be so stuck up about an expression and pull it out of context just to shit on the person who said it. Look at Orb, he messed up and people started to shit on him for it. Really immature in my view. Regarding racism, I like to quote the definitions on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism) Racism is generally understood as either belief that different racial groups are characterized by intrinsic characteristics or abilities and that some such groups are therefore naturally superior to others [1][2] or as practices that discriminate against members of particular racial groups,[1] for example by perpetuating unequal access to resources between groups.[3] This would imply that we're basing our judgement off the "race" of an individual. Yet there is the following line a little while further: The definition of racism is controversial both because there is little scholarly agreement about what the word "race" means, and because there is also little agreement about what does and doesn't constitute discrimination. So we're looking at a term (Racism) where we're not even clear about the definition of "race" and how this works. This leads me to say one simple thing. You can only stop racism when you stop marking all comments that are a little edgy as racist. The more you stamp the "racism" sign on things, the stronger it keeps coming back. | ||
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NEgroidZerg
United States244 Posts
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