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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Is it me or did people become cowards/bm? I mean sure they won, but I think players should respect each other and give them a second chance. I think it's fair that way.  Also can we have some kind of discussion please? Are there a lot of people who don't give you a rematch after a ladder/custom game? Do you think there is a good reason if they don't even though it's not about lack of time?   | ||
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-Kaiser-
Canada932 Posts
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
Other normal reasons: they are done playing, they don't like your style, they want to play someone else etc. Cowardly? I think that's you being butt hurt because you lost because you're bad. Do I like playing the same people multiple times in a row? Yes, because I like the variety that forces games to have. But that is not the best way to play ladder. If people play casually, it is polite to give re's. On the ladder you should not expect it because people play for points and record. | ||
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
If the other person is just being bm, then I probably have no reason to accept it, unless it's a pride match :D and then I make sure I win, haha. But yeah, I think most people don't like to because they'd rather just focus on improving their ranking on the ladder. | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
A real example to prove my point: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/w69Jp.jpg) | ||
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
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Rinny
United States616 Posts
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Nibbler89
884 Posts
On April 30 2012 07:44 Heh_ wrote: Most of the peope asking for rematches do it because they're furious that they lost, and they're still caught up in their illusion of superiority. Everytime someone asks me for a rematch, they're being a dick about it. It's also a waste of time dealing with noobs. If they cheesed you, they're gonna do it again. A real example to prove my point: This is what I was thinking as well especially after this line: "Is it me or did people become cowards/bm? I mean sure they won, but I think players should respect each other and give them a second chance. I think it's fair that way. " Makes me think that your personality might be part of why they don't want to rm you depending on what you say.... If you lose a game and ask nicely for a rematch or to add to friend to practice some time I doubt they'd reject you. That line makes me think an exaggerated situation of what actually happens might go like this: "man i played so shitty that game, thats why i lost, rematch?" "uhh maybe later" "lol you coward? you scared? why so bm?" Player is ignoring you. lol bm coward" It's probably not that extreme but like I said, if you're cordial enough I doubt they'll refuse to ever play you again at least in my experience. Other reasons they may not want to rematch among the other reasons people pointed out is that I'm guessing by your icon you play protoss? It can be boring to play against protoss relatively compared to other MU's (even a decent amount of P don't like playing against P). Atm either through metagame or design it often feels like you are either playing vs an all in or a turtle to death ball max. Compared to TvT ,TvZ or ZvZ it's not nearly as engaging from both sides. (I realize if you play P from your perspective it's probably doesn't seem boring or less engaging, but for Z/T it can be boring to play against P relative to their other MU's.). Outside of korea protoss also seems to be the most commonly played race by quite a bit so relatively boring MU + having to play that MU the most often on ladder can contribute to them not wanting to play it again. This is also just my opinion, i'm sure some people find it fun to play as and vs P over the other races, just talking based from what I've seen. But as I said I think if you ask nicely most people will be willing to play you, if not right at the moment then later. Demanding they rm you right after the game is kind of... eh... | ||
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achristes
Norway653 Posts
If some random dude on ladder asks me for a RE I don't want to, because I don't have many close games, and the few I do get people just start BMing (and I'm not going to turn down a direct invitation to smacktalk). And if it were completely one-sided why would you ever want a regame? If I get stomped and want to improve I play vs my friends. But seriously, if you think people are BM or cowards if they don't want to regame then I must say you are pretty stupid. Internet's not fair, neither is life, and respect on the ladder unless you meet someone that is popular/you know is so rare it barely even exists. If you made a mistake and want a regame it is to be expected that people will say no, you made the mistake, your problem, not theirs. (Sorry if I sounded like a doucebag) | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
http://prikachi.com/images/729/4706729o.jpg I see no reason why re is refused. Sometimes there is not even an answer. Btw, I used to get a lot more rematches in BW. Just wondering why it's not the same anymore. I've not changed my way of asking since then. Edit: I ask for re because I think I can make a better game and, perhaps, win. Why not if the other guy feels competitive too? | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
"rematch plox?" comes off as "LOL, if I were playing my B game I woulda smashed the shit out of you! I dare you to try me again nub!" That, or they genuinely dislike playing against your playstyle. Or they just want to bask in their victory in peace. | ||
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SeeDLiNg
United States690 Posts
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imanoobcs
184 Posts
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LucidityDark
United Kingdom139 Posts
1) People who say they want to practice versus me for various reasons (want to learn how to beat my playstyle, think I'm good player and want macro games, crazy match and want to play more funny matches). 2) Then there's the people who want to have a rematch because they simply want to try and win. They'll come up with stupid reasons for losing and might say "I'll play seriously this time and you will have no chance of winning". These are the butthurt people who can't accept losing and want to have a sense of superiority over you. I only accept rematches from people in category 1. Most people just want to ladder and get higher ranks so if you're asking them to custom because you think you can beat them and nothing else then they're unlikely to accept. The only reason I see people accepting rematches is if a game was really close or if they had fun. | ||
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
On April 30 2012 08:16 darkness wrote: Well, it's like that most of the time: http://prikachi.com/images/729/4706729o.jpg I see no reason why re is refused. Sometimes there is not even an answer. Btw, I used to get a lot more rematches in BW. Just wondering why it's not the same anymore. I've not changed my way of asking since then. Edit: I ask for re because I think I can make a better game and, perhaps, win. Why not if the other guy feels competitive too? Did you consider that maybe he had no idea what the hell you were talking about? I dunno what league you're in, but the highest "NeverSayDie" is only plat. I doubt everyone at that level knows that "re" is short for "rematch." Maybe if you asked "could we play another game?" you'd receive a better response. | ||
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
I've lost some games recently due to some greediness or sloppy micro. No, that's not why you lost. Winning/losing is relative to your opponent's performance. You can still win with sloppy micro or greediness if your opponent is inferior. You lost not because you played poorly, but because your opponent played better than you. It's not always about you. Just because people don't want a rematch doesn't mean they're cowards and afraid of you. It's not always about you. | ||
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Nibbler89
884 Posts
On April 30 2012 08:16 darkness wrote: Well, it's like that most of the time: http://prikachi.com/images/729/4706729o.jpg I see no reason why re is refused. Sometimes there is not even an answer. Btw, I used to get a lot more rematches in BW. Just wondering why it's not the same anymore. I've not changed my way of asking since then. Edit: I ask for re because I think I can make a better game and, perhaps, win. Why not if the other guy feels competitive too? Really? Try this next time and take a screen shot and let me know how it works. Instead of saying "re?" and then if he says anything other than "yes" saying "re? why no re?" try this : First say "gg" you can add wp if you want. Leave the game(you can say it in game too I guess) Message opponent after game: "Hey, gg I've been wanting to practice (xvp) would you be willing to play another game please?" or maybe. "Hey gg, I've been wanting to work on (x mistake that you made) can we play another game please?" Compare that to: "re?" "re?" "why no re?" Talk like a human being talking to a human being not a caveman talking to a dog and you will get better results I think. (This applies IRL as well) You won't get 100% success rate of rematches, but you will probably get a better response than you do atm and maybe get some practice partners / make some friends. If someone wanted a rematch and approached me like that, you can bet I'd probably say no. Because as the other guy pointed out, there's two categories of people who want rematch, and atm I'd assume you are in category 2. | ||
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Ephemerality
United States203 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On April 30 2012 08:33 Nibbler89 wrote: Really? Try this next time and take a screen shot and let me know how it works. Instead of saying "re?" and then if he says anything other than "yes" saying "re? why no re?" try this : First say "gg" you can add wp if you want. Leave the game(you can say it in game too I guess) Message opponent after game: "Hey, gg I've been wanting to practice (xvp) would you be willing to play another game please?" or maybe. "Hey gg, I've been wanting to work on (x mistake that you made) can we play another game please?" Compare that to: "re?" "re?" "why no re?" Talk like a human being talking to a human being not a caveman talking to a dog and you will get better results I think. (This applies to IRL as well) You won't get 100% success rate of rematches, but you will probably get a better response than you do atm and maybe get some practice partners / make some friends. If someone wanted a rematch and approached me like that, you can bet I'd probably say no. Because as the other guy pointed out, there's two categories of people who want rematch, and atm I'd assume you are in category 2. That's actually a good piece of advice. Cheers! | ||
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
On April 30 2012 07:57 Gheed wrote: ... The ladder is not designed for competition, it's designed to give you something to do. The person who beat you just wanted to play a videogame, not have an epenis sword fight. Hahahaha Yeah, like most people have said, when someone says "re" or "rematch", I usually interpret them as feeling like they unjustly lost and they want to prove they are better than you. However, if they ask politely for a practice game, typically, I will grudgingly oblige. I have to be in the right mood to ladder, usually its when I'm feeling competitive and I want to see results. Practicing is more oriented towards grinding out games and tweaking builds, and when I'm laddering I'm typically not in the mood for practicing. | ||
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Apom
France656 Posts
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
On April 30 2012 07:58 Rinny wrote: Did he manner match you wtf is going on in that game?? He proxy hatched me at my natural. I decided not to bother about expanding, and 4gated him. His hatch died to a zealot and a cannon, built a few useless lings and a spine, even rebuilt the hatch. Did I mention he went 3 hatch? Stalkers rape slowlings (he probably threw a hundred at me), and eventually this happened. In the midst of all this (before dying horribly), he said this: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Rxi3t.jpg) I taunted him a bit, then he went ballistic. He kept challenging me afterward; why should I waste my time against some idiot who can't even cheese properly? On April 30 2012 08:07 Nibbler89 wrote: That line makes me think an exaggerated situation of what actually happens might go like this: "man i played so shitty that game, thats why i lost, rematch?" "uhh maybe later" "lol you coward? you scared? why so bm?" Player is ignoring you. lol bm coward" Yup, that's exactly what happened. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
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achristes
Norway653 Posts
On April 30 2012 09:45 Gosi wrote: That competitive spark I'm sure most people had on iCCup D+ and higher is just not there in SC2. bnet 2.0 have turned people into real wimps. There was so many times you would play like 5+ games in a row against the same guy. It was not like "LOL I wasn't warmed up I will beat him now to show him I am superior!!!" it was just genuinely practice to get better with someone that was capable of beating you, and now you wan't to beat him. And most people just play because they wan't to get dAt-cOOl portrait or decal, or get top 5 in their useless division and league to get longer e-peen when it comes to their friends, and you don't get that in customs. How is playing vs the same person many times more competetive than playing vs other random people? It's just as competetive to just ladder. It's also a completely different system. In BW/ICCup you get into a lobby with some random guy who could be anything from A to D, and if it was an even game (or whatever reasons you've got) you ask for a regame. In sc2 you don't have to ask specifically for someone who is into practicing with a C+ player, you can just hit one button and get into the game with a (kind of) evenly matched opponent. | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On April 30 2012 09:45 Gosi wrote: That competitive spark I'm sure most people had on iCCup D+ and higher is just not there in SC2. bnet 2.0 have turned people into real wimps. There was so many times you would play like 5+ games in a row against the same guy. It was not like "LOL I wasn't warmed up I will beat him now to show him I am superior!!!" it was just genuinely practice to get better with someone that was capable of beating you, and now you wan't to beat him. And most people just play because they wan't to get dAt-cOOl portrait or decal, or get top 5 in their useless division and league to get longer e-peen when it comes to their friends, and you don't get that in customs. Or just maybe I don't want to play the same person. So what if I want to be #1 in my division? If I'm laddering I'm probaby doing it for a reason. I don't have to give someone a re-game just because they feel like they got "robbed". If I wanted to play a custom game, I would of searched for a practice partner. On Iccup I was a D+ Terran and I usually played again if someone said "RE", but I gained POINTS from re-gaming. Something I don't do from a custom game in SC2. Yeah I know points are "useless", but so what. I want to ladder and raise my MMR... not face some random guy that thinks he deserves a "RE" game. Now if the person is nice and just wants some practice in a certain match-up usually I will play some custom games with them if I have some time. I don't like playing re-games with people that start whining about their loss because their stupidity will kill my brain cells. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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SunTurtle
156 Posts
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Chylith
Canada167 Posts
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
That being said, I think the majority don't like to rematch the losers because they want to go out with a win. They are 1-0 against that guy, undefeated. If they rematch, they don't want to lose that (unimportant) statistic. | ||
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Rice
United States1332 Posts
P.S. this bullshit "manner" stigma over nothing is such a fucking joke in the starcraft community. "wahhhh he didn't say 'gg' after i raped him, what a bmer." Get real. | ||
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Th1rdEye
United States1074 Posts
see what i did there? | ||
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Servius_Fulvius
United States947 Posts
On April 30 2012 07:15 darkness wrote: Do you think there is a good reason if they don't even though it's not about lack of time? I think the most likely reason would be something to the effect of "Why play a custom game when I can ladder and get more points?" | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
On April 30 2012 12:11 Rice wrote: The vast majority of people who ask for rematches, in my experience, are people who are furiously raging. Declining the rematch pisses them off even more which is why I(and probably most other people) generally decline a re. P.S. this bullshit "manner" stigma over nothing is such a fucking joke in the starcraft community. "wahhhh he didn't say 'gg' after i raped him, what a bmer." Get real. Agreed. Most people asking for rematches aren't nice about it. To me, the word "rematch" implies that they're not happy with the outcome (losing) and want to show off the ggimba skill. If they said something like "gg that was fun, do you mind if we play again?", I would probably give them the rematch. There's a subtle difference between the two. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
People should just get over it. It doesn't matter what happened during the game, you lost. You can blame luck all you want, or a misclick, but in the end, your opponent just made one less mistake than you, or one more good decision than you. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On April 30 2012 23:52 Zergneedsfood wrote: People should just get over it. It doesn't matter what happened during the game, you lost. You can blame luck all you want, or a misclick, but in the end, your opponent just made one less mistake than you, or one more good decision than you. This basically. If you played against an opponent he was about the same skilllevel as you (thanks to matchmaking). "I lost due to sloppy macro/micro" Do you think he doesnt have sloppy macro/micro? He could probably tell you multiple occasions in the game where he fucked up. It's like telling him "You suck - I'm better than you, but made this stupid mistake and didnt really try. Come - let me show you how much you suck!!" And when I have a rematch - what do people want from me? If I try the same style again, some play a ridiculous exploitive strategy against it, which would fail against basically everything else. And then boast about the win "I told you I'm better". And if I play another style - some whine "Oh but you didnt play like that the last time". So I have to say the majority of rematches I had were a bad experience. So that's why I avoid them - UNLESS someone asks like "Hey, can we play again? I want to see if I can hold your push (or whatever) with my strategy or if I have to change something". Because then I know what he expects from me and it's about improving not boasting/belitteling. | ||
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dGHaiL
United States177 Posts
Maybe it's because it's summer now, but I've got more time on my hands. I play to improve and get better. Unless someone was seriously BM in game, I'll give you a rematch and probably add you as a friend for a practice partner. Although I have to admit, I've played a few games (especially against P, and I'm T) where they lose to my timing push from a 1 rax FE, and then double proxy gate me or 4-gate me. That really pisses me off, but I just GG out as soon as I see the cheese coming. Its just a custom, and you've got your win. Why should I care? | ||
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DirtyBirD
United States239 Posts
I remember when I used to play BW on iCCup and other ladders like PGTour and WGTour I would go into a game with someone and say, "play 5 games" or "play 3 games?" I would say that 90% of the time the other person would agree right away. In SC2, really the only people I ask for a re from is if I defend some type of cheese from them poorly and lose or if it's a long game that I end up losing. I've been fortunate enough to have most of the people I ask for a regame from agree and we play a few customs together, then go back to laddering. I honestly think it all comes down to the other person, if they're just a straight up douche, don't have the time, or have something else they need to do. I mean, yeah it does have to do with the way you're asking for a regame as well. You can't act like a dick and expect a good reply. However, I do know that in some of the regames I've gotten, the other people love to cheese again, for whatever reason. | ||
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AiurOG
United States98 Posts
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
 I know I do that sometimes hehe. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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