EPTdo vipassana meditation, its like self-psychotherapy. from your post i gather that you are too self-centered, so diminishing the ego might be what you need. if you have the time, give it a try, its free
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
do vipassana meditation, its like self-psychotherapy. from your post i gather that you are too self-centered, so diminishing the ego might be what you need. if you have the time, give it a try, its free | ||
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Kilocide
Canada13 Posts
On April 20 2012 18:46 ReturnStroke wrote: I tried to write a well-thought out response but I don't have enough time. Basically, this is just ignorant. This is someone without depression/anxiety talking about how great he thinks he is, then gives example of things that shouldn't make him depressed, and how they didn't :/ If SC relaxes him he should do it. Exercise probably won't do much, since this sounds like major depression, but it wouldn't hurt. As for going out to meet people and surround yourself in friends, that depends. It can also make things worse. If you have a fairly introverted personality is can even be destructive. Drugs can also be very helpful. Can they cure you? No, but they can help you help yourself. I know this isn't a real statement from Kilocide (I hope), and hopefully no one takes it seriously. There is a lot of bad advice in here. It's similiar to someone healthy spouting nonsense about how he never got cancer or heart disease 'cuz he's just too damn tough, and you're doctor doesn't get it. "Trans fats didn't give me a heart attack!" It's nonsense. TLDR: Some people are stupid, LISTEN TO YOUR DOCTOR! I meant every word of it. firstly you'll pardon me if I don't take seriously the summary diagnosis of a 20 year old child who thinks he's been depressed since he was 12. Secondly, I'm not sure how having your father die and then your closest friend get pasted across a 4 lane road in a motorcycle accident aren't significant enough events to cause depression but they seem sufficient enough to me. Not to mention you should try being bed ridden for 6 months because every person I know seems fairly convinced they would be a pile of goo as a result. Going on to say exercise probably won't help him because he has major depression in your expert opinion after reading 2 paragraphs he wrote in a sc2 forum also seems fairly retarded. there is also no realistic comparison to be made between what I said and the dumb as shit example of the heart attck that you gave. I can understand your bias here, but seriously stfu. I don't discout the possibility of people having severe and uncontrollable depression that requires heavy medication and treatment, but it's also true that some people just want to be victims and wallow in self pity. He should try diet and exercise and getting out of the house before he lets a shrink tell him to take these drugs and play video games. I have unfortunately had several brushes with serious mental illness and these depression stories don't measure up. If you are an otherwise healthy person who's wallowing in self pity, you need to shake it off. Your outlook is powerful. You do not have a disease. MS is a disease. finally, I do think I'm pretty great. I'm really proud of my mental strength in this regard. I don't have any problem patting myself on the back for it, especially considering the dark place I was in. The OP wanted to hear about our own personal experiences and I just gave it to him straight with no BS.You don't want to believe I was depressed and shook it off because then you'll have to face responsibility for your own shit. it's a lot easier to tell yourself you have some horrible affliction and it isn't your lifestyle or the decisions you make or your own weakness. If you want to tell yourself you've got a disease that is uncontrollable and you're a victim of it forever go ahead, but wether that's true or not you aren't doing yourself any favors. With all that being said, if a positive outlook, diet, exercise and strength of will doesn't help and shit gets worse.... obviously you need to do what you have to do to get it under control. My hope is that this isn't the case for the OP the same way it wasn't for me. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=279491 http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=319798 sc2 will not help , you need progressive / constructive improvement. guitar/gym is great your job wont help either, unless you go for radiology stress from shitty job = like 85% of our problem imo | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On April 20 2012 18:46 ReturnStroke wrote: TLDR: Some people are stupid, LISTEN TO YOUR DOCTOR! While I think your general train of thought is fine, this statement just isn't. I've worked with dozens of psychiatrists and psychologists over the past years and a lot of them are plain and simple incompetent. This goes for both Germany and the USA, I've had lot better experiences when it comes to doctors from France and England. Don't listen to your doctor. Ask your doctor, evaluate his opinion and use your common sense and experience on top of that. Most of them either don't have the time to evaluate your case correctly, they don't care because that's not what they get paid for or they, for various reasons, lack the actual capacity to treat you. Finding a good or even great doctor in that field is hard. ESPECIALLY when you waited so long that you're at the point where you aren't able to do anything but trust a "professional opinion", make sure to ask around a lot before you settle for someone. Don't feel bad about leaving and looking for another one if you don't feel comfortable. Specifically on topic, personally I'm very skeptic when the first thing the doctor does is throw some meds at you. Yes, there are cases where this is what makes the most sense, but yours doesn't sound like one from what you told us. Simple as that. Edit: I just realized what advice that doctor gave you. Change him. asap. Someone who recommends doing things that ALL mean that you should sit in your basement and do them alone is no one I can take seriously on this matter. Let me lean myself out the window a little bit, give this one a thought: Your REAL problem is that you trust a random fucker with stupid advice (you're most likely aware of that because of your job, you're just denying it) over yourself. - Let's change the topic a little bit. Let me not ask why you are depressed, but instead: Why are you as confident as you are? PS: My gf just recognized your nickname, loved your stories. =P | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On April 20 2012 14:54 EngrishTeacher wrote: I don't know if it would be an option for you, but all I can say is, "today is 420." Not saying anyone should make it a habit, but sometimes a little chemical balancing agent is all you need. Any good therapist will tell you that one of the worst things you can do when you're depressed is smoking weed. | ||
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Jbird
Canada12 Posts
"keep your body strong and it keeps the mind strong" Go wail a workout, maybe it will spike some happy endorphins  | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
I've never taken medication but even if I did I don't think a sample size of one would be of any interest. Anyone who wants to know how well they work should critically evaluate the literature for themselves IMO. There is some clearly bad advice in the thread though. Don't smoke weed to fight depression LOL. Same with alcohol. (If going out means binge drinking, it might not be the right step) Keeping busy might be a good advice for some, but if you're feeling stressed and overworked it's probably not the right advice for you. Just be happy and don't think about bad stuff is great advice. If you can follow it your depression disappears immediately Seriously, the problem with it is that it doesn't tell you how. It's like saying the way to get better at SC2 to do the same stuff faster and make better decisions. Duh. The question is how. Depression is a huge umbrella term and even major depression works differently from person to person. The thing I like about CBT and meditation that it focuses on exploring your own inner space before trying to fix stuff. | ||
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sneakz
Australia12 Posts
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ReturnStroke
United States801 Posts
On April 20 2012 20:26 Kilocide wrote: I meant every word of it. firstly you'll pardon me if I don't take seriously the summary diagnosis of a 20 year old child who thinks he's been depressed since he was 12. Secondly, I'm not sure how having your father die and then your closest friend get pasted across a 4 lane road in a motorcycle accident aren't significant enough events to cause depression but they seem sufficient enough to me. Not to mention you should try being bed ridden for 6 months because every person I know seems fairly convinced they would be a pile of goo as a result. Going on to say exercise probably won't help him because he has major depression in your expert opinion after reading 2 paragraphs he wrote in a sc2 forum also seems fairly retarded. there is also no realistic comparison to be made between what I said and the dumb as shit example of the heart attck that you gave. I can understand your bias here, but seriously stfu. I don't discout the possibility of people having severe and uncontrollable depression that requires heavy medication and treatment, but it's also true that some people just want to be victims and wallow in self pity. He should try diet and exercise and getting out of the house before he lets a shrink tell him to take these drugs and play video games. I have unfortunately had several brushes with serious mental illness and these depression stories don't measure up. If you are an otherwise healthy person who's wallowing in self pity, you need to shake it off. Your outlook is powerful. You do not have a disease. MS is a disease. finally, I do think I'm pretty great. I'm really proud of my mental strength in this regard. I don't have any problem patting myself on the back for it, especially considering the dark place I was in. The OP wanted to hear about our own personal experiences and I just gave it to him straight with no BS.You don't want to believe I was depressed and shook it off because then you'll have to face responsibility for your own shit. it's a lot easier to tell yourself you have some horrible affliction and it isn't your lifestyle or the decisions you make or your own weakness. If you want to tell yourself you've got a disease that is uncontrollable and you're a victim of it forever go ahead, but whether that's true or not you aren't doing yourself any favors. With all that being said, if a positive outlook, diet, exercise and strength of will doesn't help and shit gets worse.... obviously you need to do what you have to do to get it under control. My hope is that this isn't the case for the OP the same way it wasn't for me. Thank you for replying. I'm glad that you don't discount the possibility of people with severe and uncontrollable depression, but your first post seemed to say otherwise. I'm glad I was wrong that you thought that. People do throw pity parties, but I think you jumped to conclusions. Some people do have a severe chemical imbalance, and it seemed like you disregarded that possibility. I'm sorry if I misunderstood. Diet and exercise can help as well, but you made it seem like it was a cure all (when combined with "bitches"). After your second post, I agree with a lot of what you're saying. So, yeah. | ||
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bGr.MetHiX
Bulgaria511 Posts
Depression is a part of every man's life.I've had my fair share of depression along my 22 years of life.I can tell you one thing,if you dont help yourself,noone can help you.Try to force yourself to be happy,smile on purpose if u will,spoil yourself with tasty food and force yourself to eat it slow and enjoy every bite of it.Go for a walk and force yourself away from the thoughts that have been bothering you.Since you are interested in neurology i would recommend you to smoke some weed just to let the stress off (you are an educated man,you should know a spliff or two would never hurt somebody,but will 100% help you relax).Try to listen to music that gets you energized,try to listen to a lot of music,it helps. There's one thing you should know though.You have one life.Humanity has explored millions of light years away and still hasnt found a life form even remotely close to your uniqueness.And you've had the luck to be born in the age of information and you can be the human being you want to be if you really want it.Dont miss your chance,dont live a life in sadness,because noone could ever return to you the time you are wasting.You wont get another shot,thats the horrible truth.Get on your feet asap,get your mentality straight and live your life to its fullest(Whatever that means for you,because it means different for every human being).Wish you all the best bro! | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On April 20 2012 22:39 bGr.MetHiX wrote: Dear UmbraaeternuS, Depression is a part of every man's life.I've had my fair share of depression along my 22 years of life.I can tell you one thing,if you dont help yourself,noone can help you.Try to force yourself to be happy,smile on purpose if u will,spoil yourself with tasty food and force yourself to eat it slow and enjoy every bite of it.Go for a walk and force yourself away from the thoughts that have been bothering you.Since you are interested in neurology i would recommend you to smoke some weed just to let the stress off (you are an educated man,you should know a spliff or two would never hurt somebody,but will 100% help you relax).Try to listen to music that gets you energized,try to listen to a lot of music,it helps. There's one thing you should know though.You have one life.Humanity has explored millions of light years away and still hasnt found a life form even remotely close to your uniqueness.And you've had the luck to be born in the age of information and you can be the human being you want to be if you really want it.Dont miss your chance,dont live a life in sadness,because noone could ever return to you the time you are wasting.You wont get another shot,thats the horrible truth.Get on your feet asap,get your mentality straight and live your life to its fullest(Whatever that means for you,because it means different for every human being).Wish you all the best bro! You are stating that clinical depressin is the same as being depressed. This is plain wrong. Weed is a bad idea for most of the people who are really depressed. If "listening to some music and going for a walk" would fix issues like this as easily as you describe it, it's not a depression. Random addition: Humanity has not explored millions of light years away when it comes to finding so called "intelligent" life forms. While your intentions might be awesome, you, and most people who recommend similar "solutions" have no idea what a depression really is. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
im just taking a nice walk through the forest listening to music. kim kwang seok is my personal favourite for that + Show Spoiler + his music is so damn sad but somehow its giving hope just what helps me in such situations | ||
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
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indigoawareness
Slovakia273 Posts
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DKR
United Kingdom622 Posts
Whilst a sitcom the protagonist is in a similar, if imaginary, situation to yours. Skip to 9 minutes for the real message. | ||
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alQahira
United States511 Posts
There are groups organized around the book, but not sure if you can find one near you. Best of luck! | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
I don't know shit about you though, this is just how things went for me. Good luck. | ||
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Asprobouboulis
Greece42 Posts
4 months ago i lost my grandmother and now i am completely alone and living with my uncle and cousins. Been struggling with depression myself for 5 years now and it comes and goes but nowdays i cant even close my eyes to sleep at night without my mind going on about all the shit i ve been through and a metric shit ton of suicidal thoughts.Also, living in a country that every day that passes is closer and closer to collapsing doesnt help either... Point of all this is that, i've been through some horrible fucking shit in my 20 years on this earth but i am still here. I struggle like you to get up in the morning and get shit done but i just keep on keeping on. Do what must be done first for your health and then think about everything else. Also as many above said, working out and spending more time doing things that you enjoy will help immensely! | ||
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NiRvAnA22
Canada50 Posts
I am 23 now, I am a semi famous musician In Australia ( born and raised in Canada moved to Oz 21). I only work a few days a week, but I am around other musicians who are depressed or generally crazy musicians. Still the same depression, still the same battle every day, every morning. That is my story shortened as much as possible. I notice a lot of people here are giving you advice, I will do no such thing, but if you wanna chat and just talk about things I'd be more than happy to bounce ideas around. All the best man, hope the best for ya | ||
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