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Spiffeh
Profile Joined May 2010
United States830 Posts
April 19 2012 19:26 GMT
#21
Life's too short to not think you're awesome.
Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
April 19 2012 19:29 GMT
#22
For me, it's a mixture of above-average intelligence and self awareness, yet a lack of an open mind and my memory is godlike awful. I sometimes happen to forget what I did just 10 minutes ago.
"The way of life can be free and beautiful. But we have lost the way. " - Charlie Chaplin
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 19:40:20
April 19 2012 19:40 GMT
#23
IQ >100 ? gratz, youre above average
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
April 19 2012 19:46 GMT
#24
People are not balls, you can't compare them like that.

Everyone IS above average, in the part of life they find interesting (which almost always matches where their talents lie).

You can be faster than me, but since I don't give a fuck about running, I'll keep thinking to myself that I'm above average when it comes to playing guitar or w/e. And you're an above average runner. And we're both right.

The problem arises tho when we're focusing on our own advantages in situations where those qualities are not the main thing. For example, if a great runner and a great guitar player worked at a law firm, none of these attributes really dictate how useful we are at that specific workplace. You're right in this regard.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
April 19 2012 19:50 GMT
#25
Most people can be above average, (average is not median). As long as there are a couple of people HORRENDUS, it lowers the average and most can be above average! woo
Jaedong :3
Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 20:11:48
April 19 2012 20:11 GMT
#26
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On April 20 2012 01:31 thedeadhaji wrote:
<p>Are you above average? </p><p>If you're like most, then you probably thought something along the lines of, *"well, I'm not spectacular per se, but I can hold my own. I'd say I'm slightly above average." For some of us, it may very well be the case that we are above average; but it's quite likely that we're overestimating ourselves [1]. </p><p>One prominent example is in online dating. Studies have shown that over 70% of us rate ourselves <em>above average</em> in looks in such settings [2]. A separate study using the site "Hot or Not", determined that our own self-assessment was significantly higher than what our peers would rate us [3].</p><p>So psychological studies consistently show our propensity to overvalue ourselves. But honestly, a study done by an anonymous researcher in some ivory tower may not be convincing to many of us; we surely have the right to remain skeptical. But let's look at our everyday, normal lives for a bit. Haven't we sesn first hand, this kind of self-overvaling behavior? </p><p>Let's move the setting to the office, the site of our daily toils. Now, think about some of our coworkers, both current and former. Let's think about the passing comments they made about how unappreciated they are, their gripes about being passed by for a promotion in favor of another coworker, or their self-promotions about how hard and how long they worked. What did we feel when we heard these comments? Did we agree? Did we smirk? Did we empathize? For some, the unhappiness was probably justified; there are plenty of brilliant people who go unnoticed or unappreciated. But looking back at our experiences, was <em>everyone</em> assess themselves accurately? How many people made us think, *"I can understand where he's coming from, but I honestly can't agree." ?</p><p>What is the barometer to judge these people's self-assessment? The equivalent of the "Hot or Not" test, cited earlier, is the simple converstaions we have with other coworkers each day. Taken in aggregate, our peers have a much more balanced perspective for our true abilities and results. In such an office poll, we quickly find out that there are indeed discrepancies between self-assessed values and the common opinion. The guy who was passed over for a promotion lost out to someone who delivered more results than he; the guy who asserts that he works extremely hard actually works significantly fewer hours than the engineers across the office who put in 12+ hour days every day, plus weekends.</p><p>Most people are firmly entrenched in the idea that they are above average. What is the root of this behavior? Is it the incomplete dataset we operate off of [4]? Is it a self-defense mechanism? </p><p>Whatever the root cause may be, self-awareness of the matter is essential; not only to avoid being labeled by our peers as a self-overvalueer (which sooner or later devolves into mockery), but to be able to see ourselves clearly -- to take steps in becoming truly <em>above average</em> [5].</p><p><hr>[1] Of course, the area in which we consider ourselves to be <em>above average</em> will differ from person to person when the question is posed so vaguely, so it may very well be that we've all subconsciously chosen a biased area from which to base our above-averageness on. </p><p>[2] I believe one of the authors of the study was Ariely. The number of users who rated themselves <em>below average</em> in looks was eitehr 2% or 12%, a paltry sum.</p><p>[3] So if we rated oureslves a 7/10 on an online dating site, then we're probably closer to a 5 or 6 when judged by our peers/mates. Of course, it's possible that those judging us have an upwardly skewed perspective as well, distorting the results. </p><p>[4] After all, we have the most data about ourselves. </p><p>[5] If so desired.</p>


Crossposted from my main blog


I love your blogs <3

To understand yourself is to understand your relationship with the world around you. Its really hard to be introspective and really find out the truth about yourself. But if you go out and explore the world and other peoples opinions it becomes much easier to learn about yourself. Something I've learned from Jiddu.K and been struggling to implement in my own life recently. It is possible that we have the most information about ourselves, but there is no simple mirror to your soul, the only mirror we have to learn about ourselves is others.
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
Gummy
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2180 Posts
April 19 2012 21:02 GMT
#27
So in the studies, were people being incentived to report their perceptions accurately, or were they exhibiting strategic behavior? There is no reason in a dating site, for example, to underestimate your qualities. In that particular example, we might be better off asking whether it makes sense to ask people to rate their own appearance.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't.
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 21:43:56
April 19 2012 21:37 GMT
#28
On April 20 2012 01:31 thedeadhaji wrote:
</p><p>One prominent example is in online dating. Studies have shown that over 70% of us rate ourselves <em>above average</em> in looks in such settings [2].

I bet my god damn dick that the way this actually breaks down is that 85% of females on online dating sites believe themselves to be better than average looking and more like 55% of dudes believe themselves to be above average looking.


But I remember an OKCupid study that revealed that the females on the site rated 80% of males as below average looking which is obviously impossible. The males rated females in an almost perfect normal distribution.


On April 20 2012 02:02 Subversive wrote:
Reminds me of a study of university students. They divided them into 4 groups, asked them individually how they expected to do in a test that would be administered and then correlated the results against the expectation. The bottom quartile were the least accurate in their self-assessment. The next worst was the second bottom. The third was close, but still over-rated their abilities substanitally. The only group who evaluated themselves as likely to score lower than they did, was the top 25%.

Actually I have the article here if anyone wants to read it.. No I don't. But it's easy to google and read. Unskilled and Unaware of it.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Paradoxically its probable that most people who have any awareness of this are more likely to be in the minority who are underrating themselves. Also accoridng to the wikipedia entry the opposite of the Dunning-Kruger effect is observed in East Asian countries. I don't think its human nature, there's something culturally at work in the west and America specifically.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
April 19 2012 23:23 GMT
#29
everyone is above average at something
different people take up different hobbies, and the amount of time they spend on that hobby is relatively higher than most others, which leads to similarly increased skill level in whatever that is
which may convince people to generally say they are above average
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
April 20 2012 00:16 GMT
#30
I'm above average at school, I am a near all A student at a fairly difficult American Highschool. I take classes harder than the university here, but that doesn't make me above average as a person, but as a student. I would say I'm average looking aesthetically, though a bit short. Basically, if you put me on a bell curve, on somethings i would be an outlier, on some I would fit right in. Techincally its all about the bell curve and most of us fit on it, if you don't you are either seriously troubled or a genius, but either way a true bell curve outlier is rare.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
April 20 2012 03:36 GMT
#31
I'm probably God.
Merany
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France890 Posts
April 20 2012 04:40 GMT
#32
I enjoyed the read, thank you sir.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
April 20 2012 04:42 GMT
#33
Most TL users are well above average as far as the internet goes
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
April 20 2012 04:58 GMT
#34
I would ditch the part about being "above average in looks"--every person is going to have a different opinion of every other person, simply as the old adage "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" describes.

On traits that can be more systematically measured, such as test scores, grades, etc., but even those don't say much about people.
I don't have a problem with people overvaluing themselves, as it probably helps most people stay sane and in the end people don't really care what your opinion of yourself is--they're perfectly capable of judging you on their own.
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
April 20 2012 05:43 GMT
#35
Compliment sandwich incoming.

This is the best blog I've read of yours.

I find most of your blogs pedantic, overly florid and full of modern social science horseshit.

In the future, I'd recommend either drawing on some concrete fact and extrapolating on it, like you did here, or discussing in depth why you believe one particular idea. That's much better than just stringing together a bunch of dubious claims.

Cheers!
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
April 20 2012 08:09 GMT
#36
Well, I am generally a bit above average Platinum player in SC2. 1.4 on the swedish highschool test (1.0 is the average, 2.0 is the max).

I think it all depends on the situation. As for looks, I really have no idea, it's insanely subjective. While I might score below average on a swedish dating site, I would probably score way above the average on an asian dating site, maybe solely because I'm white and tall, but still, it's all about perspective.
FlamingForce
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands701 Posts
April 20 2012 08:27 GMT
#37
Tbh my feelings of above-averageness usually get confirmed in my everyday life.
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 11:22:07
April 20 2012 11:09 GMT
#38
On April 20 2012 06:37 Drowsy wrote:
But I remember an OKCupid study that revealed that the females on the site rated 80% of males as below average looking which is obviously impossible.


Perfectly possible, if the males on the site were an unrepresentative sample of all males.

Given that this is a dating site, do you think the average attractiveness of members is likely to be higher or lower than the average in the general population?

EDIT: In fact, we don't even need to resort to that explanation.

When a girl rates a guy's attractiveness, she isn't factoring in all the other guys she's ever seen. I mean, if you showed her 50 complete munters in a row, she wouldn't progressively lower her estimation of what 'averagely attractive' was, would she?

No: what she does probably weighted strongly towards using the extremes of attractiveness to which she has previously been exposed to define a midpoint. And because everyone has seen at least a couple of highly attractive models and movie stars, that drags the calculated midpoint a long way from true average. When you watch a lot of telly, everyone around you looks less attractive than you would otherwise find them.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
lolmlg
Profile Joined November 2011
619 Posts
April 20 2012 11:27 GMT
#39
A separate study using the site "Hot or Not", determined that our own self-assessment was significantly higher than what our peers would rate us

This is a significantly error-prone way of testing such a thing. There's extreme skew on Hototnot that divides males and females, people who show cleavage and people who don't, etc.
lolmlg
Profile Joined November 2011
619 Posts
April 20 2012 11:32 GMT
#40
On April 20 2012 20:09 Umpteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 06:37 Drowsy wrote:
But I remember an OKCupid study that revealed that the females on the site rated 80% of males as below average looking which is obviously impossible.


Perfectly possible, if the males on the site were an unrepresentative sample of all males.

Given that this is a dating site, do you think the average attractiveness of members is likely to be higher or lower than the average in the general population?

EDIT: In fact, we don't even need to resort to that explanation.

When a girl rates a guy's attractiveness, she isn't factoring in all the other guys she's ever seen. I mean, if you showed her 50 complete munters in a row, she wouldn't progressively lower her estimation of what 'averagely attractive' was, would she?

No: what she does probably weighted strongly towards using the extremes of attractiveness to which she has previously been exposed to define a midpoint. And because everyone has seen at least a couple of highly attractive models and movie stars, that drags the calculated midpoint a long way from true average. When you watch a lot of telly, everyone around you looks less attractive than you would otherwise find them.

Try going on a site like that and comparing the scores men get to the scores women get. They're drastically different. And since you can't be sure that all or even most of the votes come from people of the opposite gender, it's not as easy as saying that men and women vote differently. Hotornot in particular used to try to force you to vote on pictures of both sexes.
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