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Scoggerbot
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States21 Posts
April 19 2012 02:49 GMT
#1
So I've been playing for over a month now, and I just can't seem to get out of bronze. I've gotten to the 2nd and 3rd place spots in my division, but I can't rack up the consistent wins to come out on top. Most of the times I lose, it has something to do with timing--I have a strong suspicion that it's because I'm terrible with hotkey groups. I navigate the map via mouse scrolling and occasionally clicking on the minimap. If I get into an engagement, I have to focus only on that one instance, and I end up falling behind in macro/etc. What's the best way to get started with hotkey groups? What do I group? How do I divide it up? How do I choose the numbers for my groups? How do I use hotkeys to navigate the map? I play Protoss if that helps. Thanks ahead of time for any advice!

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dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
April 19 2012 03:03 GMT
#2
^^ It's easier if you post a replay, thataway people can look at it see whats really wrong. A lot of times in bronze it comes down to having 1000 minerals at 10 minutes.
deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
April 19 2012 03:09 GMT
#3
I don't want to be harsh because god knows I'm no great player, but if you put a tiny bit of effort into researching it you can easily find out everything you'll need to know. There is Day9 newbie Tuesdays, Beginner Guides in the strategy forum, and You can download replays to watch your favorite players.

This is just the tip of the iceberg of resources you can easily find.
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Korinai
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada413 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 03:27:48
April 19 2012 03:25 GMT
#4
If you want a hotkey setup, this is what I use.

1 - Main Army (you can keep your entire army on one hotkey for a while but eventually you'll want 2-3 groups.
2 - Air Units
3 - Spell Casters
4 - Nexii
5 - Gateways
6/7 - Robo/Stargate.

This enables you to 1a2a3a to attack and 4e to make probes.
As for how you move around the map, try to avoid scrolling. It's ok if you're just moving the camera a small distance, but if I'm moving the screen more than a few screens away, I click on the minimap.

Another good habit to get into is using fkeys. In the hotkey window you should see something called screen locations (I think that's what they're called?) I believe they're bound to F5/F6/F7/F8 by default. You'll want to change these to F1/F2/F3/F4 and use those for stuff. I personally have F1 set as whatever pylon I'm using to warp in and F2/F3/F4 as my main, natural and third respectively.

If you'd like, pm me on TL or add me ingame (Korinai.698) and we can talk about more specific mechanic / race stuff.
"There is nothing more cool than being proud of the things that you love." - Day[9]
TheKwas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Iceland372 Posts
April 19 2012 03:32 GMT
#5
What race do you play? Your hotkey setup will depend on your race in many cases.

I play with a pretty standard Terran set up:

1 - army
2 - army 2nd group (harass dropship, tanks, ghosts, hellions)
3 - barracks
4 - factories
5 - starports
6 - command Centers
9 - upgrade buildings

One you get much better, make ~ into a army hotkey as well so you have 3. Just spam 6543 on a regular basis and keep pumping units out.

Toss generally requires less hotkeys at most lower levels of play, so just have army hotkeys (123, but at your level you only need 1 with toss since toss typically doesn't harass much) robo hotkeys 4 and nexus hotkeyed (5 or 6). Proper zerg hotkeys are a mystery to me.

I also find it usefull to hotkey a plyon somewhere for when I just need to spamwarp units fast.

Move around your minimap by simply doubleclicking your hotkeys. If you need to go back to your base: doubletap your nexus or CC hotkey. Need to go to your army, doubletap your army hotkey. At higher levels you can start using actual screen hotkeys, but don't even attempt that if you're currently being overwhelmed by the basics.

tpmraven
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States833 Posts
April 19 2012 05:06 GMT
#6
to get started, im not going to suggest as many hotkeys as everyone else.

Try just putting all your army on 1
your nexus on 2
Your main unit production buildings on 3

This will keep your hands on one side of the keyboard.

Switch your hotkey setup to grid.
This will put everything you need on the left side of the keyboard.

I had this exact setup untill top plat.
Now i use cutstom hotkeys and use a few more unit hotkeys, and im forever diamond.

I am thirty, so diamond isnt to shabby for an old man. gl :D
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TuElite
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 06:43:07
April 19 2012 06:42 GMT
#7
Read this, I guess this would have to be the most appropriate advice for you.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=308882
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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
April 19 2012 08:39 GMT
#8
If you play terran, go to youtube and search for "filtersc" and his Bronze to Masters series. He teaches you in a very smart fashion how to play a build which focuses only on macro and let's you improve steadily and easily. It's pure fundamentals in a form which is easy to learn and use.
run.at.me
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia550 Posts
April 19 2012 08:53 GMT
#9
man i didnt use hotkeys until platinum, trying to use hotkeys (1-7? LOL) n bronze is a joke. Maybe 2 hotkeys, 1 for youre main army, and 5 for nexus/hatch/cc.

i say the SAME THING to every single noob about how to learn sc2 fast. do this in these steps and you will improve massively. in the level of important from 1-3

1. MAKE MONEY. Chrono probes/mules/ drones, KEEP MAKIN EM, dont fuckign stop making them, and dont cue up 5 workers, i just mean constant worker production.

2. SPEND MONEY. when ur noob, if u did step 1 right, you will have 2000+ minerals. You will learn to SPEND IT, drop more racks/gateways, hatches, fuck even if u dont NEED marines, fucking make marines to spend that money, i don't care how you do it, just get to 0

3. Balance the 1 and 2. you'll be in gold if you do 1 and 2 correctly, and from there can you only execute and UNDERSTAND build orders.

the above steps are simple, and its all you need to know (fundamentally speaking)

i got to masters in liek 5-6 months (which is genius or anything) but i played a lot, and just watched streams, found out what worked and what didnt, etc etc
chocopan
Profile Joined April 2010
Japan986 Posts
April 19 2012 10:30 GMT
#10
Totally start using hotkeys now. No I mean right now. No reason to put it off.

As with any change to the way you play, you are going to lose games. Maybe lots of games. Until you use hotkeys instinctively, the way you can currently play with the mouse or whatever instinctively. At that point, you will have greatly improved your game.

Just don't be afraid to change habits that you know are bad. You aren't gaining yourself anything at all by training yourself to play in an uneconomical way.

Good luck!
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Lokk
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 12:22:29
April 19 2012 12:22 GMT
#11
as Protoss imo, hotkey your whole army to one and use tab to go through ur spell casters. and only stalkers on 2. and since ur low rank hotkey nexus 4 and robo 3 or 5 what ever you like. At bronze level i dont think you have to hotkey much more, w is for waprgates so yeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
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Iankill
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada109 Posts
April 19 2012 12:39 GMT
#12
You should read Gheeds blogs on bronze league they might help you gain the knowledge you need to escape the bronze league.
Here is the first one although there are several before that focus on worker rushing.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=308882
QueenElissa
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada33 Posts
April 19 2012 13:01 GMT
#13
Probes and Pylons!
Not here for the Fame, Just for the Game!!
Scoggerbot
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States21 Posts
April 21 2012 15:51 GMT
#14
Wow! Thanks for all the replies! I have been astounded at the sheer response I get in this community anytime I post something. I will read some blogs and try to focus on just using a couple of hotkeys at first to get started.
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