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I've been getting incredibly frustrated with SC II recently. I'm in college, and getting behind at the start of this semester has decided to bite me in the ass, and with all the time I have to spend studying and doing work for school to catch back up, it's hard to find time to ladder.
Ordinarily this would be fine; I can live without playing 24/7. The problem arises from the fact that I've somehow managed to improve considerably as a player without laddering a lot to increase my MMR. At present, I'm ~rank 20 Gold, and I don't think I've lost any games since my "Oh shit; I know how to play!" moment (aside from an awkward game today where I accidentily played random and ended up with Terran, my absolute worst race).
I'm playing against high Golds, mid Plats, and I got a game in against a Diamond level Protoss as well. The problem? Every game I've played has been easy. I mean ridiculously easy.
I used to have on and off ladder anxiety, but now I just don't feel like laddering at all because it doesn't even feel like I'm playing. There's no challenge, no "ohshit!" moments where I'm scrambling to get a defense up or hold a push; even if they push, I hold with ease and then take another base or two.
None of this is meant to imply that I'm an amazing player either; my macro of late has been decent at best; I forget to make macro hatches and get supply blocked occasionally once I've safely droned up 3 bases and start actually making army. I'm frequently in situations where I'll just A-move 20 mutas into a marine ball and let them all die, out of nothing more than laziness.
I can lose 20 mutas and kill 4 marines and still be very much in the lead. I can flood a hundred lings into a Terran's wall and lose them all to siege tanks with the knowledge that no matter what he does I'm still too far ahead to lose, unless I walk away from my computer or something.
I'm pretty much smashing everyone I play against, and at the end of the game it's honestly painful to be polite and give my opponent a "gg". It feels wrong to imply in any way that what my opponents are doing can be construed as "good"; I'm playing sloppily, making major decisions on a whim, and generally playing horribly, yet my opponents' are letting me win anyway.
I can't devote enough time to ladder up to a level that will actually offer some challenge, and what little time I do have to play I hesitate to waste on a mind-numbingly easy ladder game or two. I just want to have a challenge >_<
 
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I don't want to burst your bubble, but to get a challenge you need to play more and rank up. I'm trying to sort this out logically.
1. You don't have time to ladder.
2. If you think you're better than what is shown by your MMR, then play tournaments, those offer a challenge and you get to make money if you're really that good.
Regards
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I hope someone out there is making a "TL Humblebrag Hall of Fame" for posts like these
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Calgary25971 Posts
I know what you mean. It's like you really expect the guy in the $4300 suit to hold the door for you? COME ON.
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0/5 stars.. stupidest blog ive ever read.
go fuckin play the game ... you're obviously not at your actual league.. stop qqing about it being too easy, this game is fucking hard
"i can lose 20 mutas to 4 marines and still be ahead, QQ this game so easy"
l m f a o....
and who says GG after they win anyway? no one does this.... so another reason why this is retarded blog.
sorry for speaking my opinion, but you asked for it.
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It feels wrong to imply in any way that what my opponents are doing can be construed as "good"
Such a shit attitude. It's not about saying your opponent did anything good, but it happens that he beats you and as you are not a dick (?) you stay civilized and polite, and you don't behave like one of this moronic rude internet nerds who think they can behave like complete jerk because they are hidden behind their screen. So you say gg like a decent human being and leave.
Seriously.
I never missed a gg in 1v1 unless my opponent has himself be excessively rude. It's almost a question of self respect. I have high enough esteem of myself to think that I can handle a loss without behaving like a dog.
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I have a really funny feeling his "Oh shit; I know how to play!" moment was a few days ago and since he only plays 1-2 games a day he is on around a 5 win streak and thinks he can't lose to gold/plat players.
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On April 05 2012 03:34 huameng wrote:
I hope someone out there is making a "TL Humblebrag Hall of Fame" for posts like these
I don't even think this qualifies as a humblebrag. It's just a brag. I hope this is a troll, otherwise  .
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I'm at work right now. I wasn't even logged you see! But this was so amazing that I had to stop by to just let out my
LOL
Actually this blog is such a big fat lie, I was expecting some guy who was genuinely raging because he cares about this game and he gets so sensitive that he can't get himself to type GG after he loses yet one more game but he still feels bad because he didn't GG a worthy opponent and what I got was a gold zerg who let his beloved mutas die for nothing bragging about how he can do that and still win AND NOT GG.
(and, if you are not losing games you are not expected to gg, they gg and if they are fast enough you wont even have time to gg)
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While you were writing this blog you could have probably played a ladder game.. just sayin..
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So play when you can, and if you keep winning your MMR will shoot up, matching you against better players. Why take the time to post this?
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If you won't gg to someone because you think their play is bad, you probably shouldn't be calling anything you do in this game even "decent," because it's not decent if you're in gold/plat. Sorry buddy.
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This guy isn't good at the game, so I don't think its a brag blog...
If you're only in gold/plat, then nothing you are going can be thought of as good either, so your opponents shouldn't gg you.
SC2 is a manner game, you should gg at the end when you lose. When you win, you don't have to because the person you play against will generally leave after he ggs.
If you're not finding a challenge when you're playing now, then keep on winning. Go on a 20 game win streak and get your mmr up to masters. If you're not korean gm level, then you will at some point find a challenge on ladder. i played my friends account and went on a 20 game win streak and it put me from bronze to masters. It doesn't matter if you did this in 1 week, like I did, or 6 months, because blizz doesn't care how much time you take to play unless you skip 2 seasons in a row and your mmr resets.
Keep on playing when you can, try to entertain yourself by microing and macroing, and at some point you will get a challenge on ladder.
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On April 05 2012 03:46 Chill wrote:
I know what you mean. It's like you really expect the guy in the $4300 suit to hold the door for you? COME ON.
LOLOL amazing
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Guys, this is Nestea, he forgot today is April 4 not 1st.
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On April 05 2012 04:40 EtherealDeath wrote:
Guys, this is Nestea, he forgot today is April 4 not 1st.
I'm waiting for an "I'M NESTEA" anytime soon now
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If he is only playing a few matches a day and used to play a lot more, then he is probably winning because, peculiarly enough, the first few matches of the day you tend to play an order of magnitude above what you would around the fifth or so game of the day.
I typically NEVER lose the first match, win the second match most of the time, usually win the third and then afterwards it starts to get to a point where I wonder how the hell I got so bad in just 1-2 hours. In the end, I settled into the habit of playing 1-3 games a day and despite the fact I rarely ever lost, I never really got promoted. MMR is weird like that.
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I'M NESTEA
Too soon ?
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You have misconceptions about the game and about etiquette. You can't be winning every game without playing harder opponents and ranking unless you mean you played 5 games and won them all. 20 games in a row doesn't happen without you being significantly better than your opponents so if you had a SC epiphany and now have great game sense and mechanics, you are lying.
GG doesn't mean the game was good...if that were the case, no one under the pro level should type it. Most games are atrocious but GG'ing is basic StarCraft table manners if you will. Who cares that you were both floating money like crazy...it's like a kid playing tee ball and after the game saying, "Well, we didn't really play like major league players and we stomped you...I'm not shaking your hand." It's an arbitrary act to show respect...I hope you and the plethora of other narcissists that are posting these blogs lately have fun at the top of GM. I'm sure we'll all be begging for replay packs soon enough.
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On April 05 2012 03:46 Chill wrote:
I know what you mean. It's like you really expect the guy in the $4300 suit to hold the door for you? COME ON.
Yeah, like he's going to take a whiz through this $5,000 suit! COME ON!
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Play the playhem or other dailies.
That'll shake your nerves and put you well out of your comfort zone.
Even if the games are easy to start with, you'll get smashed by someone sooner or later.
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NA ladder too ez obv
At least we know blizzards plan to falsely boost your confidence with the ladder leagues is working. This would never happen on iccup D:
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On April 05 2012 03:46 Chill wrote:
I know what you mean. It's like you really expect the guy in the $4300 suit to hold the door for you? COME ON.
COME ONE!
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just play 20-30 more games and you'll eventually get your MMR in the right place.
It's just so weird to see someone in gold league not wanting to play because the game seems to easy for him.
It's like complaining guitar is to easy because you can play 3 nirvana songs. Just play more and you'll find things that are REALLY challenging.
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The idea of GG to me, is the same as the line up at the end of a sporting even where both teams cross mid field and give each other high fives and say 'Good Game' to each individual player.
It's about congratulating the player you're playing against for doing there best, even if they came up a little short. Or perhaps in your case, far short.
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
I'm playing against high Golds, mid Plats, and I got a game in against a Diamond level Protoss as well.
Seriously, guys?
I am very disappointed, it is clear that the modern Teamliquid Blog Troll Detection team is not living up the high standards set by its predecessors.
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On April 05 2012 03:58 CatsnHats wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 03:34 huameng wrote:
I hope someone out there is making a "TL Humblebrag Hall of Fame" for posts like these I don't even think this qualifies as a humblebrag. It's just a brag. I hope this is a troll, otherwise .
Its not even a good brag. "Hey guys I'm so good I beat this diamond player one time and I regularly outmacro gold players."
I think you should probably stop laddering op, when you play better players and discover that you're not in fact as good as you think you are at the game it might cause critical damage to your ego, a shock this big might send you into a coma.
I'm not a doctor but I could be if I could be bothered to do 7 years of med school so you should listen to me when I tell you to never ladder again or you might go into a permanent coma.
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This is actually pretty funny how ill conceived this blog was.
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As hard as it may be, you will play better and be in a better mindset if you GG every game (whether or not you think your opponent played a "good" game)
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United States328 Posts
Oh my god, you matched up against a diamond protoss?! Swoon. Tastosis will soon declare you best player in the world.
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Really? It's time to fly to korea and give yourself a shot of code A qualifiers! Ezpz
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how about just typing "g" instead of "gg"
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ITT the point flies over everyone's heads.
I'm well aware that I'm not some Code-S player. My point isn't that "omg I'm so good that I should be rank 1 GM". My point is that I want to log in to Starcraft, queue up for a ladder game, and have a legitimate challenge. At the moment the people I'm getting matched against aren't challenging for me to beat. The ladder is meant to give you players that are around your skill level to play and practice against, but at the moment I'm facing people that are boring to play against, and with the small amount of time I have to play each day it's hard to justify using that time to play on the ladder.
I guess my frustration is getting unfairly displaced onto my opponents with the whole lack of GG thing, which a lot of you latched onto way more than I expected.
On April 05 2012 03:46 Gae wrote:
bet you wont 1v1 me doe
This was honestly what I was hoping I'd find more of. I'd love to 1v1 you =D
On April 05 2012 03:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I never missed a gg in 1v1 unless my opponent has himself be excessively rude. It's almost a question of self respect. I have high enough esteem of myself to think that I can handle a loss without behaving like a dog.
I was more talking about GGing after I win. (i.e. after we both leave the game, sending my opponent "GG, wp") I used to do this after every game, mostly because it was sincere, and now I can't really justify it.
I always GG at a loss though. It's hard to play a game that challenges you more than a game you lost. =P
On April 05 2012 04:07 Th1rdEye wrote:
While you were writing this blog you could have probably played a ladder game.. just sayin..
I was in the one class that I'm not insanely behind in (I'm actually a bit ahead) and for whatever reason that prof takes attendance.
On April 05 2012 04:23 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:
This guy isn't good at the game, so I don't think its a brag blog...
If you're only in gold/plat, then nothing you are going can be thought of as good either, so your opponents shouldn't gg you.
SC2 is a manner game, you should gg at the end when you lose. When you win, you don't have to because the person you play against will generally leave after he ggs.
If you're not finding a challenge when you're playing now, then keep on winning. Go on a 20 game win streak and get your mmr up to masters. If you're not korean gm level, then you will at some point find a challenge on ladder. i played my friends account and went on a 20 game win streak and it put me from bronze to masters. It doesn't matter if you did this in 1 week, like I did, or 6 months, because blizz doesn't care how much time you take to play unless you skip 2 seasons in a row and your mmr resets.
Keep on playing when you can, try to entertain yourself by microing and macroing, and at some point you will get a challenge on ladder.
Someone gets it! Thanks for the response =D You're the only person to not assume I'm a raging narcissist. =P
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On April 05 2012 06:40 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 03:58 CatsnHats wrote:On April 05 2012 03:34 huameng wrote:
I hope someone out there is making a "TL Humblebrag Hall of Fame" for posts like these I don't even think this qualifies as a humblebrag. It's just a brag. I hope this is a troll, otherwise . Its not even a good brag. "Hey guys I'm so good I beat this diamond player one time and I regularly outmacro gold players." I think you should probably stop laddering op, when you play better players and discover that you're not in fact as good as you think you are at the game it might cause critical damage to your ego, a shock this big might send you into a coma. I'm not a doctor but I could be if I could be bothered to do 7 years of med school so you should listen to me when I tell you to never ladder again or you might go into a permanent coma.
I think BW iCCup ladder is good for that. If you can play the game a little, you are D. When you are really decent, you are D+. When you are actually good you are C- or even C. Everything beyond, you are an elite player.
For someone who doesn't know the game, a C player is something unbelievable, since you need very decent mechanics (200 / + apm usually) to reach that level.
I have heard that a SC2 ladder equivalent would mean that everybody below master would be more or less D, mayyybe D+. In BW, you really needed to be amazing to start taking pride of your play. Coming and say "yoyo I'm awesome, I'm D+" is not something people would do, because below D+ was only D and D-, and on top of it was all the way to A+. While on the SC2 ladder, people take pride and start to brag because they got into diamond or gold or I don't know what and so they have a zillion copper / aluminium / iron / cotton / whatever material noob divisions below them.
tl;dr: play BW to discover that you suck and you should never ever take pride of your play until you reach grand master or something like that. Because if you don't, you are bad. Don't try to find excuses, don't try to think "I could be there"; you are not. And yes, 99,99% people are bad. And do gg, whether you lose or win. Your opponent didn't play well and is not worth gging after he loses? Good news, you played bad too, and you are probably just as awful as he is. You will start being able to say "I'm so good I don't need to gg" without looking like a douche when you are IdrA, not before. And actually, even if you reach his level, do gg, because himself too looks like an immature arrogant kid when he doesn't.
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On April 07 2012 17:25 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 06:40 Eufouria wrote:On April 05 2012 03:58 CatsnHats wrote:On April 05 2012 03:34 huameng wrote:
I hope someone out there is making a "TL Humblebrag Hall of Fame" for posts like these I don't even think this qualifies as a humblebrag. It's just a brag. I hope this is a troll, otherwise . Its not even a good brag. "Hey guys I'm so good I beat this diamond player one time and I regularly outmacro gold players." I think you should probably stop laddering op, when you play better players and discover that you're not in fact as good as you think you are at the game it might cause critical damage to your ego, a shock this big might send you into a coma. I'm not a doctor but I could be if I could be bothered to do 7 years of med school so you should listen to me when I tell you to never ladder again or you might go into a permanent coma. I think BW iCCup ladder is good for that. If you can play the game a little, you are D. When you are really decent, you are D+. When you are actually good you are C- or even C. Everything beyond, you are an elite player. For someone who doesn't know the game, a C player is something unbelievable, since you need very decent mechanics (200 / + apm usually) to reach that level. I have heard that a SC2 ladder equivalent would mean that everybody below master would be more or less D, mayyybe D+. In BW, you really needed to be amazing to start taking pride of your play. Coming and say "yoyo I'm awesome, I'm D+" is not something people would do, because below D+ was only D and D-, and on top of it was all the way to A+. While on the SC2 ladder, people take pride and start to brag because they got into diamond or gold or I don't know what and so they have a zillion copper / aluminium / iron / cotton / whatever material noob divisions below them. tl;dr: play BW to discover that you suck and you should never ever take pride of your play until you reach grand master or something like that. Because if you don't, you are bad. Don't try to find excuses, don't try to think "I could be there"; you are not. And yes, 99,99% people are bad. And do gg, whether you lose or win. Your opponent didn't play well and is not worth gging after he loses? Good news, you played bad too, and you are probably just as awful as he is. You will start being able to say "I'm so good I don't need to gg" without looking like a douche when you are IdrA, not before. And actually, even if you reach his level, do gg, because himself too looks like an immature arrogant kid when he doesn't.
I'd agree with you in regards to viewing ladder rankings as an absolute measurement of skill; being in Gold or Paltinum or even Diamond isn't really brag-worthy, it just means you have a decent understanding what to do and the mechanics to do it.
I'm not sure if you were responding to my OP or not, but if you were I feel I should clarify; I'm not saying that I deserve to be in Platinum or Diamond with my play. In fact, it's not even about how I "deserve" a higher ranking or league; I just want the ladder to match me up with more skilled players so I can start losing and be forced to improve more than I am currently.
As for gging whether I lose or win, every loss should be gg'ed to. I think that's just a given, as if you lose your opponent did play a good game, for sure. But gging to a player you beat with ease - say a Protoss on one base with 3 stalkers at 8 minutes - just seems downright dishonest and condescending. It'll never come off as anything but sarcastic. It wasn't a good game, I A-clicked your main with 10 roaches and won. That is the kind of stuff I don't feel like saying gg to.
My criteria for a good game is more or less having a moment where I am worried or surprised by something my opponent is doing. If I win a game where I felt worried or surprised, I now have something to prove my honesty when I tell my opponent it was a good game; I can point out how scary their push was, or how unexpected their techswitch to air was. Without something specific to compliment and say "Damn, that thing you did was really cool!" a post-game gg from the winner just comes off as dickish and condescending.
I'm not winning and telling my opponent how "EZ" he is or how he should just uninstall; I'm just not lying to my opponent's face and claiming a boring game was a good game.
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I don't see the point of this blog.
So you don't want to gg people when they leave the game. Well duh, no one does that.
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Post match history screenshot please.
That should clear some things up.
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So you make a post to complain about how you're not being given a challenge, you title it "Typing GG is hard for me", then when people get "caught up" on the whole gg part of the post (which I'd like to remind you, is the title of the thread) and they point out that all you have to do is play more to get that challenge you want, you claim that the point flies over everyone's head?
You either have no idea how to get your point across, or you actually did have some ulterior motive when posting this, maybe even subconsciously if you want to argue that you had no such intentions.
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On April 10 2012 02:57 Classysaurus wrote:
You either have no idea how to get your point across, or you actually did have some ulterior motive when posting this, maybe even subconsciously if you want to argue that you had no such intentions.
Probably the first one. If I had to guess I'd say my attempt to make my writing humorous/entertaining rather than purely informative is the problem. I can convey an idea with excellent clarity and specificity, but it is the most dry reading you could ever be presented. =\
Only thing I can do is keep trying I suppose.
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On April 10 2012 04:38 Kasha_Not_Kesha wrote:
Probably the first one. If I had to guess I'd say my attempt to make my writing humorous/entertaining rather than purely informative is the problem. I can convey an idea with excellent clarity and specificity, but it is the most dry reading you could ever be presented. =\
Only thing I can do is keep trying I suppose.
Publish scientific papers. 
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