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Vega62a
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
946 Posts
March 30 2012 20:45 GMT
#21
The arguing's gotten out of hand and the offending parties have been banned. To those of you who have stories to share, by all means, please share them.
Content of my posts reflects only my personal opinions, and not those of any employer or subsidiary
Vega62a
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
946 Posts
March 30 2012 22:06 GMT
#22
On March 31 2012 02:03 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 22:46 Vega62a wrote:
Without replying to everybody individually, I would like to ask that the advice and arguments about said advice which are being tossed around on this thread cease. The only advice that can be given out by anybody without training as a psychiatrist, psychologist, or licensed social worker is to go see one of those people. They will give you more specific help. Unlicensed, unverified psychological advice is more dangerous than it is helpful to people suffering from psychiatric disorders.

To settle all of these arguments quickly and quietly:

Medication helps some people. Other people it does not help. A psychiatrist will help determine this with you.

Having a healthy lifestyle helps some people. Other people it does not help. Both psychiatrists and psychologists are licensed to help make this determination with you.

Again, the arguing stops after this post (Angel's post, actually, as I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt). That is not what this blog is for. If you want to share your experiences and tell us how various things have or have not helped you, you're welcome to. If you feel the need to reply and say "well if you'd just do this you might feel better," don't.

---

A couple of replies:

On March 30 2012 11:38 obesechicken13 wrote:
I don't actually think it's as simple as "get treatment." Its something people like me struggle with through their entire life. Hoping always to make some ground and to hold it.


If you've gotten treatment, you know it's anything but simple.

I've struggled with it my entire life, as well, as has my girlfriend. We both have a hard time gaining traction in our respective areas. But you can't start if you don't start.

I hope you are seeking help. If not, I hope you will. Whatever else it is, it's a start.

It is a start, but I haven't really heard of anyone who's beaten procrastination. I know noone who doesn't procrastinate at all. I
don't think therapy helps but I could be wrong.


We're not talking about simple procrastination. Please reread more closely - if you're still not 100% on what we're talking about I'll be glad to elaborate in a PM.
Content of my posts reflects only my personal opinions, and not those of any employer or subsidiary
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
April 01 2012 23:45 GMT
#23
I'll reread. Concerning therapy. How much does it generally cost?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
April 01 2012 23:49 GMT
#24
On April 02 2012 08:45 obesechicken13 wrote:
I'll reread. Concerning therapy. How much does it generally cost?


it depends on your insurance and the therapist's communication with your insurance on how much therapy you really "need".

I know my co-pay up until a month ago was 100 bucks. and i went every week.
Vega62a
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
946 Posts
April 02 2012 14:12 GMT
#25
On April 02 2012 08:45 obesechicken13 wrote:
I'll reread. Concerning therapy. How much does it generally cost?


My copay is $25. Depends entirely on your insurer, but never pay out of pocket.
Content of my posts reflects only my personal opinions, and not those of any employer or subsidiary
Westy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
England808 Posts
April 04 2012 07:42 GMT
#26
I suffer from a lot of the same problems described in this thread. Been dealing with anxiety and depression for years. I am at the point where I can live a very basic normal life, but there seems to be this fear stopping me from really achieving anything. Before I read this I was actually tempted to make my own blog post on how it affects me and SC2. I am a talented player (Copper to High master/GM on EU since beta with only about 1k 1v1's played), but I still feel this fear stopping from practicing as much as I could be. I barely play about 5 hours a week, yet I have enough spare time to be playing 5 hours a day.

Doesn't just affect me in SC2 though, affects my business, my desire to make music, personal relationships. It smothers everything. Thinking of going back to the Doctors soon to see if there is a next step (Had a few weeks of counselling about 3 years ago). Wonder what he will recommend this time.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
April 04 2012 11:25 GMT
#27
Reread. It took my a while since I trailed off to youtube every few minutes.

For me, anyway, my mind races, and as it races, a million ways I could fuck it up, let myself down, let others down, be subject to ridicule, cause disappointment flash through my mind at roughly one million miles per minute. None of it is particularly coherent.

This doesn't happen to me. I know the feeling. It's the feeling I get when I try to think of infinity or some recursive algorithm that draws out something like a mendelbrot series in my head. I'm lying in bed probably drugged with something and I can't shut my brain down. It's a scary feeling.

But it's not a feeling I get from work. I don't have the same degree of anxiety you do but I do seem to have difficulty doing the things I need to do or that I should be doing. I haven't applied to coop jobs and will likely work at my old workplace from last summer this summer and keep applying for a yearlong one over the summer.
I have had a month to post on the discussion board for my course but haven't started and it's due Friday.

This sucks.
I try to deal with it and to try to limit my ability to procrastinate by removing the possibility of distraction or using larger fears like looking a fool in front of others to motivate myself.
What else can I do? I'd have to check if my parent's insurance covered me. But I don't want to.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
sapht
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden141 Posts
April 04 2012 23:37 GMT
#28
I have similar problems and I've been trying to solve them on my own since I was a young teenageer. Now 22 in a month I still struggle with procastrination and the general feeling of worthlessness emerging fron the inability to just do the fuking dishes and take out the damn trash. Perhaps my situation is milder than yours, as I have quite the repertoire of coping mechanisms. A most important one is the recent realisation that I probably have ADD. I am biologically predisposed to get a headache from repetition and procastrinate mundane or daunting tasks.

The upside is my realisation that I thrive on what I call "newness". As long as a situation is new, I can focus like no other time. I try to consciously make the inverse decision than I normally would. I need a degree of chaos and uncertainty to feed my brain and stay mellow during retarded things like doing the damn dishes.

I used to struggle a lot against the mountain of my underachievements, thinking "If I'm so smart, why don't I X already?" or "I think I can do this, but I haven't done it, so I probably can't."

But then I re-realised, as I've done since I first thought about myself from an outside perspective: "Holy shit, I can't control anything. Everything I do is a consequence of my circumstances and the chemical balance of my brain. I can only gain insight into what I am, but never change it. I can only optimise my condition and chemical balance indirectly, through introspection." What this means is: as long as I'm self-aware that I feel like crap, and as long as I allow myself to accept the entirety of crapness, sorrow, hatred, and keep them in my mind, I can self-correct. If I'm carrying a burden of supressed emotion for the purpose to stay productive, the cloud will just grow bigger and engulf everything. This goes on until I cannot perform at all, and then I start doubting myself.

But it's really because I have more important things to deal with. Things involving my very self -- not only the things I do. I believe the "chaos part" is relevant because of I don't attempt to go auto-pilot, and I'm put in a situation where I actually need to use the entirety of my brain, the black cloud resides. I guess there's simply no room for sorrow in an exciting place.

Being raised and self-identified a male, I also reached another shocking conclusion: I have trained myself never to cry. I have learned that crying is bad and that males don't do it. Sure I thought.

What a horrible sentiment. Perhaps useful 10000 years ago battling against nazis and dinosaurs. I need to cry. I need my full brain active to do my work, which relies on creativity and ingenuity, not brute force. I should not supress any feelings. If I'm angry I should punch a fucking hole in the wall. If I'm in despair I should curl up in a ball and shiver. If I'm sad I should just cry some fucking tears. I should most definitely /not/ try and write another line of code, check my email, write a song or look for an employer.

You need to be there. Inside the hurt. Inside the anger, the fear, the sorrow. Go in the and figure out what it is. Then go in there again, and again, every single time you recognise there's something there.

People always give advise like "see a therapist" and "it gets better". I don't like that advise. If I tell someone how I feel, I want them to tell me how they feel. I want them to put my problem in their world, and see if the recognize anything. So I'm not going to tell you that. I'm going to tell you that it probably hurts a hell lot more than you think and the damage is irreversible. But most importantly: Never forget to cry.
You can use control groups to train units without even looking at your base.
Zariel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1291 Posts
April 05 2012 01:28 GMT
#29
Routine. It's what you need to keep your mind and body in check.

I had a good family/home to live in up until I was 20. Mum always cooked, washed, took care of me all the time. I went to school, high school and got into university. Got decent grades in school but I always underachieved, never put in any real effort into anything.

After my parents split up (lived with dad for a bit), I vowed to myself that I would change. Never to be dependent on anyone for anything, I didn't want to depend on someone to do my washing, cooking, and more importantly, money. In order to do this, I saved up 3 months worth of pay as a computer repairer ($3000 AUD) and I moved out of home, rented a unit, bought furniture, whitegoods n necessities. Started to learn to cook, use a washing machine, clean my place and cherished money. No longer would I recklessly spend my pay on drugs and partying every weekend.

I work Monday to Friday 9am-6pm. Saturday 9am-2pm, whilst trying to complete my last 2 years of my accounting degree, my grades actually went up after I moved out of home, from barely passes to credit average. Trust me, living out of home, working full time and studying is not the easiest thing in the world. However, I was more focused in classes and did my homework on time and more thorough. Through my valiant efforts, my graduation ceremony will be on the 17th this month (yay!).

However, now that I've completed my accounting degree, I should really look for a proper job instead of simply fixing computers for a living. I need a career. My job currently pays me $40,000 per year, which is actually very comfortable for my expenses, I'm just too content with what I have but my friends are getting paid more than me, I used to be the one shouting them drinks, PC Bang n food back in highschool/1st year uni. An accounting job should net me $50,000 starting salary with ability to increase as I move up the rank, but it's near impossible for a computer repairer to increase their salary.


PS: Make your mamma proud. Just think of her eyes if she sees you like this.
sup
Westy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
England808 Posts
April 05 2012 05:27 GMT
#30
On April 05 2012 10:28 Zariel wrote:
Routine. It's what you need to keep your mind and body in check.

I had a good family/home to live in up until I was 20. Mum always cooked, washed, took care of me all the time. I went to school, high school and got into university. Got decent grades in school but I always underachieved, never put in any real effort into anything.

After my parents split up (lived with dad for a bit), I vowed to myself that I would change. Never to be dependent on anyone for anything, I didn't want to depend on someone to do my washing, cooking, and more importantly, money. In order to do this, I saved up 3 months worth of pay as a computer repairer ($3000 AUD) and I moved out of home, rented a unit, bought furniture, whitegoods n necessities. Started to learn to cook, use a washing machine, clean my place and cherished money. No longer would I recklessly spend my pay on drugs and partying every weekend.

I work Monday to Friday 9am-6pm. Saturday 9am-2pm, whilst trying to complete my last 2 years of my accounting degree, my grades actually went up after I moved out of home, from barely passes to credit average. Trust me, living out of home, working full time and studying is not the easiest thing in the world. However, I was more focused in classes and did my homework on time and more thorough. Through my valiant efforts, my graduation ceremony will be on the 17th this month (yay!).

However, now that I've completed my accounting degree, I should really look for a proper job instead of simply fixing computers for a living. I need a career. My job currently pays me $40,000 per year, which is actually very comfortable for my expenses, I'm just too content with what I have but my friends are getting paid more than me, I used to be the one shouting them drinks, PC Bang n food back in highschool/1st year uni. An accounting job should net me $50,000 starting salary with ability to increase as I move up the rank, but it's near impossible for a computer repairer to increase their salary.


PS: Make your mamma proud. Just think of her eyes if she sees you like this.


Don't mean to be rude, but I don't think you understood this thread.

This post feels like the equivalent of me walking up to someone with broken legs and explaining to them how I can walk.
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 11:35:46
April 06 2012 11:35 GMT
#31
On April 05 2012 14:27 Westy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 10:28 Zariel wrote:
Routine. It's what you need to keep your mind and body in check.

I had a good family/home to live in up until I was 20. Mum always cooked, washed, took care of me all the time. I went to school, high school and got into university. Got decent grades in school but I always underachieved, never put in any real effort into anything.

After my parents split up (lived with dad for a bit), I vowed to myself that I would change. Never to be dependent on anyone for anything, I didn't want to depend on someone to do my washing, cooking, and more importantly, money. In order to do this, I saved up 3 months worth of pay as a computer repairer ($3000 AUD) and I moved out of home, rented a unit, bought furniture, whitegoods n necessities. Started to learn to cook, use a washing machine, clean my place and cherished money. No longer would I recklessly spend my pay on drugs and partying every weekend.

I work Monday to Friday 9am-6pm. Saturday 9am-2pm, whilst trying to complete my last 2 years of my accounting degree, my grades actually went up after I moved out of home, from barely passes to credit average. Trust me, living out of home, working full time and studying is not the easiest thing in the world. However, I was more focused in classes and did my homework on time and more thorough. Through my valiant efforts, my graduation ceremony will be on the 17th this month (yay!).

However, now that I've completed my accounting degree, I should really look for a proper job instead of simply fixing computers for a living. I need a career. My job currently pays me $40,000 per year, which is actually very comfortable for my expenses, I'm just too content with what I have but my friends are getting paid more than me, I used to be the one shouting them drinks, PC Bang n food back in highschool/1st year uni. An accounting job should net me $50,000 starting salary with ability to increase as I move up the rank, but it's near impossible for a computer repairer to increase their salary.


PS: Make your mamma proud. Just think of her eyes if she sees you like this.


Don't mean to be rude, but I don't think you understood this thread.

This post feels like the equivalent of me walking up to someone with broken legs and explaining to them how I can walk.

his post reminds me of when my friend asked me "have you tried just being happy?"
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
April 09 2012 22:42 GMT
#32
I kinda don't want this thread to die since there's still more I can learn.

On April 06 2012 20:35 B.I.G. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 14:27 Westy wrote:
On April 05 2012 10:28 Zariel wrote:
Routine. It's what you need to keep your mind and body in check.

I had a good family/home to live in up until I was 20. Mum always cooked, washed, took care of me all the time. I went to school, high school and got into university. Got decent grades in school but I always underachieved, never put in any real effort into anything.

After my parents split up (lived with dad for a bit), I vowed to myself that I would change. Never to be dependent on anyone for anything, I didn't want to depend on someone to do my washing, cooking, and more importantly, money. In order to do this, I saved up 3 months worth of pay as a computer repairer ($3000 AUD) and I moved out of home, rented a unit, bought furniture, whitegoods n necessities. Started to learn to cook, use a washing machine, clean my place and cherished money. No longer would I recklessly spend my pay on drugs and partying every weekend.

I work Monday to Friday 9am-6pm. Saturday 9am-2pm, whilst trying to complete my last 2 years of my accounting degree, my grades actually went up after I moved out of home, from barely passes to credit average. Trust me, living out of home, working full time and studying is not the easiest thing in the world. However, I was more focused in classes and did my homework on time and more thorough. Through my valiant efforts, my graduation ceremony will be on the 17th this month (yay!).

However, now that I've completed my accounting degree, I should really look for a proper job instead of simply fixing computers for a living. I need a career. My job currently pays me $40,000 per year, which is actually very comfortable for my expenses, I'm just too content with what I have but my friends are getting paid more than me, I used to be the one shouting them drinks, PC Bang n food back in highschool/1st year uni. An accounting job should net me $50,000 starting salary with ability to increase as I move up the rank, but it's near impossible for a computer repairer to increase their salary.


PS: Make your mamma proud. Just think of her eyes if she sees you like this.


Don't mean to be rude, but I don't think you understood this thread.

This post feels like the equivalent of me walking up to someone with broken legs and explaining to them how I can walk.

his post reminds me of when my friend asked me "have you tried just being happy?"

It's more about how he experienced a lifechanging event. Of course not all of us can find that sudden inspiration.

I was also a bit confused by the post that guy above made about not being afraid to cry. I understood the part about chemical imbalances but what good does allowing oneself to cry do?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
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