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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
March 19 2012 20:24 GMT
#1
Let me start this blog by just saying that I am writing this while incredibly angry, so its possible that I might go past the line, if that happens hopefully you guys can forgive me.

I am at a point in starcraft, where I cannot contain my anger anymore. Specifically, my anger towards protoss, protoss players, protoss units, and pretty much anything with the letter p in it. Only last night I broke my £60 headset after getting cannon rushed. Play the same guy today, and he follows my drones round wherever they go so he can lay his little balls of fun to destroy any hope of expanding. Anywhere.

But lets just go ahead and assume I do manage to get to my beloved 3 bases versus toss. Unfortunately, it doesn't make any difference whatsoever. Thanks to my useless units. I feel like roaches literally can't damage his little ball of lasery goodness. He only needs 2 voids to stop me from putting ANY pressure on till I have spire tech, and after a pool, 3 hatch, I can tell you that is very late, letting him take his third, and as I'm sure a lot of zerg's can sympathize, once the toss gets a third base, it feels like a slow descent into an inevitable doom.

I think the most irritating thing, however, and the one thing that my save this thread/blog from just being one massive balance-whine, is that I know the game IS balanced. And I had a few good results using the Stephano style aggression. But after 3 wins it stopped working again. Perhaps I will bother getting some replays together to post in the strategy section of the forum, but for the moment, I'm just going to try to find a practice partner to attack me over and over with every single possible bullshit timing attack that protoss has, till I feel confident to beat masters protoss' consistently. (Currently high diamond EU zerg, playing masters, but losing mostly)

However, I am currently unable to find any, so if anyone wants to add me to talk then go ahead
(Preferably masters or above) Zealos.301

And if anyone has tips to vent anger straight after a game, before I get the chance to pull off my new headset and smash it to the ground, that would be appreciated too, though posting this I have cooled off considerably, to the point where it may well be obvious in my post as the level of anger lowers.


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CyDe
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 20:41:21
March 19 2012 20:39 GMT
#2
I made a thread a while back about venting anger, I will add the link in an edit. One of my favorite in that was just trying to flex EVERY muscle in your body for like five seconds. It adds some endorphins and actually feels really good. Like a manly boss beast.

I can't really help you with your Protoss issues, but I do like that you are trying to be constructive about it.

EDIT:
Link- + Show Spoiler +
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=304450
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MisterD
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1338 Posts
March 19 2012 20:47 GMT
#3
i can tell what's wrong very easily. Since you stated you hate anything with a P in it, you obviously don't build a pool. So, without a pool, you are limited to hatchery, drones, evo and spores i think. So obviously your enemy runs after your drones BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE that's worth chasing

No clue for venting anger, but just a slight hint, not getting angry in the first place is the better approach.
Gold isn't everything in life... you need wood, too!
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
March 19 2012 20:49 GMT
#4
We require more roaches
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
March 19 2012 20:58 GMT
#5
On March 20 2012 05:47 MisterD wrote:
No clue for venting anger, but just a slight hint, not getting angry in the first place is the better approach.


Aha, yes, if only ;D In fairness though, if I would happily go back to bronze level of skill and start from scratch if it meant I would never get angry, it's more important than being good at the game imo, it gives you a way of playing more than the average person.
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aMEkaRmy
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada633 Posts
March 19 2012 21:11 GMT
#6
I don't know what to say, Maybe this game isn't for you if you break your headset after a loss?
Just realise your mistakes and improve off your loses.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
March 19 2012 21:18 GMT
#7
Perhaps you're right, and I have tried to quit in the past, but the game is like a drug, I just keep coming back to it, especially when I watch other people play, I can't help but load it up again.
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RaiD.RaynoR
Profile Joined February 2012
United States294 Posts
March 19 2012 21:21 GMT
#8
Trust me, ive broken things out of anger but I realize that "I have to find my inner chi and embrace it. Only then will I realize I'm free." -Bruce Lee
Redemption is the consequence of forgiveness
Epoch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada257 Posts
March 19 2012 21:22 GMT
#9
You're mad because you have some sense of self entitlement that you deserve to win these games or something or that it's unfair for zerg. To get rid of the anger you need to drop the ego, the sense of self entitlement, and stop caring about wins and losses on the ladder and focus on learning and improving rather then empty wins and rage losses.
storm44
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1293 Posts
March 19 2012 21:22 GMT
#10
quit the game then you fuckin noob

User was banned for this post.
slam
Profile Joined May 2010
United States923 Posts
March 19 2012 21:26 GMT
#11
I heard this tip a while back and it helps a lot with rage:
Try talking to your opponent. It sounds simple but honestly it helps. A simple back and forth before the game really starts going. More than just "glhf" ask the guy (or girl) how they're doin, where they're from (so you can stalk them if they are a girl) and so on. It really helps to humanize your opponent and hopefully you'll feel less angry when you lose. Who knows, maybe you'll make a SC buddy.
I get it.
aMEkaRmy
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada633 Posts
March 19 2012 21:26 GMT
#12
Storm gtfo, He's asking for help. Not your stupid opinion.
Like Epoch said, I get upset over losses and usually take breaks from playing after a tough loss, We just need to stop caring about our ladder ranks and try to improve.
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ryndaris
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
263 Posts
March 19 2012 21:28 GMT
#13
OP, I know exactly how you feel. In fact, I was just writing my own blog on this very same topic. But now that you've already posted yours, I'll just go ahead and add-in mine in the spoiler.

+ Show Spoiler +
I am at a point in starcraft, where I cannot contain my anger anymore. Specifically, my anger towards zerg, zerg players, zerg units, and pretty much anything with the letter z in it. Only last night I broke my £60 headset after getting roach stomped. Play the same guy today, and he follows my probes round wherever they go so he can deny any kind of early agression. Anywhere.

But lets just go ahead and assume I do manage to get to my beloved 3 bases versus zerg. Unfortunately, it doesn't make any difference whatsoever. Thanks to my useless units. I feel like roaches literally rape my gateway units and don't at all care about my ball of lasery goodness. He only needs to hold down R to stop me from putting ANY pressure on till I have a maxed out deathball and after a forge expand or, god forbid, a later expand he is already on his way to a fourth and as I'm sure a lot of protosses can sympathize, once the zerg gets ahead two bases, it feels like a slow descent into an inevitable doom.

I think the most irritating thing, however, and the one thing that my save this thread/blog from just being one massive balance-whine, is that I know the game IS balanced. And I had a few good results using desperate all-in timings. But after 3 wins it stopped working again.


Seriously though, it's always good to consider the following - no matter how frustrated you are with a particular matchup, the other side feels exactly the same way. That's why win percentages are where they are and pros aren't mass race-switching to Protoss/Zerg. Ultimately, the race we choose is just a conduit for our play and more often than not, what seems to be imbalance is really just us falling short in a particular area of the game. So instead of thinking in terms of imbalanced Protoss units... think in terms of imbalanced Zerg units. And abuse the shit out of us poor 'tosses.
Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
March 19 2012 21:35 GMT
#14
20 pushups after you lose, rage in a way that is only helpful. No broken stuff.

You'd be surprised
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
March 19 2012 21:37 GMT
#15
Unless you have some plans to go pro, stop taking the game so seriously. Clearly you aren't having fun, and if you're not having fun; what's the point to playing it? I've seen countless blogs of people whining about how angry they get playing the game, or how discouraged/bored/unhappy they are about the game. If you aren't enjoying it stop playing it and go do something you do enjoy; simple as that.

Otherwise just remember that it's just a game and you're supposed to be having fun.
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 21:48:11
March 19 2012 21:46 GMT
#16
Here's an idea.

1. Switch to P.
2. Fail with P and rage your heart out.
3. Switch to T.
4. Fail with T and rage your heart out.
5. Switch back to Z.
6. Stop the rage and focus on improving your play.

Worked for me when I was 14.
En Taro Violet
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
March 19 2012 21:48 GMT
#17
On March 20 2012 06:22 storm44 wrote:
quit the game then you fuckin noob

That was insightful.

On March 20 2012 06:28 RyN wrote:
OP, I know exactly how you feel. In fact, I was just writing my own blog on this very same topic. But now that you've already posted yours, I'll just go ahead and add-in mine in the spoiler.

+ Show Spoiler +
I am at a point in starcraft, where I cannot contain my anger anymore. Specifically, my anger towards zerg, zerg players, zerg units, and pretty much anything with the letter z in it. Only last night I broke my £60 headset after getting roach stomped. Play the same guy today, and he follows my probes round wherever they go so he can deny any kind of early agression. Anywhere.

But lets just go ahead and assume I do manage to get to my beloved 3 bases versus zerg. Unfortunately, it doesn't make any difference whatsoever. Thanks to my useless units. I feel like roaches literally rape my gateway units and don't at all care about my ball of lasery goodness. He only needs to hold down R to stop me from putting ANY pressure on till I have a maxed out deathball and after a forge expand or, god forbid, a later expand he is already on his way to a fourth and as I'm sure a lot of protosses can sympathize, once the zerg gets ahead two bases, it feels like a slow descent into an inevitable doom.

I think the most irritating thing, however, and the one thing that my save this thread/blog from just being one massive balance-whine, is that I know the game IS balanced. And I had a few good results using desperate all-in timings. But after 3 wins it stopped working again.


Seriously though, it's always good to consider the following - no matter how frustrated you are with a particular matchup, the other side feels exactly the same way. That's why win percentages are where they are and pros aren't mass race-switching to Protoss/Zerg. Ultimately, the race we choose is just a conduit for our play and more often than not, what seems to be imbalance is really just us falling short in a particular area of the game. So instead of thinking in terms of imbalanced Protoss units... think in terms of imbalanced Zerg units. And abuse the shit out of us poor 'tosses.

That made me chuckle, but also makes a decent point, I'd love to be able to abuse the shit out of whatever protoss players hate facing, hence the practice partner :D
On March 20 2012 06:35 Ktk wrote:
20 pushups after you lose, rage in a way that is only helpful. No broken stuff.

You'd be surprised

And yes, I keep telling myself I should do this, but never really think about it at the time. I'm gonna make sure I do this every time I lose, as I am also trying to get fitter for rugby.
Cheers for the advice so far guys, nearly everyone has been helpful and not too judging. :D
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-Kaiser-
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada932 Posts
March 19 2012 21:59 GMT
#18
If you are losing to such things as cannon rushes, you are not scouting well enough. If you are losing to such things as lazory goodness, you are not macroing well enough. Scout so that you don't lose while you macro, and macro so you don't lose when you battle. Don't battle like a moron, kill his stuff, win the game. Never complain again until you can max out at least by the 14 minute mark if you're going pure roach. A decent master zerg can do it by 13, Ret does it at around 12.
3 Hatch Before Cool
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
March 19 2012 22:51 GMT
#19
With the cannon rushes, I know they are coming before he even places his pylon down a lot of the time, but I still fail to beat it.

On maxing with roaches, 14 seems pretty bad for me? I'm normally done by 13 easily tbh, but I might just be not remembering right, when I next play I'll let you know.
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-Kaiser-
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada932 Posts
March 20 2012 17:47 GMT
#20
If you want to do something more productive than just complain you could go the extra mile and post a replay.
3 Hatch Before Cool
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
March 20 2012 17:51 GMT
#21
All the story about people breaking stuff in rage makes me wince in terror.
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Kasha_Not_Kesha
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States71 Posts
March 20 2012 20:06 GMT
#22
Gold League Zerg here. It sounds like you're too focused on playing the perfect, beautiful, pro-style macro game, and you're ignoring the obvious fact that SCII isn't a game of economies, it's a game of war.

You don't win by saturating your natural faster than your opponent, or out-droning him, or by mining out the whole map.

You win by killing your opponent.

On March 20 2012 05:24 Zealos wrote:
[Lost] after getting cannon rushed. Play the same guy today, and he follows my drones round wherever they go so he can lay his little balls of fun to destroy any hope of expanding. Anywhere.


1-base All-in. If he's doing that extensive a cheese, a 1-base push will meet negligible resistance. If he's following your drones around wherever they go and dropping pylons and/or cannons, his base is going to be empty when you stroll in with a few lings. Or 6 Roaches.

I love getting cannon rushed in ZvP, because every fortification he throws down to stop me from expanding is a fortification he won't have to defend against my fast Roach push, or my Nydus attack, or my Zergling all-in.

I feel like roaches literally can't damage his little ball of lasery goodness.


Roaches aren't a good DPS unit, they're a good massable tank unit. To put this into perspective for you, Roaches barely have more DPS than Zerglings. It's something like 7.2:8. Roaches are high burst damage, low DPS. Good for focusing down a small number of high health units. They're good at pushing through a death-wall (literally a wall created due to death. Zerglings quickly run into a death wall when attacking into a Terran base that is fortified with siege tanks).

But Roaches aren't the end-all be-all counter to Protoss; they're actually countered pretty well by Stalkers. Roaches are an early-game solution for 1-1.5 base warpgate pushes, not the hard counter for Colossus-Stalker deathballs.

The easiest solution is throwing in some Hydralisks; very high DPS Zerg ranged units. They're [supposed] to do damage, Roaches are supposed to tank.

He only needs 2 voids to stop me from putting ANY pressure on till I have spire tech


False; build a Hydralisk den. There's more to ZvP than Roach-Muta (or whatever Air unit you're going for). Hydralisks don't take too long to produce, do WAY more DPS than Mutalisks, and are a much better response to a deathball-centric Protoss than Mutalisks could ever be. A Spire takes 200/200, and 100 seconds to build. A Hydralisk Den takes 100/100, and 40 seconds to build. If you want to put pressure on your opponents during that mid-game period, Spire is the last thing you want. Spire tech is really best in the Late-Game; your mid-game options via Spire are basically Mutalisks.

Mutalisks do a staggering 5.9 DPS. They're worse than Zerglings at any sort of engagement. They're your mid-game Spire unit. You obviously can't directly engage a Protoss army with that kind of DPS, and you can't put pressure on a competent Protoss with that shit, and if he sees that you're committing a lot to your Mutalisks, he can pretty confidently just A-move to your main and kill you; there's no way you have the units or tech to handle his army if you're going to Mutalisks.

and after a pool, 3 hatch, I can tell you that is very late


Your tech should only be late if you don't tech at all until you're fully saturated on 3-base, which you should lose for doing regardless. If you must play a macro game vs. Protoss, do it intelligently and tech up while droning up.

letting him take his third, and as I'm sure a lot of zerg's can sympathize, once the toss gets a third base, it feels like a slow descent into an inevitable doom.


By the time a Protoss feels safe getting a third, I should be fully saturated on three bases, expanding to my 4th (and oftentimes my 5th as well) and I should be somewhere between 140-200 supply. If he takes his third sooner than that he's vulnerable to a big push from me as long as I scout it. If he takes his third then, I'll usually just push anyway, as I can quickly remax and attack again, teching up to get my end-game units/tech while doing so.
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Bunn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Estonia934 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 22:07:14
March 20 2012 22:04 GMT
#23
You should take a short break from the game, and get your mind cleared.

You said that you have tried Stephano's style, but obviously you've done it wrong. Stephano doesn't lose to a few void rays, instead he builds some extra queens or spores. If you don't want to die, you MUST scout. Scouting is the key for zerg success. Other things you should do, is harrasment with your lings and denying bases.

I was in the same mindset at you for a while, but after taking a break from it for few weeks, I more focused and calm(in the game). Also, don't forget to go outside every day, or you'll brain will just stop working.

//Forgot to mention that if you crush the P's first timing attack, your chances of winning are well over 50%
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Frostfire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States419 Posts
March 20 2012 22:16 GMT
#24
High diamond Zerg here. I understand how you feel. Vs Toss I feel I can get the early and mid game down easy with a few spines and roach ling festor. The part that makes me incredibly mad is lategame when they can switch from mass air (causing me to make corruptors) back into mass ground (which causes me to morph to broods) and then back into mass air. It makes me so upset because I cant use any of my broodlords at all. Protoss is easy in the beginning for me but lategame, it's incredibly hard. The worst part is when after they go back to mass air, in the big engagement they put a DT at every expo.
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