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[BR] Mondragon vs KwarK (3500th post)
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538
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
nice gfx, good use of the HD broodwar mod too | ||
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cmen15
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Backpack
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On March 16 2012 06:01 Kiante wrote: wow that was really cool. i wonder how someone who hasn't watched the game will comprehend it ^^ nice gfx, good use of the HD broodwar mod too Yeah, I was worried it might be a bit confusing, hopefully it's still enjoyable. I was trying to add all the details that are needed to follow the progression of the game (such as shots of the minimap from time to time), but it's hard to be objective about my own work, especially as I've watched the replay several times. | ||
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zul
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Slithe
United States985 Posts
In terms of the visual BR, I think there's a few too many picture-in-pictures, it makes some parts a little hard to follow. More minimap shots would help as well. | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9505 Posts
Mondi <3 | ||
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Ry-Masta-T
United States478 Posts
This was awesome. Very well done. | ||
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GeckoVOD
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WANT MORE | ||
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MaV_gGSC
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Great job man | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On March 16 2012 06:04 538 wrote: Yeah, I was worried it might be a bit confusing, hopefully it's still enjoyable. I was trying to add all the details that are needed to follow the progression of the game (such as shots of the minimap from time to time), but it's hard to be objective about my own work, especially as I've watched the replay several times. I think more shots of the minimap and a bit more linear flow of the images would have helped me quite a bit. Still though, it's pretty awesome. | ||
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Kyhol
Canada2574 Posts
Great blog. Sc1 Support. | ||
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Akasha
United States261 Posts
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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Skeggaba
Korea (South)1556 Posts
I would prefer some words, sometimes hard to compute. But its a piece of art, no doubt. Congrats to the 3,5k!! | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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Kuzmorgo
Hungary1058 Posts
I totally expected: "Do these things have drop?" "Why?" "Thats why!" and mind controls an ovie :D | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On March 16 2012 06:24 Chef wrote: Nice work. The style seems ODDLY FAMILIAR. The first thing that comes to my mind is an old blog of Trozz's. But I did similar things in earlier BRs of mine as well, just not to this extent, see my earlier blogs. On March 16 2012 06:45 Xeris wrote: when was this game played? They have TSL tags in the replay, and it was uploaded into the gg database a year ago, so i'm guessing TSL2 qualifiers. Maybe KwarK can give a better estimate. On March 16 2012 06:50 Kuzmorgo wrote: WOW totally awesome! I totally expected: "Do these things have drop?" "Why?" "Thats why!" and mind controls an ovie :D He already had the ovi when he asked that (I hope this style is not that confusing :-p), he used it to break Mondi's lurker defense at the nat, the hilarious thing is that he asks about them having drop while Mondi has a doomdrop flying towards his base. | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
but the picture work was excellent | ||
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Kuzmorgo
Hungary1058 Posts
On March 16 2012 06:55 538 wrote: The first thing that comes to my mind is an old blog of Trozz's. They have TSL tags in the replay, and it was uploaded into the gg database a year ago, so i'm guessing TSL2 qualifiers. Maybe KwarK can give a better estimate. He already had the ovi when he asked that (I hope this style is not that confusing :-p), he used it to break Mondi's lurker defense at the nat, the hilarious thing is that he asks about them having drop while Mondi has a doomdrop flying towards his base. Aah, I see, I thought he asked that because he saw the drop coming in, and I referred to mind controlling an ovie full of troops, but I get it now. | ||
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On March 16 2012 07:01 dRaW wrote: Yeah it was pretty epic, I've never seen of that before but mini map shots would really help since I am wondering the timings of mind control DA to be plausible since hydra mass seem to work well in desti making Kwarks composition pretty terrible (unless mondragon never goes hydras? ) but the picture work was excellent http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=25351 This should be the replay if you want that instead to compare timings. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On March 16 2012 06:04 538 wrote: Yeah, I was worried it might be a bit confusing, hopefully it's still enjoyable. I was trying to add all the details that are needed to follow the progression of the game (such as shots of the minimap from time to time), but it's hard to be objective about my own work, especially as I've watched the replay several times. As someone who didnt know this match before: It's awesome! | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On March 16 2012 07:01 dRaW wrote: Yeah it was pretty epic, I've never seen of that before but mini map shots would really help since I am wondering the timings of mind control DA to be plausible since hydra mass seem to work well in desti making Kwarks composition pretty terrible (unless mondragon never goes hydras? ) but the picture work was excellent Well the main point of the strategy was getting maelstrom against the mutas - but since they didn't come, he tried making the DA useful anyway. With 200 energy he could have landed two maelstroms as well, I can imagine that working decently in case of a mass-hydra surprise. That said, I'm not sure either why was he so archon-heavy, maybe because his archives was busy researching maelstrom and mc? Or maybe he just doesn't like using too many templar with his low apm? I haven't seen enough replays of his to tell. On March 16 2012 07:04 Harem wrote: http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=25351 This should be the replay if you want that instead to compare timings. ? That seems to be the same game. | ||
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HereBeDragons
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5502 Posts
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
The images really convey the epicness of the game... well done. | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5502 Posts
On March 16 2012 07:38 Praetorial wrote: Wait...KwarK was part of TSL??? He played in the initial qualifier stage on iccup. | ||
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
Thankfully, I know every single expo spot and how it looks. Cuz I make maps. Great BR. Edit: FOR THOSE WHO DON'T GET WHY HE GOT DAs. He was on templar tech with zealot speed and he saw or guessed (doesn't show in screenshots) that lurkers are coming. He can either go all the way to robo tech and get observers or just get dark archons and mind control an overlord. He chose the latter. Risky, since scourge can kill overlords without detection, but cool and flashy. Or I could be totally wrong and he got them for some other reason, or as a combination. | ||
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Sweden1343 Posts
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Peru611 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On March 16 2012 06:36 Kyhol wrote: This is back when Starcraft was awesome!!!!!!!!! Great blog. Sc1 Support. "was?" Still is. Also this was pretty cool, dont know how you lost that though! | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On March 16 2012 06:36 Kyhol wrote: This is back when Starcraft was awesome!!!!!!!!! Great blog. Sc1 Support. You make it sound like it's not awesome anymore  | ||
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s.a.y
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Pads
England3228 Posts
On March 16 2012 07:54 neobowman wrote: Kinda hard to understand if you aren't familiar with the map. Thankfully, I know every single expo spot and how it looks. Cuz I make maps. Great BR. Edit: FOR THOSE WHO DON'T GET WHY HE GOT DAs. He was on templar tech with zealot speed and he saw or guessed (doesn't show in screenshots) that lurkers are coming. He can either go all the way to robo tech and get observers or just get dark archons and mind control an overlord. He chose the latter. Risky, since scourge can kill overlords without detection, but cool and flashy. Or I could be totally wrong and he got them for some other reason, or as a combination. KwarK is a very reactionary player. They played around 7-8 games in this ladder session, and iirc, Mondi went mutas in the majority of them. A DA with maelstrom and an archon hard counters muta so bad, so he originally got it for that, but when Mondi went for lurker instead of muta, it was just quick thinking to use the DA to mind control and bust the front. To my knowledge this is what happened anyway, he might come here and say I'm wrong, I've talked to him a lot and I know pretty well how he plays though. Still confused how KwarK lost this though heh. | ||
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Ry-Masta-T
United States478 Posts
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mki
Poland882 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Great work. :D | ||
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Prof. Protoss
Germany744 Posts
what really would help to understand what's going on would be a picture of the minimap at all panels | ||
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snively
United States1159 Posts
On March 16 2012 08:27 Jibba wrote: Haha, this is awesome. It's almost like a comic book, and I actually enjoyed spending the extra time to study each scene on my own. Great work. :D its like a comic book, but better! 5/5 | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
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Selth
United States469 Posts
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garbanzo
United States4046 Posts
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
LOL @ the overload getting Mind controlled. | ||
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FreezingAssassin
United States455 Posts
hahaha | ||
Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
On March 16 2012 07:38 Praetorial wrote: Wait...KwarK was part of TSL??? The qualifying part for TSL2 was done on iCCup. The players had to use the TSL- / TSL) tag. | ||
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Brazil4644 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
On March 16 2012 08:12 Pads wrote: KwarK is a very reactionary player. They played around 7-8 games in this ladder session, and iirc, Mondi went mutas in the majority of them. A DA with maelstrom and an archon hard counters muta so bad, so he originally got it for that, but when Mondi went for lurker instead of muta, it was just quick thinking to use the DA to mind control and bust the front. To my knowledge this is what happened anyway, he might come here and say I'm wrong, I've talked to him a lot and I know pretty well how he plays though. Still confused how KwarK lost this though heh. I think it wasn't as risky just because Mondragon had no idea Kwark would try to do something like that and thats what made it so brilliant. Kwark didn't go heavy sair so Mondragon had no scourge around and wasn't expecting obs to be out for alittle later so he had no reason to have scourge at the situation. Also Kwark in the rep from what I remember was building his robo or it was done while he was attacking so he was going to have obs coming out anyways so even if Mondragon got to snipe the overlord after he would have lost his nat already and obs would be coming soon. But definitely something that could be done only really once. | ||
Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On March 16 2012 08:53 garbanzo wrote: That was pretty great! I support the suggestion of more minimap shots though. I kept finding myself trying to look for them at every frame. Also, maybe supply counts once in a while. Exactly what I was gonna say! | ||
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Vansetsu
United States1454 Posts
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FinestHour
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
5/5! Make more! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44334 Posts
What a game | ||
tofucake
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KwarK
United States42691 Posts
On March 16 2012 08:12 Pads wrote: KwarK is a very reactionary player. They played around 7-8 games in this ladder session, and iirc, Mondi went mutas in the majority of them. A DA with maelstrom and an archon hard counters muta so bad, so he originally got it for that, but when Mondi went for lurker instead of muta, it was just quick thinking to use the DA to mind control and bust the front. To my knowledge this is what happened anyway, he might come here and say I'm wrong, I've talked to him a lot and I know pretty well how he plays though. Still confused how KwarK lost this though heh. Instead of going "he's on 1 gas, I'm gonna lock down and stop him expanding and wait for him to starve" I suicided trying to end the game because "holy shit I'm gonna beat Dissy!!!". With my main army dead he was able to retake his main while abusing the cheap mineral heavy crackling/drop style to get map control with no gas and few minerals. Then he just played me, taxing my multitasking abilities while recovering and eventually I ran out of steam. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
. Still i think with my year of BW exposure i understood this, well done :D.EDIT: cheers to my 500th post half way there :D. | ||
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unit
United States2621 Posts
On March 16 2012 11:59 KwarK wrote: Instead of going "he's on 1 gas, I'm gonna lock down and stop him expanding and wait for him to starve" I suicided trying to end the game because "holy shit I'm gonna beat Dissy!!!". With my main army dead he was able to retake his main while abusing the cheap mineral heavy crackling/drop style to get map control with no gas and few minerals. Then he just played me, taxing my multitasking abilities while recovering and eventually I ran out of steam. just goes to show how much of a beast mondi is, so ridiculously good at the game...best foreigner Z ever in bw imo (dimaga takes second with special mention for ret) | ||
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Australia1187 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33389 Posts
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United States1135 Posts
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Canada1459 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On March 16 2012 12:51 Waxangel wrote: ah, the good old days when KwarK was more than a thug in some online world He's come a long way. Now as controller of the BoK (Bank of Kwark), he looks back upon such times as moments that prepared him for such great success elsewhere. For more excerpts from his biography click here. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
I'm wondering how Kwark lost that game though. | ||
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TheTurk
United States732 Posts
I am very impressed. 10/10 | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On March 16 2012 06:01 Kiante wrote: wow that was really cool. i wonder how someone who hasn't watched the game will comprehend it ^^ nice gfx, good use of the HD broodwar mod too Other than a few slip-ups I followed it pretty well. And I don't even watch pro BW ^^ So not that bad | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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deathgod6
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CakeOrI)eath
United States327 Posts
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
Really liked the BR, but as I'm familiar with the game, it's a lot easier I guess^^ | ||
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New Zealand2765 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
Perhaps it needs to be longer though. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
Nice work 5/5 | ||
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reapsen
Germany559 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On March 16 2012 21:34 reapsen wrote: How did you get those screenshots to be that high resolution? What kind of sorcery is this?!?! The "easiest" way to get them is to download and use some resolution hack. However I merely splice those together manually from ordinary screenshots. I've gotten quite some practice with it, see my earlier work with that technique: - Full Fighting Spirit map screenshot - High resolution SC screenshots, part 2, 3, 4+guide | ||
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Denmark3805 Posts
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United States12704 Posts
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United States292 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
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TBone-
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ShoCkeyy
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Great job btw, I'm starting to miss bw now :\ | ||
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
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rotinegg
United States1719 Posts
would've been nicer if upgrade timings were include but still sick xD | ||
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TemujinGK
United States483 Posts
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Laforge
Denmark33 Posts
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
Thanks for making this too, 538! | ||
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Horiz0n
Sweden364 Posts
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
nice post. | ||
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
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Gofarman
Canada645 Posts
mind blown. Now I have to install BW so that I can watch the replay. | ||
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SaetZero
United States855 Posts
But awesome concept, was very fun ^^ | ||
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surfinbird1
Germany999 Posts
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DanceSC
United States751 Posts
(now to see the replay) | ||
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Australia7535 Posts
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EngrishTeacher
Canada1109 Posts
5/5. | ||
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United States295 Posts
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Germany768 Posts
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nufcrulz
Singapore934 Posts
On March 18 2012 12:09 crms wrote: makes me sick to my stomach how much more interesting and dynamic bw was than sc2.=/ nice post. I knew someone was bound to post this eventually, sigh, can't you just leave the bashing out and enjoy the battle report | ||
Xeofreestyler
Belgium6771 Posts
Here's some constructive criticism: - Use more black open space. I think you can achieve clearer results by having less images stuck together, that way chronology will be easier to get (things that happen at the same time on different places of the map can be next to eachother for example) -Show more map overviews! I felt lost mostly because of that -Perhaps add some mineral / pop counts at keypoints? I loved the added 'kills: x' detail next to those units Other than that some great composition, loved how you showed that sair being chased and blown up. The part of the attack on mondragon's main was kinda chaotic, but I liked that. It was a nice representation of the pace of the game! | ||
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Canada361 Posts
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Canada135 Posts
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Denmark379 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On March 16 2012 22:03 538 wrote: The "easiest" way to get them is to download and use some resolution hack. However I merely splice those together manually from ordinary screenshots. I've gotten quite some practice with it, see my earlier work with that technique: - Full Fighting Spirit map screenshot - High resolution SC screenshots, part 2, 3, 4+guide wow ....... love it. Requesting more Wallpapers of crazy BW scenes, eg: Jangbi crazy storm (don't know if the replay is available though), Idra ragings :D etc. | ||
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