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NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
March 06 2012 17:59 GMT
#21
That is so awesome!
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
March 06 2012 18:23 GMT
#22
Big fan of Bill Simmons.
ggahSoO
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States191 Posts
March 06 2012 18:29 GMT
#23
Great read! :D UIUC hwaiting
firebathero x bisu
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
March 06 2012 18:31 GMT
#24
On March 07 2012 03:29 ggahSoO wrote:
Great read! :D UIUC hwaiting

You UIUC?
I just graduated last spring haha
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
March 06 2012 18:54 GMT
#25
idra fans are everywhere
@ranleee /// "first we expand, then we defense it'
Hamzilla
Profile Joined April 2011
United States143 Posts
March 06 2012 18:57 GMT
#26
great write up. Daryl Morey is a boss of a man and GM
nerd
YMCApylons
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Taiwan359 Posts
March 06 2012 19:46 GMT
#27
The problem with streaming practice is that it gives other teams a look on what you're working on, your adjustments.
You must construct additional pylons.
cma1681
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States59 Posts
March 06 2012 21:07 GMT
#28
On March 07 2012 04:46 YMCApylons wrote:
The problem with streaming practice is that it gives other teams a look on what you're working on, your adjustments.


Can't the same be said for sc2? The teams could stream specific practices where they aren't working on set plays, but stream scrimmages instead.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
March 06 2012 22:37 GMT
#29
i always thought stats in the NBA were way behind. at least the stats they use in the press; i'm not sure what coaches and teams actually use.

i'm still annoyed at how points against is used as the basis for determining the strength of a defense. why they don't use baskets per possession is beyond me. i remember being laughed at for using that stat during the d'Antoni Suns days, when i was trying to say they actually had good defense because they allowed less points per possession then most teams; they just had more possessions in the game by 10-20.

and it's not like this is something new either, i read dean smith's coaching book and he writes about that same thing.

when i think about the positional chemistry paper, it really makes me wonder how far behind the press is in terms of statistical analysis.
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
March 06 2012 22:53 GMT
#30
Loved the post.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
prodigalsun
Profile Joined March 2011
United States85 Posts
March 06 2012 23:37 GMT
#31
Huge analytics, Trail Blazers, and SC2 fan. I want to be best friends with cma1681.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
March 07 2012 00:01 GMT
#32
5/5 This should be spotlighted imo!

Anyways, as a Magic fan, the positional chemistry paper reinforces something I felt for a while - despite adding arguably better players, they actually made us worse. And I can totally see Van Gundy saying something like that.

The GM of the Rockets being an esports fan is incredibly awesome, too. I never thought someone like him would be into esports.
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cma1681
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States59 Posts
March 07 2012 00:52 GMT
#33
Thanks for the kind words everyone!

It's funny, I originally wrote this for a few friends on our college SC2 team who were curious about the conference, and one suggested I post it to TL. I never thought so many people read the blog sections. Wow!

rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
March 07 2012 01:39 GMT
#34
And here I was thinking Daryl Morey couldn't get more awesome than he already is. Turns out I was wrong.
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
March 07 2012 03:17 GMT
#35
On March 07 2012 07:37 kainzero wrote:
i always thought stats in the NBA were way behind. at least the stats they use in the press; i'm not sure what coaches and teams actually use.

i'm still annoyed at how points against is used as the basis for determining the strength of a defense. why they don't use baskets per possession is beyond me. i remember being laughed at for using that stat during the d'Antoni Suns days, when i was trying to say they actually had good defense because they allowed less points per possession then most teams; they just had more possessions in the game by 10-20.

and it's not like this is something new either, i read dean smith's coaching book and he writes about that same thing.

when i think about the positional chemistry paper, it really makes me wonder how far behind the press is in terms of statistical analysis.


That's why defensive stats like Defensive Efficiency and Opponents True Shooting Percentage are being used more and more by basketball analysts. The same goes for Player Efficiency Ratings on offense. APBRmetrics (Basketball's equivalent of Sabermetrics) are being used by more and more people like Daryl Morey and it's very interesting to see the long term results.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
March 07 2012 04:14 GMT
#36
There are a lot of statisticians in the world of sports. It's actually kind of scary.
cma1681
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States59 Posts
March 07 2012 04:52 GMT
#37
That's why defensive stats like Defensive Efficiency and Opponents True Shooting Percentage are being used more and more by basketball analysts. The same goes for Player Efficiency Ratings on offense. APBRmetrics (Basketball's equivalent of Sabermetrics) are being used by more and more people like Daryl Morey and it's very interesting to see the long term results.


Dean Oliver mentioned that currently, the go-to "good" NBA stat is plus-minus, because its easy for commonfolk to understand and can be put in a newspaper box score. It's such a flawed stat since you can bet Joel Anthony has a kick-ass +/- from playing with the Heat big 3, but it's what we got.

Someone else mentioned that they have live cameras in many of the stadiums, which can track 3-dimensional coordinates of the ball, and of each player. Only very recently have teams started to analyze those, but it's difficult since SO MUCH data is collected in the course of a game.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 07 2012 04:59 GMT
#38
sick write up

sidenote. can you punch john hollinger in the nuts, his shit on ESPN is so terrible
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
March 07 2012 06:27 GMT
#39
On March 07 2012 12:17 holy_war wrote:
That's why defensive stats like Defensive Efficiency and Opponents True Shooting Percentage are being used more and more by basketball analysts. The same goes for Player Efficiency Ratings on offense. APBRmetrics (Basketball's equivalent of Sabermetrics) are being used by more and more people like Daryl Morey and it's very interesting to see the long term results.

perhaps, but why aren't these stats really publicized?

after moneyball, OBP became a big stat, i don't see why better and more accurate defensive stats should be used during the broadcast.
i think rebounding is a bogus stat too, when i used to play nba live/nba2k i'd get like 6 rebounds because i made 80% of my shots.

after sunday's game, when i think of joel anthony and +/- all i can think of is his forehead.
man, twitter was brutal to him during the game, lol.

cma1681
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States59 Posts
March 07 2012 06:32 GMT
#40
OBP is fairly easy to understand. I can watch a game and say "Pujols' OBP during this game was X". But I cant say "Kobe's Def. Efficiency during this game was Y"

The majority of sports viewers are still having a tough time with more complicated stats. As terrible as rebounds are as a defensive stat, more rebounds usually still means better. Just like a higher BA means the player is better. Sometimes.
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