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On February 24 2012 02:38 Excomm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 02:17 willll wrote:On February 24 2012 01:59 itsjustatank wrote:On February 24 2012 01:55 Grumbels wrote:
Bread has sugar? Yes, it's part of most, if not all, bread recipes. Not really =( For example, in France for bread to be termed 'French bread', it is required that only water, yeast, flour, and salt be used in the recipe. Please don't misinform. There are plenty of breads that would be allowed. This is why I would avoid the term "sugar." Flour is another ingredient that has a very high carbohydrate (sugar) content. It is impossible to eat a sugar free diet unless you eat and drink nothing but foods made with chemically altered sugars (the ones present in "sugar free" products) which would mean you would be eating 100% processed foods. You can suffer the same "withdrawl" effects with chemically altered sugars that you can with naturally present sugars.
Even 'sugar free' products usually contain sugar alcohols. Really the term "sugar" is just misleading. Technically all non-fiber carbs are broken down into sugar, but that doesn't make them "sugar" in a dietary sense. Referring to starches as sugar is just, not correct, even if a high-GI starch can have a very large impact on your blood sugar. Dietary sugar itself isn't always bad either though, it just needs to be consumed at the right time or with other nutrients that offset it's impact. Sometimes an insulin spike isn't just acceptable, but beneficial(see: exercise and recovery).
Not drinking pop, or eating snack foods is fantastic, but don't get overly paranoid about the word 'sugar' and stop eating perfectly acceptable foods like oats, potatoes, rice(don't go overboard on the white rice though, very high GI), etc.
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You do understand basic carbs is sugar right? this goal isn't possible i believe.
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On February 24 2012 08:01 getdeadplz wrote:
You do understand basic carbs is sugar right? this goal isn't possible i believe.
It is.
http://waroninsulin.com/
A blog about a doctor who lost weight by weening himself off carbohydrates and increasing caloric intake, then progressing to zero carb diet and ketosis.
Also the health and fitness section of this forum has great links to youtube videos about seminars and such with links to Gary Taubes and why the general advice about eating a low fat, high carb diet is completely wrong.
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I've been doing this exact thing for two years now. I couldn't recommend it more highly if you can keep to it!
Good luck!
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On February 24 2012 02:12 micronesia wrote:
I think you need to eat some 'sugar' in order to get the nutrients you need, but most people eat way too much. If you look at the labels of everything and add up the grams of sugar, the amount a healthy person should have is ~40 grams/day. I find it difficult to stick to that sometimes though (1 can of soda alone is your day's sugar :p)
Sugar from fruit is less problematic than refined sugar.
Wrong , there is not one benefit to your body by taking in sugar. Actually there are about 130+ reasons not to take it.
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On February 24 2012 03:07 BirdKiller wrote:
I highly doubt you can go on a diet that's 100% sugar free. The better way is to limit the amount of sugar you consume each day, and if you can, lower it on a weekly basis.
Ever heard of meat or veggies? But i partly get you , when you go into a store there is about 80% of products that contain sugar. Even certain meats have it because they were added by the makers.
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On February 24 2012 20:11 Knap4life wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 02:12 micronesia wrote:
I think you need to eat some 'sugar' in order to get the nutrients you need, but most people eat way too much. If you look at the labels of everything and add up the grams of sugar, the amount a healthy person should have is ~40 grams/day. I find it difficult to stick to that sometimes though (1 can of soda alone is your day's sugar :p)
Sugar from fruit is less problematic than refined sugar. Wrong , there is not one benefit to your body by taking in sugar. Actually there are about 130+ reasons not to take it.
My understanding is diabetes happens when your body does not produce enough or doesn't respond properly to the insulin that your body already makes. So in a sense yes not eating enough sugar can lead to diabetes as you are depriving your body of something that it needs.
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On February 24 2012 20:11 Knap4life wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 02:12 micronesia wrote:
I think you need to eat some 'sugar' in order to get the nutrients you need, but most people eat way too much. If you look at the labels of everything and add up the grams of sugar, the amount a healthy person should have is ~40 grams/day. I find it difficult to stick to that sometimes though (1 can of soda alone is your day's sugar :p)
Sugar from fruit is less problematic than refined sugar. Wrong , there is not one benefit to your body by taking in sugar. Actually there are about 130+ reasons not to take it.
Go back and read my previous post, I linked some articles explaining why this isn't necessarily the case.
On February 24 2012 23:57 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 20:11 Knap4life wrote:On February 24 2012 02:12 micronesia wrote:
I think you need to eat some 'sugar' in order to get the nutrients you need, but most people eat way too much. If you look at the labels of everything and add up the grams of sugar, the amount a healthy person should have is ~40 grams/day. I find it difficult to stick to that sometimes though (1 can of soda alone is your day's sugar :p)
Sugar from fruit is less problematic than refined sugar. Wrong , there is not one benefit to your body by taking in sugar. Actually there are about 130+ reasons not to take it. My understanding is diabetes happens when your body does not produce enough or doesn't respond properly to the insulin that your body already makes. So in a sense yes not eating enough sugar can lead to diabetes as you are depriving your body of something that it needs.
There are two types of Diabetes. Type 1 is a genetic disorder where the body does not produce insulin as it's supposed to. Type 2 diabetes is what people normally think of, it's onset is later in life and is caused by cells no longer responding to insulin, which is the body's way of signaling to cells that they should absorb sugars from the bloodstream.
The exact causes of Type 2 diabetes are not known. What is know are the risk factors, which include mostly weigh, lack of exercise, and demographic. There's no evidence that eating lots of sugar by itself can cause Diabetes. source
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On February 24 2012 20:11 Knap4life wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 02:12 micronesia wrote:
I think you need to eat some 'sugar' in order to get the nutrients you need, but most people eat way too much. If you look at the labels of everything and add up the grams of sugar, the amount a healthy person should have is ~40 grams/day. I find it difficult to stick to that sometimes though (1 can of soda alone is your day's sugar :p)
Sugar from fruit is less problematic than refined sugar. Wrong , there is not one benefit to your body by taking in sugar. Actually there are about 130+ reasons not to take it.
The ambiguity of the term 'sugar' is once again a problem, but I've addressed much of your ranting about the demonization of carbohydrates in your LCHF thread. If you are against 'sugar' in the sense that glucose is a sugar, and thus all carbs are sugar, than you are in fact against all sources of food, because the body has ways in which it will produce glucose in the absence of carbs.
If you're against dietary sugar, while this is a stronger leg to stand on, you are still being misleading in your assertion of 0 benefits. Sugar is one of the best ways to manipulate insulin, which makes it a great tool for fitness enthusiasts, athletes, and people attempting physique transformations. Not consuming excess sugars is a fantastic goal, but there are reasons a person can choose to consume sugars with no drawbacks to their health.
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On February 24 2012 04:09 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 01:46 Cortza wrote:
I generally don't think much about the food that I eat, but lately I've been getting mood swings and stomach cramps/aches. This has been to the point where I feel I must do something about it myself.
What does this have to do with eating sugar? How is sugar consumption related to mood swings and stomach cramps? You could have an ulcer or worse, go to a doctor! Also, much of the "information" that has been so far offered up are factoids. Yes, consuming large quantities of any simple sugar is bad for you as they are high in Calories. Taking in too many Calories on a daily basis obviously leads to weight gain, obesity, and many health conditions that research shows obesity can greatly increase the risk of. If this is what you are concerned about, then I agree lowering your consumption of sugars would reduce your daily caloric intake and can be beneficial. But there is really no evidence that high fructose corn syrup (or any processed sugar) is any more unhealthy than sucrose. source There aren't really many confirmed unhealthy side effects of sucrose intake aside from increased Caloric intake; though tooth decay and increased triglycerides (something you probably don't have to worry about at your age) are among them. sourceBasically limiting your intake of simple sugars is a good thing and can help you lose weight. But don't expect to become a picture of health without exercise and a good diet. And for goodness sake, if you are getting regular stomach cramps GO SEE A DOCTOR!!!!!
There is definitely a large body of evidence suggesting that excessive consumption of HFCS and sucrose have toxic effects beyond adding calories. Additionally, these sugars also have dependence-producing properties. Fructose also interferes with certain hormones which are supposed to tell you when you've eaten enough, causing you to eat more than you normally would. Source: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v482/n7383/full/482027a.html#/ref1
Here's a lecture by one of the authors of the above article, discussing more in depth about the health implications of fructose over-consumption: + Show Spoiler +
I'm no expert in nutrition or the endocrine system. I only saw these because of an o-chem assignment I recently got and wanted to share these when I saw this thread. I really think what the OP is doing is a good idea, but yeah, seeing a doctor or talking to a nutritionist can't hurt.
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Just go to Mac Donalds and Supersize it, baby!
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The ambiguity of the term 'sugar' is once again a problem, but I've addressed much of your ranting about the demonization of carbohydrates in your LCHF thread. If you are against 'sugar' in the sense that glucose is a sugar, and thus all carbs are sugar, than you are in fact against all sources of food, because the body has ways in which it will produce glucose in the absence of carbs.
If you're against dietary sugar, while this is a stronger leg to stand on, you are still being misleading in your assertion of 0 benefits. Sugar is one of the best ways to manipulate insulin, which makes it a great tool for fitness enthusiasts, athletes, and people attempting physique transformations. Not consuming excess sugars is a fantastic goal, but there are reasons a person can choose to consume sugars with no drawbacks to their health.
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All i am going to say is if you cut out all carbs or most from your diet you will go into ketosis and start using fat , meaning you dont have to eat a single gram of carbs in order to function well.
There is about 1-2 week process where your body takes to switch from the main carb source to fat and you might experience headeaches and weakness. But after that you are far better off than eating carbs which obviously includes far more sugar than meat or vegetables.
Also take a look at this and just see, how many reasons there are ,not to eat sugar.
http://rheumatic.org/sugar.htm
If you can find a source where it lists 146+ reasons not to eat fat than ill tip my hat to you.
I never said you should take all the carbs out of your diet because a little bit will never hurt you and to be honest , its pretty hard to do so these days.
I understand that sugar can be good for sports and fitnes since it spikes your energy up very quickly but with a high fat diet you can keep your energy always at a moderate level while if you eat a lot of carbs you gonna have your ups and downs through your day. And if you want to keep your energy up all day with a high carb diet your gonna have to eat lots of it.
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On February 25 2012 07:46 Knap4life wrote:Show nested quote +
The ambiguity of the term 'sugar' is once again a problem, but I've addressed much of your ranting about the demonization of carbohydrates in your LCHF thread. If you are against 'sugar' in the sense that glucose is a sugar, and thus all carbs are sugar, than you are in fact against all sources of food, because the body has ways in which it will produce glucose in the absence of carbs.
If you're against dietary sugar, while this is a stronger leg to stand on, you are still being misleading in your assertion of 0 benefits. Sugar is one of the best ways to manipulate insulin, which makes it a great tool for fitness enthusiasts, athletes, and people attempting physique transformations. Not consuming excess sugars is a fantastic goal, but there are reasons a person can choose to consume sugars with no drawbacks to their health.
All i am going to say is if you cut out all carbs or most from your diet you will go into ketosis and start using fat , meaning you dont have to eat a single gram of carbs in order to function well. There is about 1-2 week process where your body takes to switch from the main carb source to fat and you might experience headeaches and weakness. But after that you are far better off than eating carbs which obviously includes far more sugar than meat or vegetables. Also take a look at this and just see, how many reasons there are ,not to eat sugar. http://rheumatic.org/sugar.htmIf you can find a source where it lists 146+ reasons not to eat fat than ill tip my hat to you. I never said you should take all the carbs out of your diet because a little bit will never hurt you and to be honest , its pretty hard to do so these days. I understand that sugar can be good for sports and fitnes since it spikes your energy up very quickly but with a high fat diet you can keep your energy always at a moderate level while if you eat a lot of carbs you gonna have your ups and downs through your day. And if you want to keep your energy up all day with a high carb diet your gonna have to eat lots of it.
You are incredibly misinformed on what 'energy' is, you're also putting words in my mouth with 'high carb diet' as if I'm arguing the opposite extreme of eating no fat high carbs. Look at the age of many of those studies. You are citing incredibly outdated information, and citing it improperly(or at least, the site you reference is). Making statements like 'sugar increases estradiol in young men' when it is actually an effect of excess adipose tissue(something people who overconsume sugar are likely to have) and xenoestrogens found in many processed products(again, they contain sugar) is just misusing research, and is sadly something done far too often. Correlation is not causation.
Again, a diet that attempts to remove unhealthy sources of sugar such as soda, candy, and refined/processed foods, is a fantastic idea. Avoiding ALL sugar, and even going to the further extreme and attempting to live on a ketogenic diet for long periods of time however, is a terrible idea(there are very sucessful psuedo-keto diets that include refeed days however, which are much more sustainable, and even improve upon pure keto diets.). Sugar is useful, and does not have a negative impact on your health when consumed properly, just like saturated fat, cholesterol, and sodium(the former two being some of the most important dietary needs for men).
People are swinging the pendulum too far in the other direction as a reaction to the past era of demonizing fat. Now everyone is at war with all carbohydrates, and it is going to cause an equally unhealthy fad of dieting.
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On February 25 2012 08:14 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 07:46 Knap4life wrote:
The ambiguity of the term 'sugar' is once again a problem, but I've addressed much of your ranting about the demonization of carbohydrates in your LCHF thread. If you are against 'sugar' in the sense that glucose is a sugar, and thus all carbs are sugar, than you are in fact against all sources of food, because the body has ways in which it will produce glucose in the absence of carbs.
If you're against dietary sugar, while this is a stronger leg to stand on, you are still being misleading in your assertion of 0 benefits. Sugar is one of the best ways to manipulate insulin, which makes it a great tool for fitness enthusiasts, athletes, and people attempting physique transformations. Not consuming excess sugars is a fantastic goal, but there are reasons a person can choose to consume sugars with no drawbacks to their health.
All i am going to say is if you cut out all carbs or most from your diet you will go into ketosis and start using fat , meaning you dont have to eat a single gram of carbs in order to function well. There is about 1-2 week process where your body takes to switch from the main carb source to fat and you might experience headeaches and weakness. But after that you are far better off than eating carbs which obviously includes far more sugar than meat or vegetables. Also take a look at this and just see, how many reasons there are ,not to eat sugar. http://rheumatic.org/sugar.htmIf you can find a source where it lists 146+ reasons not to eat fat than ill tip my hat to you. I never said you should take all the carbs out of your diet because a little bit will never hurt you and to be honest , its pretty hard to do so these days. I understand that sugar can be good for sports and fitnes since it spikes your energy up very quickly but with a high fat diet you can keep your energy always at a moderate level while if you eat a lot of carbs you gonna have your ups and downs through your day. And if you want to keep your energy up all day with a high carb diet your gonna have to eat lots of it. You are incredibly misinformed on what 'energy' is, you're also putting words in my mouth with 'high carb diet' as if I'm arguing the opposite extreme of eating no fat high carbs. Look at the age of many of those studies. You are citing incredibly outdated information, and citing it improperly(or at least, the site you reference is). Making statements like 'sugar increases estradiol in young men' when it is actually an effect of excess adipose tissue(something people who overconsume sugar are likely to have) and xenoestrogens found in many processed products(again, they contain sugar) is just misusing research, and is sadly something done far too often. Correlation is not causation. Again, a diet that attempts to remove unhealthy sources of sugar such as soda, candy, and refined/processed foods, is a fantastic idea. Avoiding ALL sugar, and even going to the further extreme and attempting to live on a ketogenic diet for long periods of time however, is a terrible idea(there are very sucessful psuedo-keto diets that include refeed days however, which are much more sustainable, and even improve upon pure keto diets.). Sugar is useful, and does not have a negative impact on your health when consumed properly, just like saturated fat, cholesterol, and sodium(the former two being some of the most important dietary needs for men). People are swinging the pendulum too far in the other direction as a reaction to the past era of demonizing fat. Now everyone is at war with all carbohydrates, and it is going to cause an equally unhealthy fad of dieting.
Could you give me some links about why exactly living on a ketogenic diet is bad for your health? I been researching it for some time now and i was not able to find any negatives.
And outdated or not , i doubt all 146 statements are false :p .
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