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NexCa
Germany954 Posts
On February 15 2012 03:13 Frostfire wrote: I think snipe need to be 35 +15 to casters. We shouldn't live in a world where it takes more than 1 snipe to kill a zergling. And I'm zerg. simply correct, Sir ! +1 | ||
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Firenza
United States51 Posts
45 damage (-20 to Massive): Everything stays the same except Brood Lord/Ultralisk. Infestor's still can't be 2-shotted, but I'm not sure that's a necessary buff since A) They're still vulnerable to EMP and B) a slightly injured infestor (from tank splash or mis-micro) can be 2-shotted. 50 damage (-25 to Massive): Does this 2-shot zealots? If it does, that's a problem that's not worth the buff of 2-shotting infestors. If 1 point of shield regenerates that's fixed, but it's still an extra 5 damage in this situation and the TvT situations that's probably not necessary. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
And it could actually be flavorfully justified instead of +psionic which just makes no logical sense. | ||
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Glaceau
Wales333 Posts
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kubiks
France1328 Posts
I really agree on the fact that this change is killing the usage of ghost in TvT (your snipe deals more dmg to...ghosts, yeah!), and I doubt this will make the ZvT match-up better to watch (huge air are soooo untrertaining -_-), I would just rely on better maps to avoid to let the terran have the possibility to split the map in 2 (shakuras plateau get out). | ||
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achew
France86 Posts
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SCdinner
Canada516 Posts
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
I'm not going to defend the exact numerical change, but I can see a justification for making ghosts less of an end-game 'safe option no matter what'. | ||
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MythicRule
51 Posts
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SgtPepper
United States568 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
marine marauder reaper zealot baneling hydralisk mutalisk infestor corruptor broodlord ultralisk workers | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
On February 16 2012 01:20 Zorkmid wrote: I agree that there might be a better way to nerf the ghost/fix ZvT. I don't agree that terrans regularly snipe the emboldened members of QXC's "less" list: marine marauder reaper zealot baneling hydralisk mutalisk infestor corruptor broodlord ultralisk workers Less regular is better than never.  Just cause we don't see it a ton today doesn't mean we won't tomorrow. | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
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rtem
Finland54 Posts
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Dudelida
Norway3 Posts
... EVERYTHING relies on the current balance, but you will adapt as you have with every single change that has been made thus far. Sure I can agree on that this might be a bit much, but terrans, like every other race, will adapt to the changes, comming or present. Saying you do not like a change because of what you have not seen pro players do yet with the current settings when the change adresses game balance is nothing short of ridiculous to me. We never really got to see Tanks being used in innovative ways to take advantage of that ridiculous 50 damage to EVERYTHING when they still were that powerful, it was changed because it was needed, people whined about it at that time too, It will be ok in the end! | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On February 16 2012 01:27 Neurosis wrote: I just think they need to quit changing the game. Every time they patch they take away credibility for this game being a "sport". They didn't make basketball goals taller in the NBA just because Shaq is freakishly large. But they do make rule changes all the time. Handchecking turned the league from a big man dominated game to a small man dominated game. They've also added the 24 second clock, and the 3 point line. Widened the key area. You ALWAYS need to adjust rules as time goes on. This goes for SC2. What we really need to stop changing is the game that we play as an RTS e-Sport. I think that's a closer analogy. | ||
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MafiaCheese
United States87 Posts
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
On February 16 2012 01:46 Dudelida wrote: "Progamers play this game for a living. We practice everyday perfecting and refining strategies - strategies which rely on the current balance." ... EVERYTHING relies on the current balance, but you will adapt as you have with every single change that has been made thus far. Sure I can agree on that this might be a bit much, but terrans, like every other race, will adapt to the changes, comming or present. Saying you do not like a change because of what you have not seen pro players do yet with the current settings when the change adresses game balance is nothing short of ridiculous to me. We never really got to see Tanks being used in innovative ways to take advantage of that ridiculous 50 damage to EVERYTHING when they still were that powerful, it was changed because it was needed, people whined about it at that time too, It will be ok in the end! Ghost nerf whining isn't about what you had seen, it's about what you will never have a chance to see if it goes through. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On February 16 2012 01:20 Zorkmid wrote: I agree that there might be a better way to nerf the ghost/fix ZvT. I don't agree that terrans regularly snipe the emboldened members of QXC's "less" list: marine marauder reaper zealot baneling hydralisk mutalisk infestor corruptor broodlord ultralisk workers You missed the point completely. I can't say it better than qxc, but as he says in the OP: On February 15 2012 03:10 qxc wrote: Have we seen these situations before? Not really. Maybe once? Maybe almost never, but the point is that if Blizzard changes Ghosts in the proposed way we won't. Not now, not ever. This change kills potential innovation and interesting play. But the ghost vs. Tier 3 Zerg relationship can be fixed while keeping the ghost in tact in other situations. | ||
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