The Ghost Nerf is Being Done Wrong - Page 25

On February 16 2012 02:51 Yoduh wrote:


this is what i was thinking while reading the post. so not counting broodlords and ultralisks which is what the patch very much intended to not have snipe be used for, you're left with 3 units ghosts would regularly snipe pre-nerf -
baneling
mutalisk
infestor

one of which, is still viable to snipe. the list doesn't look as outrageously stacked now that all the unnecessary fluff is taken away doesn't it?

there's 2 main arguments of qxc's which are inherently flawed.
1. "nerfing snipe is like nerfing marines". this is a straw man argument. it's much easier to make an argument against a 50% marine damage nerf simply because marines are NOT ghosts! marines only have their base damage and a stim move. ghosts besides having snipe have cloak, nukes, and emp. that's a lot more utility than your average marine and still makes ghosts a viable production unit for certain situations including sniping infestors and templars. this argument of qxc's was not so much an argument against a ghost nerf, more than it actually was against a marine nerf, which only lead to confuse and mislead his audience.

2. sniping any other unit is "innovation". No, it's not, and if it is, it's not very good innovation. there's a lot better ways to kill a marauder or zealot than sniping it. Let's imagine though that there are games where possibly sniping zealots and marauders is a good idea. Out of 100 games how many do you think that scenario would present itself? 1? 2? maybe 5 at most and if we're generous? Out of 100 games of TvZ how many would it be a good idea to snipe broodlords/ultralisks? 70? 80? if not all?

Balancing a game is not a perfect science. But anyone can see that the move to nerf snipe provides MORE balance than less, even though there is a tradeoff where we significantly balance the TvZ matchup but lose a few "innovative" scenarios.

So in conclusion, myself personally, as a protoss player, I find the nerf to be fair and find qxc's argument to be both misleading and flawed.

On February 16 2012 03:29 tripper688 wrote:


As a random player, I'd have to say your argument is flawed because of the fact that nothing supports the idea that it's late game ghost play breaking TvZ right now. Heck, late game TvZ isn't even broken, not if you actually look at overall play and not just a handful of games by literally the best couple of players in the world.