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....that are the same level as you in a game.
Everyone on my friends' list is split between master league and silver league (couple bronze, couple gold). No one to play with. No one to practice with.
I'm so disorganized coming back into SC2, I don't know what the heck I'm doing right now. It's so frustrating, and I don't even have anyone to play with to alleviate some of the "goddamnit why am I so retarded" moments.
I can't count on my lower-league friends to even want to play. Most of them have given up on 1v1 because it's too hard, or they're "not into the game enough to want to improve" or whatever.
I can't count on my higher-league friends to help, because my thought process is so scattered I don't have anything coherent to ask them, and playing them is just double frustrating. I couldn't beat them at the peak of my game and it's just pathetic now.
I'm just playing randomly on custom games, mostly against diamond and masters, who beat me repeatedly. Then I'll get a couple bronzies in a row, which don't help me at all, and I feel bad beating them. Then i finally get a reasonable plat or bronze opponent, and they just roll me anyway because I don't know what the hell I'm doing right now.
ARGH.
 
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So.... why don't you just play ladder?
Where like.... you know.... it matches you against people of similar skill?
.... really?
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Dude if you want to improve you should play your master league friends. Even if you don't know what to ask they can point things out.
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I know what you mean. My brother is high masters league, I'm mid-high plat, and my friends are all silver or below. It's even more frustrating when you try to help your lower level friends, but instead of them taking your advice, they get mad at you for being such a smartass? And my brother beats me regularly 
I'm fortunate though because there is the UBC StarCraft Club in my area, and they have tons of people from all leagues available for practice 
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Get your master league players to play you and explain exactly what they are doing in real time and what you should do to counter it.
Compared to your situation mine is far worse. I'm high master and all my friends that play are gold to plat players. If I want to improve I have to do it on my own.
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On February 08 2012 06:42 slam wrote:
So.... why don't you just play ladder?
Where like.... you know.... it matches you against people of similar skill?
.... really?
Except it won't. My MMR is from before surgery, when I was not all rusty and retarded. So all it's gonna do is match me against a bunch of people that will pound me into the ground while I'm just trying to dust off my (pathetic) skills. And I'll end up in gold or silver after like a 348576 loss streak and then have to claw myself back up to plat once I knock the retard flakes out of my brain...which will liekly result in a 3428756432 win streak...and both streaks will be equally as annoying.
On February 08 2012 06:43 Necosarius wrote:
Dude if you want to improve you should play your master league friends. Even if you don't know what to ask they can point things out.
Except they don't, usually. unless I have a specific question, I usually just get "Well...you should drone at the right times and macro harder. Also, that losing thing - don't do that." Sometimes some of them are more helpful than others at other times, but usually not. They're buddies, not coaches, for the most part.
On February 08 2012 06:44 HackBenjamin wrote:I know what you mean. My brother is high masters league, I'm mid-high plat, and my friends are all silver or below. It's even more frustrating when you try to help your lower level friends, but instead of them taking your advice, they get mad at you for being such a smartass? And my brother beats me regularly I'm fortunate though because there is the UBC StarCraft Club in my area, and they have tons of people from all leagues available for practice
No clubs here, and all the "Practice Channels" that get advertised here on TL are the same: a zillion AFK people who won't play games even when they are there, another zillion that just want to obs matches and then like 3 silver leaguers that actually want to improve and like 1 master leaguer that's not very helpful slumming it. Eventually the channel empties completely and no one ever comes back.
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Or you'll lose like 5-10 games before you get warmed up again and start playing people who will give you good matches. Stop being so over-dramatic.
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Last 3 days, 20 losses out of 33 games. And the vast majority (if not all? I didn't check each one) of the wins were to bronze, silver and unrankeds. And even the wins took too long.
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Get better and then your friends will like you again
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On February 08 2012 06:57 slam wrote:
Or you'll lose like 5-10 games before you get warmed up again and start playing people who will give you good matches. Stop being so over-dramatic.
+1 to this. I was ranked 1 in my Division and playing Diamond Players (I'm plat) in every game and winning most. Took at a break , come back, my points advantage meant I was 8th or so, I lose so much I drop to 42nd, I play some more, I'm now 5th. Turns out going on a losing streak isn't the end of the world.
Suck it up and play. Playing players better than you is the best way to learn.
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I've been out of playing really since Novemeber and I wasn't very active right before surgery either. So I've been out of game for around 14 weeks according to my ladder match history. I really don't remember my builds or meta well enough to do ANYTHING with them, and it's just not coming back to me. I can't get any good practice in without anyone to practice with. The practice I am getting is slow, inefficient and frustrating.
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On February 08 2012 06:42 slam wrote:
So.... why don't you just play ladder?
Where like.... you know.... it matches you against people of similar skill?
.... really?
seconded. what a weird blog.
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On February 08 2012 07:05 Reithan wrote:
I've been out of playing really since Novemeber and I wasn't very active right before surgery either. So I've been out of game for around 14 weeks according to my ladder match history. I really don't remember my builds or meta well enough to do ANYTHING with them, and it's just not coming back to me. I can't get any good practice in without anyone to practice with. The practice I am getting is slow, inefficient and frustrating.
If you're attitude is this defeatist, why bother?
Go onto Liquipedia, play around with builds, find one which works for you. Practice it.
The ladder is a great form of practice. I know for a fact that in Europe the SC2improve channel is pretty active, I'm sure there's a decent practice channel in NA if you're this scared of ladder.
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On February 08 2012 06:53 Reithan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 06:43 Necosarius wrote:
Dude if you want to improve you should play your master league friends. Even if you don't know what to ask they can point things out. Except they don't, usually. unless I have a specific question, I usually just get "Well...you should drone at the right times and macro harder. Also, that losing thing - don't do that." Sometimes some of them are more helpful than others at other times, but usually not. They're buddies, not coaches, for the most part.
I thought friends helped eachothers? 
Ask them what makes them hate SC2 or your race then use it against them! Study the replays! Or ask "why did I die?" Or you could just play them until you get frustrated and then stomp your other friends ^^
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it sucks having no friends...
that's it.
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On February 08 2012 06:53 Reithan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 06:42 slam wrote:
So.... why don't you just play ladder?
Where like.... you know.... it matches you against people of similar skill?
.... really? Except it won't. My MMR is from before surgery, when I was not all rusty and retarded. So all it's gonna do is match me against a bunch of people that will pound me into the ground while I'm just trying to dust off my (pathetic) skills. And I'll end up in gold or silver after like a 348576 loss streak and then have to claw myself back up to plat once I knock the retard flakes out of my brain...which will liekly result in a 3428756432 win streak...and both streaks will be equally as annoying. Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 06:43 Necosarius wrote:
Dude if you want to improve you should play your master league friends. Even if you don't know what to ask they can point things out. Except they don't, usually. unless I have a specific question, I usually just get "Well...you should drone at the right times and macro harder. Also, that losing thing - don't do that." Sometimes some of them are more helpful than others at other times, but usually not. They're buddies, not coaches, for the most part. Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 06:44 HackBenjamin wrote:I know what you mean. My brother is high masters league, I'm mid-high plat, and my friends are all silver or below. It's even more frustrating when you try to help your lower level friends, but instead of them taking your advice, they get mad at you for being such a smartass? And my brother beats me regularly I'm fortunate though because there is the UBC StarCraft Club in my area, and they have tons of people from all leagues available for practice No clubs here, and all the "Practice Channels" that get advertised here on TL are the same: a zillion AFK people who won't play games even when they are there, another zillion that just want to obs matches and then like 3 silver leaguers that actually want to improve and like 1 master leaguer that's not very helpful slumming it. Eventually the channel empties completely and no one ever comes back.
With that kind of an attitude...you should just quit the game.
I really don't understand. You were somewhere in Plat before. Then you had some kind of surgery that's deteriorated your play down to silver? Now you don't want to play because you don't want to accept that you'll need to practice a bit to get yourself back up to where you were before?
You have friends who are better than you but you won't ask them for help, but you still stomp bronze level players...
So you're frustrated that you're worse than before, but refuse to ladder and lose a few games to stabilize your MMR, and now you're getting frustrated with everyone else in the world because they won't practice with you?
Lol. Just stop playing. Your attitude is terrible.
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Well, you could always try off-racing against your Bronze friends, or try getting your Masters friends to off-race against you. Maybe that might reduce some of the skill differential?
I have a friend who is only slightly better than me at his main race, but he usually is annoying and tries to 4-gate Void Ray all-in me every time I expect a macro game. Quite irritating.
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Eh, what can I say, as noted I'm frustrated. Just because I bitch a little doesn't mean I'm gonna give up. I'm just annoyed by my progress (or lack there of). Maybe I'm expecting to get better too fast, maybe I actually am getting back into this particularly slowly.
As to my higher-tier friends, well, it's hard for me to expect them to just drop whatever they're doing an come to my rescue and cram all my lost knowledge back into my leaky head. On the same level, as noted, most of my lower-league friends are lower league because they refuse to play or practice 1v1. I can get them to do 2v2 or 3v3 with me sometimes, which can be fun just for wasting time...but not very helpful for practice.
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Gotta agree with PH here...
either stop being such a pussy, pick good builds from guides or replays, practice them vs pc or ladder and get better, or just stop playing the game because your attitude is indeed just terrible.
on lower leagues you dont get better by playing with friends anyways, you get better by learning proper builds and mass practicing them, vs who doesnt matter
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First, relax, then ask yourself, "Do I like this game?" If yes, keep playing. No? Stop.
I think what your master's friends are trying to tell you is "mash buttons faster and things will get better by default" which is what allowed me to go from silver to diamond without having the slightest clue as to what I was doing, except for the few things I copied off of streams.
Once you've become somewhat-proficient at button mashing, you can / should ask for advice concerning your button mashing "Am I taking my gas too early / late for what I'm sort-of-attempting-to-do? Do you have any tips or tricks for how to make my button mashing more efficient?"
When you and your master-league friends can look at one of your replays and say, "He droned himself to death" rather than "You have 1000 gas at the 8 minute mark", then they'll feel somewhat-comfortable giving you advice concerning strategy.
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From what it seems to me, it looks like you have trouble with your mechanics. If that's the case, I suggest you play on some trainer customs and mass team games. The reason I say team games is that in team games all you learn to do is defend early cheese and practice hardcore macro. To do this, you work on most aspects of the game people have trouble with - worker production, cheese defense adjustments, scouting, etc. I got incredibly better at 1v1 by spamming team games at the Masters level. I think it could work for you too.
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On February 08 2012 06:53 Reithan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 06:42 slam wrote:
So.... why don't you just play ladder?
Where like.... you know.... it matches you against people of similar skill?
.... really? Except it won't. My MMR is from before surgery, when I was not all rusty and retarded. So all it's gonna do is match me against a bunch of people that will pound me into the ground while I'm just trying to dust off my (pathetic) skills. And I'll end up in gold or silver after like a 348576 loss streak and then have to claw myself back up to plat once I knock the retard flakes out of my brain...which will liekly result in a 3428756432 win streak...and both streaks will be equally as annoying.
This is a terrible thing to say. If you are currently incapable of winning in platinum, then you are not platinum and do not deserve to be there. Just play the ladder and who cares if you drop a league that you cannot compete in right now. If you are actually platinum then you will eventually be back there. Why hang onto something you are not.
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I know how you feel; I had no one to play with at your level, either, so I had to go it alone. Really, just go ladder. It's scary, I know, we all know, but... just do it. You have to if you really do want to improve. Eventually you'll just get over it.
On February 08 2012 12:37 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 06:53 Reithan wrote:On February 08 2012 06:42 slam wrote:
So.... why don't you just play ladder?
Where like.... you know.... it matches you against people of similar skill?
.... really? Except it won't. My MMR is from before surgery, when I was not all rusty and retarded. So all it's gonna do is match me against a bunch of people that will pound me into the ground while I'm just trying to dust off my (pathetic) skills. And I'll end up in gold or silver after like a 348576 loss streak and then have to claw myself back up to plat once I knock the retard flakes out of my brain...which will liekly result in a 3428756432 win streak...and both streaks will be equally as annoying. This is a terrible thing to say. If you are currently incapable of winning in platinum, then you are not platinum and do not deserve to be there. Just play the ladder and who cares if you drop a league that you cannot compete in right now. If you are actually platinum then you will eventually be back there. Why hang onto something you are not.
This is true, yeah, but it's really hard. When you reach a certain skill level it's extraordinarily discouraging to fall back down from it for an extended time. I personally quit playing (at least for now) because I got into master and then, after a week or so, fell back out. The demotion fucks with your head and keeps you from improving back to what you were before.
Best not to let it happen.
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On February 08 2012 12:45 UmiNotsuki wrote:I know how you feel; I had no one to play with at your level, either, so I had to go it alone. Really, just go ladder. It's scary, I know, we all know, but... just do it. You have to if you really do want to improve. Eventually you'll just get over it. Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 12:37 eXigent. wrote:On February 08 2012 06:53 Reithan wrote:On February 08 2012 06:42 slam wrote:
So.... why don't you just play ladder?
Where like.... you know.... it matches you against people of similar skill?
.... really? Except it won't. My MMR is from before surgery, when I was not all rusty and retarded. So all it's gonna do is match me against a bunch of people that will pound me into the ground while I'm just trying to dust off my (pathetic) skills. And I'll end up in gold or silver after like a 348576 loss streak and then have to claw myself back up to plat once I knock the retard flakes out of my brain...which will liekly result in a 3428756432 win streak...and both streaks will be equally as annoying. This is a terrible thing to say. If you are currently incapable of winning in platinum, then you are not platinum and do not deserve to be there. Just play the ladder and who cares if you drop a league that you cannot compete in right now. If you are actually platinum then you will eventually be back there. Why hang onto something you are not. This is true, yeah, but it's really hard. When you reach a certain skill level it's extraordinarily discouraging to fall back down from it for an extended time. I personally quit playing (at least for now) because I got into master and then, after a week or so, fell back out. The demotion fucks with your head and keeps you from improving back to what you were before. Best not to let it happen.
If all you worry about as a player is the league you are currently in (especially if you know you cannot currently hold that league) then you will probably never improve all that much further. Someone willing to improve at any cost would already realize the icon next to your name is meaningless and interchangeable in correlation to the skill level you currently posses, and would make the sacrafices (dropping a league) in order to maintain practice, and eventually overcome their setbacks.
Lastly, if you are extremely discouraged to continue playing because you fell down a league, then you are probably not made for this game. If anything, that should make a player much more determined to practice and do well, and regain the ground they lost.
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This would make a nice first world problem macro image.
"My friends are either noobs or pros , I feel so alone"
Yeah, maybe just make more friends??????
Threads like this make me want to slap a bitch(meaning OP)
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OP speaks the truth back in 2009 when all my friends played Broodwar I had a competitive drive like no other to improve. We all started around Low D- where we played ICcup occasionally but mostly just played tons of games against each other every other day or so. Once I started losing some frustating games to my friends I started laddering way more then them and quickly got up to D+ and rarely ever lost to them, then they sort of stopped playing and I fell back to D.
In SC2 it's similar I became better then my friends again and they stopped playing as much T_T I was never even a poor sport about it, I always try and be supportive and get them to play more.
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Lonely people will come to this thread hoping to find someone who shares their pain, only to find that you have a fruitful social life with plenty of friends that even play sc2. Way to lead them on. =P
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