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Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 13:47:58
February 01 2012 09:33 GMT
#1
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Arachne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
South Africa426 Posts
February 01 2012 09:39 GMT
#2
There is no incentive for the other player to believe you once you announce the race.

Day9 has the best way of playing random, and that is play a race for each day/practice session.

Alternatively, tell yourself "Once I lose 1 game, i switch races"
If I were a rich man, I wouldn't be here
Turo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada333 Posts
February 01 2012 09:41 GMT
#3
tvz - reactor hellion. nuff said.

pvp - 1 gate robo into 3 gates, or straight 3 gate

pvz - ffe exclusively. just need to scout effectively, and it becomes the most solid opening.

those are my suggestions
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
February 01 2012 09:44 GMT
#4
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
February 01 2012 09:52 GMT
#5
What's an xkcd 1GFE? ;o
DYEAlabaster
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 09:54:15
February 01 2012 09:52 GMT
#6
On February 01 2012 18:39 TheEconomist wrote:
There is no incentive for the other player to believe you once you announce the race.

Day9 has the best way of playing random, and that is play a race for each day/practice session.

Alternatively, tell yourself "Once I lose 1 game, i switch races"


Roll dat dice. 1/2 zerg 3/4 terran 5/6 protss.

The way I do it is usually playing x games as random, just to see which race/mu needs most work on, and then I focus solely on that for a good while

Edit:

zvz- ling/baneling wars will happen. Just get ready for that
tvz- reactor hellions. I know it's been said. But seriously. reactor. Hellions.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
February 01 2012 09:52 GMT
#7
I've been going random since mid season. It's a lot more interesting and fun than going same race all the time(used to be terran). It gets really annoying because everyone expects you to do something cheesy, so you can never really play standard. My only advice is to keep allins and cheeses in your mind as you're laddering, and good luck!
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
February 01 2012 09:53 GMT
#8
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
February 01 2012 09:55 GMT
#9
On February 01 2012 18:53 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 18:52 Talin wrote:
What's an xkcd 1GFE? ;o

It's a misspelled kcdc


oh lol, yeah that makes sense now, should have figured -_-

I wondered what the webcomic had to do with SC2 Protoss builds.
HungrySC2
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States191 Posts
February 01 2012 09:56 GMT
#10
As Terran Learn builds you can use against all 3 races.

2 rax expand/pressure (gasless)
1 rax FE
Reaper Expand
Banshee Expand
1-1-1
Reactor hellion expand (not so good against protoss)
"First say to yourself what you would be; And then do what you have to do. (Epictetus)
aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
February 01 2012 10:03 GMT
#11
On February 01 2012 18:39 TheEconomist wrote:
There is no incentive for the other player to believe you once you announce the race.


Sure there is.

I always believe people, and if they lie, I just quit the game - instead of wasting my time
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
February 01 2012 10:24 GMT
#12
i think its a good point about announcing race cos as a toss player i feel im behind from the start against random players

just roll a dice like someone already said
Bwall
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden145 Posts
February 01 2012 10:45 GMT
#13
Advancing to masters will be much harder as a random player than for a specific race, because the matchups are so different. The effort needed is probably more than 3 times that of playing one race.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
February 01 2012 10:54 GMT
#14
Announce race at the start of the game. I want to really learn all 3 races, so I don't want to disrupt my opponents BOs because they don't know my race (i.e. Protoss can go FFE if they know I'm Zerg).


I do this, but people dont believe me and protoss still do gateway walloff builds when i random zerg
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
heha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia425 Posts
February 01 2012 11:00 GMT
#15
Random? This message is approved

Most people in masters actually seem to believe me when I tell race. Or at least, I face a very large amount of FFEs in ZvP
Random for life! phoneheha
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 11:09:08
February 01 2012 11:08 GMT
#16
On February 01 2012 19:45 Bwall wrote:
Advancing to masters will be much harder as a random player than for a specific race, because the matchups are so different. The effort needed is probably more than 3 times that of playing one race.

Not really. While knowing matchups etc is important, the most important aspect of SC is mechanics and macro. Pro players are top masters with all races even if they more or less never use them because their mechanics are so good. I'm platinum zerg and got to gold immediately on a terran smurf account even though I had never used T on ladder and I lost 2 placement matches on purpose.

It's probably true for most people from plat and up that their offraces are about the same league or one league lower. It's harder for masters since macro makes a smaller difference the higher you go, but saying it's more than 3 times the effort... nah.
teamamerica
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States958 Posts
February 01 2012 11:35 GMT
#17
Gl hf with your goals but don't 2rax TvP. Toss are so used to it and against a 1gate expo you shouldn't be able to do much damage (whether you go with shells or shields) and then 7gates/6gate robo are REALLLLLLLY hard to hold off. And vs anything not a 1gate expo (3gate void, 3gate robo, 4gate robo) you won't have enough units by off 2rax to hold (most times). Maybe vs 3gate blink. I'd either go 1rax expo or something like what vileIllusion does (he goes cloak banshee with hellion drops into mech).

As for TvT, something with mech is really vague. I'd go Thorzains 1rax expo, as one rax expo is fine for holding anything (reaper/hellion/medivac play can be really annoying though) or gas first not cloak banshee into mech if you want mech.

1-1-1 is terrible vs Zerg (again, imo), mass ling just crushes you. If the Z sees you haven't expanded (and stops droning around 30 and pumps lings you'll get destroyed horribly). And reactor hellion works decently vs Toss, esp when they 1gate expo as you force them to stay at home and can often get ~10 probe kills. Just remember to get a bunker depending on how fast you see their stalker coming.

I always am happy to match randoms because I feel if I can survive the early game, I have an advantage in the late game but gl hf to you!
RIP GOMTV. RIP PROLEAGUE.
achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
February 01 2012 12:57 GMT
#18
Just a BTW, your MMR doesn't reset every season (it never does as far as I know). The only thing that resets is your wins (and losses if you're masters+), your ladder rank and league.

Correct me if I'm wrong ^^
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Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
February 01 2012 13:10 GMT
#19
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achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
February 01 2012 13:16 GMT
#20
On February 01 2012 22:10 Inori wrote:
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On February 01 2012 21:57 achristes wrote:
Just a BTW, your MMR doesn't reset every season (it never does as far as I know). The only thing that resets is your wins (and losses if you're masters+), your ladder rank and league.

Correct me if I'm wrong ^^

You're wrong.
If a player doesn't play a single game for a full season (so he's not even assigned to a league when ladder resets), then he gets full MMR wipe (5 placement matches instead of 1 and against bronze opponents instead of previous level).

Learning something new everyday
Sorry for misleading post.
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