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pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
January 27 2012 11:33 GMT
#21
Don't you have an instructor to teach you how to drive? Or at least someone who's a good driver who can help you out?
[KGS]Slacker
Profile Joined November 2009
Denmark82 Posts
January 27 2012 12:37 GMT
#22
I don't remember turning being the hard thing about learning to drive. Learning to use the clutch properly was the hardest part.
ellerina
Profile Joined April 2010
Philippines452 Posts
January 27 2012 12:49 GMT
#23
Congrats on your first drive! I found it a bit scary when I finally drove on my own for the first time in a major road, but like many things, practice makes perfect. I thought the hardest thing (aside from using the clutch) about driving was estimation- knowing if you have enough space to overtake, to meet another car in a really tight road, things like that.

Like other TLers, I recommend learning on a manual car along with automatic (just not at the same time of course lol). You never know when you might go to Europe/another country where most, if not all of the rentals are manual! Always pays to be more versatile. Once you have the clutch down, the fun part is starting and stopping on steep inclines.
Still round the corner there may wait , A new road or a secret gate /And though I oft have passed them by, A day will come at last when I /Shall take the hidden paths that run/West of the Moon, East of the Sun
Renzin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia75 Posts
January 27 2012 13:06 GMT
#24
Don't worry about being nervous, it's perfectly natural to be nervous the first time. As for turning you'll get better at it as you drive more, I hope you got taken out to an empty carpark or somewhere else that's empty for your first time driving. Just practice low speed manouevering, turning, stopping ,etc in an empty area for your first few times. Like a lot of other people have said already, the main thing you'll have to worry about is other road users once you get the hang of basic control over your car. Just take it slow and steady and progress from empty places to quiet side streets then main roads and etc as you get more confident and capable.
GigaFlop
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1146 Posts
January 27 2012 13:07 GMT
#25
You're sitting in a 2-ton chunk of metal, with the ability to go up to 100+ MPH at the stomp of a pedal(and a few seconds). Also, don't mind that it has several gallons of explosive fuel inside of it.

If that didn't scare you, you should be fine with some practice. Once you get better with driving, ask to drive places instead of letting your parents drive, if you can.
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MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
January 27 2012 16:24 GMT
#26
On January 27 2012 13:32 decker247777 wrote:
So other then the terrifying start of me running over a cable box(holy crap). It was a learning and rewarding experience.

How the hell did that happen? Is your instructor incompetent, or why didn't he stop you?
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Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
January 27 2012 16:28 GMT
#27
On January 27 2012 18:36 btx0 wrote:
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On January 27 2012 18:05 Masq wrote:
dont you guys take driving lessons? ;p

I'm (honestly) wondering the same thing. Would be nice if someone explained how you get your license.
For example in Germany you have to take 18 hours of driving theory and at least 8 hours of actual driving with an instructor (most people take a lot more than that) before you can even take the test, which 25% fail on their first try. Also if you take your driving test on an automatic car you aren't allowed to drive stick shift.

To get a license all you have to do is be 16 and pass a theory, driving, and eye test. The specifics are different depending on the state. In my state, I didn't even have to take the driving portion since I took drivers ed in high school. Getting a license is easy and general rules of the road like proper distance, lane changes, blinker usage, ect are rarely enforced unless the cops are looking for an excuse to pull you over.
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itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-27 18:21:54
January 27 2012 17:59 GMT
#28
Learn how to deal with inclement weather so you don't end up like most every other driver (at least in my area) and crash when it drizzles a tenth of an inch of rain. Snow, rain, dense fog, sleet, hydroplaning, skids, high wind etc. People slow down to like 45 mph or below on the roads and highways here during these times and still manage to get into huge multiple car accidents. It's absolutely maddening.

When you suddenly see something like a rabbit or a squirrel on the road and there appears to be no safe way to go around it, I'd advise you to go through it instead of frantically swerving out of the way only to spectacularly crash into a tree and set your car on fire like what happened to a group of my friends a few years back. Indeed, for something that small, the animal will probably pass under your car unharmed while you go along merrily on your way. Try your very best not to hit an animal bigger than a dog, such as a deer, because those are pretty much equivalent to hitting a tree in terms of the damage that they can do to your car and to you and your passengers.

On the subject of crashes: put on your safety belt, and adjust it for your person. Ensure all passengers have their belts on before you go off onto the open road. Sit a safe distance away from the steering wheel so if the airbag deploys it doesn't gutpunch you to death.

Have insurance. Not fly-by-night insurance that technically gets you out of your legal jurisdiction's requirements, but real insurance with real coverage that won't screw you if you get into an accident, especially if you end up being the one that is determined as being liable for the damages.

Also, you must learn how to drive defensively. You cannot trust other drivers to keep you alive on the road and have to plan ahead for them to do something absolutely retarded like merge into your lane without looking, run red lights without warning, etc.

When you have passengers in your car, take extra care on the road. Not only do you have other people's lives in your hands, but also passengers increase the total weight and weight distribution of your car and may thus significantly decrease its handling performance.

I second the 'learn stick-shift' advocates in here, but whatever car you have is the car that you have. Take good care of it in terms of maintenance, and learn how it works. Learn how to do simple stuff like checking your oil, changing your air fiter, and others. Finally, learn how to change your tyres to the spare in an emergency and learn how to recieve or administer a jump start.
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missefficiency
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany105 Posts
January 27 2012 18:44 GMT
#29
Lol, I just remembered my first time driving: My dad clinging to the door's handle, his right foot stomping in the air as though he wanted to slam on the brake this friggin second, completely paranoid I might crash his car
Nothing happened. Nevertheless, as he got more relaxed (took only half a year or so^^), he had lots of advice for me. Go for someone experienced to drive with you, got me out of difficult situations more than once.
“If you want to support others you have to stay upright yourself.” ― Peter Høeg
-Kaiser-
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada932 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 23:06:56
January 28 2012 23:06 GMT
#30
On January 27 2012 18:23 zatic wrote:
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On January 27 2012 15:37 Abductedonut wrote:
If you're ever hydroplaning, DO NOT slam on the breaks. Let go of the acceleration until you regain traction or very very lightly tap on the break. This might save your life some day!

I almost killed a felllow TLer hydroplaning @ 230 km/h. It was completely instant, one second the road was bone dry, the next we hit a wall of water and my car starts planing. It probably took less than 15 or maybe even less than 10 seconds to regain control, but those seconds felt like minutes as we were sliding cross lanes between moving cars at over 200 km/h.

I did stay calm though and not touching the break, not steering but shifting down probably saved us. So yeah foot off the breaks if that ever happens.


I had the biggest "what the fuck" look on my face reading this until I realized you were from Germany. All of a sudden 230km/h made sense.
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Djeez
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
543 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 00:08:47
January 29 2012 00:07 GMT
#31
On January 29 2012 08:06 -Kaiser- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 18:23 zatic wrote:
On January 27 2012 15:37 Abductedonut wrote:
If you're ever hydroplaning, DO NOT slam on the breaks. Let go of the acceleration until you regain traction or very very lightly tap on the break. This might save your life some day!

I almost killed a felllow TLer hydroplaning @ 230 km/h. It was completely instant, one second the road was bone dry, the next we hit a wall of water and my car starts planing. It probably took less than 15 or maybe even less than 10 seconds to regain control, but those seconds felt like minutes as we were sliding cross lanes between moving cars at over 200 km/h.

I did stay calm though and not touching the break, not steering but shifting down probably saved us. So yeah foot off the breaks if that ever happens.


I had the biggest "what the fuck" look on my face reading this until I realized you were from Germany. All of a sudden 230km/h made sense.


Why? Germans are allowed to drive like reckless imbeciles? Never understood the mentality of speed freaks, especially on public road.
''Watching steppes of war in the gsl would be like watching the dreamhack 1.6 finals start out on fy_iceworld. '' -red_b
missefficiency
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany105 Posts
January 29 2012 01:08 GMT
#32
On January 29 2012 09:07 Djeez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 08:06 -Kaiser- wrote:
On January 27 2012 18:23 zatic wrote:
On January 27 2012 15:37 Abductedonut wrote:
If you're ever hydroplaning, DO NOT slam on the breaks. Let go of the acceleration until you regain traction or very very lightly tap on the break. This might save your life some day!

I almost killed a felllow TLer hydroplaning @ 230 km/h. It was completely instant, one second the road was bone dry, the next we hit a wall of water and my car starts planing. It probably took less than 15 or maybe even less than 10 seconds to regain control, but those seconds felt like minutes as we were sliding cross lanes between moving cars at over 200 km/h.

I did stay calm though and not touching the break, not steering but shifting down probably saved us. So yeah foot off the breaks if that ever happens.


I had the biggest "what the fuck" look on my face reading this until I realized you were from Germany. All of a sudden 230km/h made sense.


Why? Germans are allowed to drive like reckless imbeciles? Never understood the mentality of speed freaks, especially on public road.


230 km/h is fast, but the real speed freaks are the ones overtaking you at 260 :/
“If you want to support others you have to stay upright yourself.” ― Peter Høeg
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
January 29 2012 01:46 GMT
#33
On January 29 2012 09:07 Djeez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 08:06 -Kaiser- wrote:
On January 27 2012 18:23 zatic wrote:
On January 27 2012 15:37 Abductedonut wrote:
If you're ever hydroplaning, DO NOT slam on the breaks. Let go of the acceleration until you regain traction or very very lightly tap on the break. This might save your life some day!

I almost killed a felllow TLer hydroplaning @ 230 km/h. It was completely instant, one second the road was bone dry, the next we hit a wall of water and my car starts planing. It probably took less than 15 or maybe even less than 10 seconds to regain control, but those seconds felt like minutes as we were sliding cross lanes between moving cars at over 200 km/h.

I did stay calm though and not touching the break, not steering but shifting down probably saved us. So yeah foot off the breaks if that ever happens.


I had the biggest "what the fuck" look on my face reading this until I realized you were from Germany. All of a sudden 230km/h made sense.


Why? Germans are allowed to drive like reckless imbeciles? Never understood the mentality of speed freaks, especially on public road.


I believe some german freeways don't have speed limits, so yes, you're allowed to drive quite recklessly.
Djeez
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
543 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 01:54:48
January 29 2012 01:53 GMT
#34
On January 29 2012 10:46 Canas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 09:07 Djeez wrote:
On January 29 2012 08:06 -Kaiser- wrote:
On January 27 2012 18:23 zatic wrote:
On January 27 2012 15:37 Abductedonut wrote:
If you're ever hydroplaning, DO NOT slam on the breaks. Let go of the acceleration until you regain traction or very very lightly tap on the break. This might save your life some day!

I almost killed a felllow TLer hydroplaning @ 230 km/h. It was completely instant, one second the road was bone dry, the next we hit a wall of water and my car starts planing. It probably took less than 15 or maybe even less than 10 seconds to regain control, but those seconds felt like minutes as we were sliding cross lanes between moving cars at over 200 km/h.

I did stay calm though and not touching the break, not steering but shifting down probably saved us. So yeah foot off the breaks if that ever happens.


I had the biggest "what the fuck" look on my face reading this until I realized you were from Germany. All of a sudden 230km/h made sense.


Why? Germans are allowed to drive like reckless imbeciles? Never understood the mentality of speed freaks, especially on public road.


I believe some german freeways don't have speed limits, so yes, you're allowed to drive quite recklessly.


Holy hell. Freeways must be insane to drive on. Hopefully there's multiple lanes so cautious drivers can drive without the fear of being rear-ended by someone who believes whatever he has to do is more important than other people's safety. Or maybe german drivers are just badasses? Schumacher was german right?
''Watching steppes of war in the gsl would be like watching the dreamhack 1.6 finals start out on fy_iceworld. '' -red_b
EternaLLegacy
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States410 Posts
January 29 2012 05:39 GMT
#35
On January 28 2012 01:24 MasterOfChaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 13:32 decker247777 wrote:
So other then the terrifying start of me running over a cable box(holy crap). It was a learning and rewarding experience.

How the hell did that happen? Is your instructor incompetent, or why didn't he stop you?


Probably incompetent. You shouldn't be relying on "instructors" to teach you how to drive anyways. Your parents/older siblings should be helping you, not some random ass dude/chick. Besides, it's not like the people teaching in driving schools are doing it because they love the job. You're just not gonna be getting instruction from someone who gives a fuck.
Statists gonna State.
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
January 29 2012 05:45 GMT
#36
On January 27 2012 21:37 [KGS]Slacker wrote:
I don't remember turning being the hard thing about learning to drive. Learning to use the clutch properly was the hardest part.


Same. The damn car stalled all the time cause I was too fast on the clutch but that is only an issue if you drive with a stick.

I also found parking somewhat tricky. Depends of the size of the car though.

Tip of advice that everyone knows but not everyone follows: Keep your focus on driving and dont mess around with the radio, phone etc.
You should also slow down if the weather is bad.
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
January 29 2012 13:08 GMT
#37
On January 29 2012 14:39 EternaLLegacy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 01:24 MasterOfChaos wrote:
On January 27 2012 13:32 decker247777 wrote:
So other then the terrifying start of me running over a cable box(holy crap). It was a learning and rewarding experience.

How the hell did that happen? Is your instructor incompetent, or why didn't he stop you?


Probably incompetent. You shouldn't be relying on "instructors" to teach you how to drive anyways. Your parents/older siblings should be helping you, not some random ass dude/chick. Besides, it's not like the people teaching in driving schools are doing it because they love the job. You're just not gonna be getting instruction from someone who gives a fuck.


This completely depends. A good instructor is honestly several thousand times better than learning from your parents, I probably spent three or four times more time driving with my parents than I did with an instructor, yet I still feel like I learned more from the instructor than my parents, in total.
Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
January 29 2012 15:35 GMT
#38
On January 29 2012 10:53 Djeez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 10:46 Canas wrote:
On January 29 2012 09:07 Djeez wrote:
On January 29 2012 08:06 -Kaiser- wrote:
On January 27 2012 18:23 zatic wrote:
On January 27 2012 15:37 Abductedonut wrote:
If you're ever hydroplaning, DO NOT slam on the breaks. Let go of the acceleration until you regain traction or very very lightly tap on the break. This might save your life some day!

I almost killed a felllow TLer hydroplaning @ 230 km/h. It was completely instant, one second the road was bone dry, the next we hit a wall of water and my car starts planing. It probably took less than 15 or maybe even less than 10 seconds to regain control, but those seconds felt like minutes as we were sliding cross lanes between moving cars at over 200 km/h.

I did stay calm though and not touching the break, not steering but shifting down probably saved us. So yeah foot off the breaks if that ever happens.


I had the biggest "what the fuck" look on my face reading this until I realized you were from Germany. All of a sudden 230km/h made sense.


Why? Germans are allowed to drive like reckless imbeciles? Never understood the mentality of speed freaks, especially on public road.


I believe some german freeways don't have speed limits, so yes, you're allowed to drive quite recklessly.


Holy hell. Freeways must be insane to drive on. Hopefully there's multiple lanes so cautious drivers can drive without the fear of being rear-ended by someone who believes whatever he has to do is more important than other people's safety. Or maybe german drivers are just badasses? Schumacher was german right?


Yeah our freeways generally don't have speed limits. Usually people won't drive faster than like 160km/h. And our freeways have almost always 3 lanes. German drivers are mostly either racers with 20 km/h too much or fucking snails driving 70 where 100 is allowed.
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