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Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 06:24:20
January 17 2012 05:59 GMT
#1
All below are quotes from "The Art of War" written by Sun Tzu. May you heed his words and not end up like us americans did in vietnam
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The art of war is of vital importance to the State. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War

All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War

If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War

"The art of using troops is this:
......When ten to the enemy's one, surround him;
......When five times his strength, attack him;
......If double his strength, divide him;
......If equally matched you may engage him;
......If weaker numerically, be capable of withdrawing;
......And if in all respects unequal, be capable of eluding him,
..........for a small force is but booty for one more powerful."
- Sun Tzu, the Art Of War

"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys.
Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!"
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War

the general who wins a battle makes many calculations in his temple ere the battle is fought. The general who loses a battle makes but few calculations beforehand. Thus do many calculations lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat: how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention to this point that I can foresee who is likely to w in or lose.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War

He who wishes to fight must first count the cost. When you engage in actual fighting, if victory is long in coming, then men's weapons will grow dull and their ardor will be dampened. If you lay siege to a town, you will exhaust your strength. Again, if the campaign is protracted, the resources of the State will not be equal to the strain. Now, when your weapons are dulled, your ardor dampened, your strength exhausted and your treasure spent, other chieftains will spring up to take advantage of your extremity. Then no man, however wise, will be able to avert the consequences that must ensue... In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War

Though we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been seen associated with long delays.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War

It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war that can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War

Bring war material with you from home, but forage on the enemy... use the conquered foe to augment one's own strength.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War

In the practical art of war, the best thing of all is to take the enemy's country whole and intact; to shatter and destroy it is not so good. So, too, it is better to recapture an army entire than to destroy it.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War

To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War

Thus the highest form of generalship is to balk the enemy's plans, the next best is to prevent the junction of the enemy's forces, the next in order is to attack the enemy's army in the field, and the worst policy of all is to besiege walled cities.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War

There are three ways in which a ruler can bring misfortune upon his army: By commanding the army to advance or to retreat, being ignorant of the fact that it cannot obey; This is called hobbling the army. By attempting to govern an army in the same way as he administers a kingdom, being ignorant of the conditions which obtain in an army; This causes restlessness in the soldier's minds. By employing the officers of his army without discrimination, through ignorance of the military principle of adaptation to circumstances. This shakes the confidence of the soldiers.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces. He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks. He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared. He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign.
-Sun Tzu, the Art of War


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If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
- Sun Tzu

The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy. To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. Thus the good fighter is able to secure himself against defeat, but cannot make certain of defeating the enemy.
- Sun Tzu

Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated.
- Sun Tzu

The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.
- Sun Tzu

Fighting with a large army under your command is nowise different from fighting with a small one: it is merely a question of instituting signs and signals.
- Sun Tzu

In all fighting, the direct method may be used for joining battle, but indirect methods will be needed in order to secure victory. In battle, there are not more than two methods of attack - the direct and the indirect; yet these two in combination give rise to an endless series of maneuvers. The direct and the indirect lead on to each other in turn. It is like moving in a circle - you never come to an end. Who can exhaust the possibilities of their combination?
- Sun Tzu

Whoever is first in the field and awaits the coming of the enemy, will be fresh for the fight; whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to battle will arrive exhausted.
- Sun Tzu

The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him.
- Sun Tzu


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An army may march great distances without distress, if it marches through country where the enemy is not. You can be sure of succeeding in your attacks if you only attack places which are undefended. You can ensure the safety of your defense if you only hold positions that cannot be attacked.
- Sun Tzu

Hence that general is skillful in attack whose opponent does not know what to defend; and he is skillful in defense whose opponent does not know what to attack.
- Sun Tzu

If we wish to fight, the enemy can be forced to an engagement even though he be sheltered behind a high rampart and a deep ditch. All we need do is attack some other place that he will be obliged to relieve. If we do not wish to fight, we can prevent the enemy from engaging us even though the lines of our encampment be merely traced out on the ground. All we need do is to throw something odd and unaccountable in his way.
- Sun Tzu

Should the enemy strengthen his van, he will weaken his rear; should he strengthen his rear, he will weaken his van; should he strengthen his left, he will weaken his right; should he strengthen his right, he will weaken his left. If he sends reinforcements everywhere, he will everywhere be weak.
- Sun Tzu

In making tactical dispositions, the highest pitch you can attain is to conceal them.
- Sun Tzu

Military tactics are like unto water; for water in its natural course runs away from high places and hastens downwards... Water shapes its course according to the nature of the ground over which it flows; the soldier works out his victory in relation to the foe whom he is facing. Therefore, just as water retains no constant shape, so in warfare there are no constant conditions. He who can modify his tactics in relation to his opponent and thereby succeed in winning, may be called a heaven-born captain.
- Sun Tzu

So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
- Sun Tzu

The difficulty of tactical maneuvering consists in turning the devious into the direct, and misfortune into gain.
- Sun Tzu

Maneuvering with an army is advantageous; with an undisciplined multitude, most dangerous.
- Sun Tzu

We cannot enter into alliances until we are acquainted with the designs of our neighbors.
- Sun Tzu

Do not interfere with an army that is returning home. When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.
- Sun Tzu

The art of war teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our position unassailable.
- Sun Tzu


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When the common soldiers are too strong and their officers too weak, the result is INSUBORDINATION. When the officers are too strong and the common soldiers too weak, the result is COLLAPSE. When the higher officers are angry and insubordinate, and on meeting the enemy give battle on their own account from a feeling of resentment, before the commander-in-chief can tell whether or no he is in a position to fight, the result is RUIN.
- Sun Tzu

The general who advances without coveting fame and retreats without fearing disgrace, whose only thought is to protect his country and do good service for his sovereign, is the jewel of the kingdom.
- Sun Tzu

Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys; look upon them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death. If, however, you are indulgent, but unable to make your authority felt; kind-hearted, but unable to enforce your commands; and incapable, moreover, of quelling disorder: then your soldiers must be likened to spoilt children; they are useless for any practical purpose.
- Sun Tzu

If we know that our own men are in a condition to attack, but are unaware that the enemy is not open to attack, we have gone only halfway towards victory. If we know that the enemy is open to attack, but are unaware that our own men are not in a condition to attack, we have gone only halfway towards victory. If we know that the enemy is open to attack, and also know that our men are in a condition to attack, but are unaware that the nature of the ground makes fighting impracticable, we have still gone only halfway towards victory.
- Sun Tzu

If you know the enemy and know yourself, your victory will not stand in doubt; if you know Heaven and know Earth, you may make your victory complete.
- Sun Tzu

On dispersive ground, therefore, fight not. On facile ground, halt not. On contentious ground, attack not. On open ground, do not try to block the enemy's way. On the ground of intersecting highways, join hands with your allies. On serious ground, gather in plunder. In difficult ground, keep steadily on the march. On hemmed-in ground, resort to stratagem. On desperate ground, fight.
- Sun Tzu

If asked how to cope with a great host of the enemy in orderly array and on the point of marching to the attack, I should say: "Begin by seizing something which your opponent holds dear; then he will be amenable to your will." Rapidity is the essence of war: take advantage of the enemy's unreadiness, make your way by unexpected routes, and attack unguarded spots.
- Sun Tzu

Throw your soldiers into positions whence there is no escape, and they will prefer death to flight. If they will face death, there is nothing they may not achieve.
- Sun Tzu

If our soldiers are not overburdened with money, it is not because they have a distaste for riches; if their lives are not unduly long, it is not because they are disinclined to longevity.
- Sun Tzu

Bestow rewards without regard to rule, issue orders without regard to previous arrangements; and you will be able to handle a whole army as though you had to do with but a single man.
- Sun Tzu

Unhappy is the fate of one who tries to win his battles and succeed in his attacks without cultivating the spirit of enterprise; for the result is waste of time and general stagnation. Hence the saying: The enlightened ruler lays his plans well ahead; the good general cultivates his resources.
- Sun Tzu

Move not unless you see an advantage; use not your troops unless there is something to be gained; fight not unless the position is critical. If it is to your advantage, make a forward move; if not, stay where you are. Anger may in time change to gladness; vexation may be succeeded by content.
- Sun Tzu

No leader should put troops into the field merely to gratify his own spleen; no leader should fight a battle simply out of pique. But a kingdom that has once been destroyed can never come again into being; nor can the dead ever be brought back to life. Hence the enlightened leader is heedful, and the good leader full of caution.
- Sun Tzu quotes

Spies cannot be usefully employed without a certain intuitive sagacity; (2) They cannot be properly managed without benevolence and straight forwardness; (3) Without subtle ingenuity of mind, one cannot make certain of the truth of their reports; (4) Be subtle! be subtle! and use your spies for every kind of warfare; (5) If a secret piece of news is divulged by a spy before the time is ripe, he must be put to death together with the man to whom the secret was told.
- Sun Tzu quotes

The enemy's spies who have come to spy on us must be sought out, tempted with bribes, led away and comfortably housed. Thus they will become double agents and available for our service. It is through the information brought by the double agent that we are able to acquire and employ local and inward spies. It is owing to his information, again, that we can cause the doomed spy to carry false tidings to the enemy.
- Sun Tzu quotes

"To capture the enemy's entire army is better than to destroy it; to take intact a regiment, a company, or a squad is better than to destroy them. For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the supreme of excellence. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the supreme excellence."
- Sun Tzu quotes


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AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
January 17 2012 06:25 GMT
#2
A wise man. Interestingly enough, his teachings could actually serve as inspiration for improving your sc2 as well.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
January 17 2012 06:28 GMT
#3
On January 17 2012 15:25 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
A wise man. Interestingly enough, his teachings could actually serve as inspiration for improving your sc2 as well.

Yea, I learned alot from reading the book. took me a while though.
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aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
January 17 2012 06:28 GMT
#4
On January 17 2012 15:25 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
A wise man. Interestingly enough, his teachings could actually serve as inspiration for improving your sc2 as well.

Not just in SC2, his teachings can be applied to most everything you do in life.
Wahaha
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
January 17 2012 06:37 GMT
#5
On January 17 2012 15:28 aike wrote:
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On January 17 2012 15:25 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
A wise man. Interestingly enough, his teachings could actually serve as inspiration for improving your sc2 as well.

Not just in SC2, his teachings can be applied to most everything you do in life.

Not saying that it isnt possible, but alot of people wont have enough common sense to apply any of this to their daily life. Sadly, most people are just to simple to understand.
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Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 06:55:22
January 17 2012 06:47 GMT
#6
This is cool, I am in the process of re-writing the Sun Tzu for my own purposes of SC2.

I will probably release it as a guide to TvT, as that is my most deep matchup and you can't POSSIBLY say 'imba' (which ofcourse there are tactics to be employed against a superior force ^^)

edit: I'm not going to edit it, but omfg did I actually call it the Sun Tzu?
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
January 17 2012 06:57 GMT
#7
On January 17 2012 15:47 Thaniri wrote:
This is cool, I am in the process of re-writing the Sun Tzu for my own purposes of SC2.

I will probably release it as a guide to TvT, as that is my most deep matchup and you can't POSSIBLY say 'imba' (which ofcourse there are tactics to be employed against a superior force ^^)

edit: I'm not going to edit it, but omfg did I actually call it the Sun Tzu?

;p
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surfinbird1
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany999 Posts
January 17 2012 09:43 GMT
#8
I remember reading "The Art of War" when I was twelve or so. The book totally blew my mind. I would recommend this book to anyone who has only the slightest interest in strategical thinking. If I remember correctly Bismarck wrote a German version of it in the 19th century and it is even employed nowadays in business and leadership classes. A timeless classic.
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zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 11:48:13
January 17 2012 11:46 GMT
#9
I never found the book to be as revolutionairy as some make it out to be.

It did help me a lot in elevating my understanding of ancient warfare from 2 armiest just throwing themselves at each other to the realization that many battles are already fought before armies clash.

I suppose you can read a lot deeper into it. There was a time that it was really popular in the business world. Some of it's rules are pretty universal, like only taking fights that you know you can win.
m3rciless
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1476 Posts
January 17 2012 15:41 GMT
#10
On January 17 2012 20:46 zalz wrote:
I never found the book to be as revolutionairy as some make it out to be.

It did help me a lot in elevating my understanding of ancient warfare from 2 armiest just throwing themselves at each other to the realization that many battles are already fought before armies clash.

I suppose you can read a lot deeper into it. There was a time that it was really popular in the business world. Some of it's rules are pretty universal, like only taking fights that you know you can win.



qft. You can read into it as much as you want, but it's basically a bunch of incredibly general and self-evident platitudes. I bought it because of the hype and put it down almost immediately.
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Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
January 17 2012 16:50 GMT
#11
On January 18 2012 00:41 m3rciless wrote:
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On January 17 2012 20:46 zalz wrote:
I never found the book to be as revolutionairy as some make it out to be.

It did help me a lot in elevating my understanding of ancient warfare from 2 armiest just throwing themselves at each other to the realization that many battles are already fought before armies clash.

I suppose you can read a lot deeper into it. There was a time that it was really popular in the business world. Some of it's rules are pretty universal, like only taking fights that you know you can win.



qft. You can read into it as much as you want, but it's basically a bunch of incredibly general and self-evident platitudes. I bought it because of the hype and put it down almost immediately.

Not saying that it isnt possible, but alot of people wont have enough common sense to apply any of this to their daily life. Sadly, most people are just to simple to understand.


^^ so you are one of these people?
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Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
January 17 2012 17:00 GMT
#12
On January 17 2012 15:37 AeroEffect wrote:
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On January 17 2012 15:28 aike wrote:
On January 17 2012 15:25 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
A wise man. Interestingly enough, his teachings could actually serve as inspiration for improving your sc2 as well.

Not just in SC2, his teachings can be applied to most everything you do in life.

Not saying that it isnt possible, but alot of people wont have enough common sense to apply any of this to their daily life. Sadly, most people are just to simple to understand.


Is this a joke?

The Art of War is not some epic, mindblowing text that has all the answers you seek in it. It's a book about admittedly basic military precepts and applied strategical thinking. Anyone who has studied military history in general will not find anything particularly revealing in it, and anyone with half a brain can easily pick out the most pertinent aspects of the text and apply it to daily ventures (business deals, etc etc).

I lol @ this elitist thought:
Sadly, most people are just to simple to understand
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 17:42:12
January 17 2012 17:40 GMT
#13
On January 18 2012 02:00 Elegy wrote:


I lol @ this elitist thought:
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Sadly, most people are just to simple to understand


He's mixing his Sun Tzu and Machiavelli!

500 years ago (not going to talk about today) most people did not understand politics or warfare and a good leader needed to understand that he should not depend on "trust" (or being 100% honorable) with the local population in order to secure power. A lot of people think that he was just being elitist or immoral, but The Prince is a predominantly scientific account of how rulers gain and lose power and is cited with historical examples.

Back to Sun Tzu-- I know they're just games, but the Total War series have always had fairly historically-accurate battles in them. If you're not sure about how this stuff actually applies to the classical, medieval, samurai, etc battlefields then just try it out for yourself in one of the games!
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
January 17 2012 17:48 GMT
#14
Sun Tzu is good. There's been a few guides that used him in StarCraft. I made an attempt to specifically link things he's said to StarCraft scenarios once:

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On March 13 2011 15:11 Chef wrote:
When I first started trying to get better at StarCraft, there weren't many good guides. There was Tsunami's Zerg guide and... That was about it. Everything else was pretty terrible. One thing that was extremely helpful for me though was The Art of War, by Sun Tzu. I even took screen shots from replays and captioned them with quotes to help me picture and inspire strategic play. I don't have those pictures anymore, but many years later I am a pretty competent StarCraft player. For fun, I am going to take quotes from the Art of War and apply them to StarCraft.

1 When able, feign inability.

A Protoss player is using Reaver/Corsair tactics. He sends his Corsairs to check if his Shuttle will be safe, then moves in for the attack. Zerg's Hydralisks suddenly unborrow and kill the Shuttle. The Zerg tricked the Protoss into thinking he was unable to defend, and gained both a morale victory and killed a valuable Protoss unit.

2 When deploying troops, appear not to be.

A Protoss player is making Carriers. His Carriers will be much more effective if the Terran is not expecting them, and so he places his StarGates and Fleet Beacon in a place that is unlikely to be scanned. He manages to accumulate four Carriers, and because the Terran was unaware, takes out many Tanks before Goliaths can be built to support them.

3 When near, appear far.

A Zerg burrows Lurkers just in front of his Sunkens and tells them not to attack. The Terran sets up his Tanks outside the range of the Sunkens with all of his Marines supporting them, thinking he has a solid, safe position. The Lurkers suddenly attack and the Terran army is melted because of the unexpected proximity of enemy units.

4 When far, appear near.

A Terran player plans for a very safe expansion. When his SCV finds the Zerg expanding at the Zerg natural, he builds a Bunker even though he knows that he does not plan to kill the Hatchery, and probably can't since he is so focused on economy. The Zerg, not knowing that the Terran has gone a fast expansion, pulls his Drones to take care of the false threat, thus losing mining time and defending a rush that was not ever coming. The Terran was far from being prepared to attack, but made the Zerg waste money defending by appearing nearly ready to attack.

5 Lure with bait. Strike with chaos.

A Protoss mining line looks virtually undefended and ripe for Mutalisk harass. The Zerg tries to engage it, but suddenly has his entire pack of Mutalisks Maelstromed and killed by an Archon, which were both staying out of Zerg sight in the middle of the base. The Zerg was set up to fail.

7 If the enemy is full, be prepared.

A Terran army has many tanks, vultures for backup, and is ready to move out. The Protoss begins researching Leg speed and making Zealots to prepare for his push.

8 If the enemy is strong, avoid him.

The Protoss ball is moving out in the mid-game and the Zerg has only a few groups of Lings and Hydra. The Zerg runs his forces away and begins building up his army and tech so that he can fight the enemy another time.

9 If the enemy is angry, disconcert him.

A player is upset by the power of psi storm against his Zerglings and complains that they are too strong and imbalanced. The Protoss player responds 'you dog micro come back when your mom.'

10 If the enemy is weak, stir him to pride.

The Protoss army is holed up in a defensive position in his main. The Zerg can't engage him there, and wants him to come out, so he places a very minimal amount of forces outside the Protoss base which can easily be scouted, and the rest of his army somewhere out of sight. The Protoss, thinking he is strong enough to kill the Zerg army, moves out. The Zerg brings in his hidden forces and crushes the Protoss army.

11 If the enemy is relaxed, hurry him.

The Zerg player is sitting on three bases, as happy as a little bee. Suddenly the Protoss takes the natural of a second main, threatening to have 4 bases very soon. The Zerg feels rushed and makes a sloppy decision to just attack the Protoss before this can happen, and he gets crushed.

12 If the enemy's men are harmonious, split them.

A Protoss player has his Dragoons in a nice line outside his natural, hoping an enemy will attack straight into them and his aggregate of attack will be strong in the fight. The enemy Protoss however attacks to the side of the Dragoon line, leaving several Dragoons not doing anything until ordered. His Dragoons were harmonious, but their effectiveness was split by coming in from the side.

13 Attack where he is unprepared.

A Terran player has his army in the middle of the map, ready to threaten the Protoss. Using recall, the Protoss gets a large number of forces in the Terran's main, far away from his defences.

14 Appear where you are unexpected.

A Protoss player drops three Zealots and a Dark Templar at the side of a Zerg base. He keeps the Dark Templar off to the side, and attacks with the three Zealots. Later, he used the shuttle to go to a different base. The Zerg, thinking the threat is now at his other base, hurries his units to defend it. At this time the Dark Templar in the first base moves to kill some Drones, to the Zerg's mind, as if by magic since the Zerg knows the Protoss cannot have another Shuttle yet.

15 Most spells victory, least spells defeat; none, surer defeat.

The bigger army wins. Macro is important. If you have more bases, you are ahead. If you have fewer, you are in trouble. Attack in places where your army is greater than his, retreat from places where the opposite is true.

16 One peck of enemy provisions, is worth 20 carried from home.

8 minerals stolen from the enemy base is worth 160 from your own base. Not really, but it makes some people mad (this quote would be more true if probes could eat minerals and become stronger, but sadly that feature doesn't come till StarCraft III).


Cheers! I hope this gets you thinking about the subtler aspects of StarCraft in an age where people focus a lot of their energy on macro efficiency.
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
January 17 2012 18:09 GMT
#15
Chef, that's brilliant! hahaha especially + Show Spoiler +
you micro dog come back when your mom


Also, wasn't there someone who wrote an amazing piece about some achieving balance or peace or some yin-yang stuff (I can't remember the precise word, dammit) in SC, some master teaching his apprentice and omg I must search right now
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Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
January 17 2012 19:14 GMT
#16
On January 18 2012 02:00 Elegy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 15:37 AeroEffect wrote:
On January 17 2012 15:28 aike wrote:
On January 17 2012 15:25 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
A wise man. Interestingly enough, his teachings could actually serve as inspiration for improving your sc2 as well.

Not just in SC2, his teachings can be applied to most everything you do in life.

Not saying that it isnt possible, but alot of people wont have enough common sense to apply any of this to their daily life. Sadly, most people are just to simple to understand.


Is this a joke?

The Art of War is not some epic, mindblowing text that has all the answers you seek in it. It's a book about admittedly basic military precepts and applied strategical thinking. Anyone who has studied military history in general will not find anything particularly revealing in it, and anyone with half a brain can easily pick out the most pertinent aspects of the text and apply it to daily ventures (business deals, etc etc).

I lol @ this elitist thought:
Show nested quote +
Sadly, most people are just to simple to understand

And where did these military concepts come from?
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Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
January 17 2012 19:53 GMT
#17
On January 18 2012 04:14 AeroEffect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 02:00 Elegy wrote:
On January 17 2012 15:37 AeroEffect wrote:
On January 17 2012 15:28 aike wrote:
On January 17 2012 15:25 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
A wise man. Interestingly enough, his teachings could actually serve as inspiration for improving your sc2 as well.

Not just in SC2, his teachings can be applied to most everything you do in life.

Not saying that it isnt possible, but alot of people wont have enough common sense to apply any of this to their daily life. Sadly, most people are just to simple to understand.


Is this a joke?

The Art of War is not some epic, mindblowing text that has all the answers you seek in it. It's a book about admittedly basic military precepts and applied strategical thinking. Anyone who has studied military history in general will not find anything particularly revealing in it, and anyone with half a brain can easily pick out the most pertinent aspects of the text and apply it to daily ventures (business deals, etc etc).

I lol @ this elitist thought:
Sadly, most people are just to simple to understand

And where did these military concepts comewr in from?


A Chinese military treatise did not invent those military concepts. Did it help codify established doctrine and introduce the art of war in more eloquent terms. Sure. There is a weird tendency for internet warriors and usually very young people to think the Art of War somehow invented the entirety of military doctrine, when even a cursory study of military campaigns predating Sun Tsu exemplify many of the stratagems discussed by him.

An important text to be sure, but Art of War fanatics act as if military strategy didn't exist before it.
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
January 18 2012 00:48 GMT
#18
On January 18 2012 04:53 Elegy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 04:14 AeroEffect wrote:
On January 18 2012 02:00 Elegy wrote:
On January 17 2012 15:37 AeroEffect wrote:
On January 17 2012 15:28 aike wrote:
On January 17 2012 15:25 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
A wise man. Interestingly enough, his teachings could actually serve as inspiration for improving your sc2 as well.

Not just in SC2, his teachings can be applied to most everything you do in life.

Not saying that it isnt possible, but alot of people wont have enough common sense to apply any of this to their daily life. Sadly, most people are just to simple to understand.


Is this a joke?

The Art of War is not some epic, mindblowing text that has all the answers you seek in it. It's a book about admittedly basic military precepts and applied strategical thinking. Anyone who has studied military history in general will not find anything particularly revealing in it, and anyone with half a brain can easily pick out the most pertinent aspects of the text and apply it to daily ventures (business deals, etc etc).

I lol @ this elitist thought:
Sadly, most people are just to simple to understand

And where did these military concepts comewr in from?


A Chinese military treatise did not invent those military concepts. Did it help codify established doctrine and introduce the art of war in more eloquent terms. Sure. There is a weird tendency for internet warriors and usually very young people to think the Art of War somehow invented the entirety of military doctrine, when even a cursory study of military campaigns predating Sun Tsu exemplify many of the stratagems discussed by him.

An important text to be sure, but Art of War fanatics act as if military strategy didn't exist before it.

I think I smell an anti-hipster trying to hate on someone who he believes is a hipster.. -_-
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Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
January 18 2012 00:58 GMT
#19
On January 17 2012 15:37 AeroEffect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 15:28 aike wrote:
On January 17 2012 15:25 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
A wise man. Interestingly enough, his teachings could actually serve as inspiration for improving your sc2 as well.

Not just in SC2, his teachings can be applied to most everything you do in life.

Sadly, most people are just to simple to understand.


sadly most people are too simple to understand the difference between too and to yet their thoughts linger on wasteful studies
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
January 18 2012 01:51 GMT
#20
On January 18 2012 04:53 Elegy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 04:14 AeroEffect wrote:
On January 18 2012 02:00 Elegy wrote:
On January 17 2012 15:37 AeroEffect wrote:
On January 17 2012 15:28 aike wrote:
On January 17 2012 15:25 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
A wise man. Interestingly enough, his teachings could actually serve as inspiration for improving your sc2 as well.

Not just in SC2, his teachings can be applied to most everything you do in life.

Not saying that it isnt possible, but alot of people wont have enough common sense to apply any of this to their daily life. Sadly, most people are just to simple to understand.


Is this a joke?

The Art of War is not some epic, mindblowing text that has all the answers you seek in it. It's a book about admittedly basic military precepts and applied strategical thinking. Anyone who has studied military history in general will not find anything particularly revealing in it, and anyone with half a brain can easily pick out the most pertinent aspects of the text and apply it to daily ventures (business deals, etc etc).

I lol @ this elitist thought:
Sadly, most people are just to simple to understand

And where did these military concepts comewr in from?


A Chinese military treatise did not invent those military concepts. Did it help codify established doctrine and introduce the art of war in more eloquent terms. Sure. There is a weird tendency for internet warriors and usually very young people to think the Art of War somehow invented the entirety of military doctrine, when even a cursory study of military campaigns predating Sun Tsu exemplify many of the stratagems discussed by him.

An important text to be sure, but Art of War fanatics act as if military strategy didn't exist before it.

Nobody thinks Sun Tzu invented strategy, calm down you nerd.

The book is very important not because it is revolutionary, but because it is a good survey of the Asian style of warfare which is in fact extremely different from the Western (or perhaps I should say American) style of warfare, which makes it necessary reading for American military men. America is all about big guns, big armies, crush the enemy in a standoff of might against might. Not all the time, but this is generally the thinking and you see it reflected in America's devotion to having superior military technology and a large budget. The Asian style of warfare is what you might call sneaky... Surprise attacks, ambushes, deceit and misdirection are all tactics employed by the Asian generals as a necessity. It is ironic considering the west thinking of Asian warfare thinks of the honourable samurai... but it's a very different kind of honour. It goes beyond armies and seeps into the public mind and diplomacy. If often think that StarCraft players from the west are some of the few people who truly appreciate this kind of warfare (even if there is nothing nice about war, there is an incredible battle of minds in games like Brood War and Go). Even Chess is really a game of honour and power in a way that doesn't think of these tactics.
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