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mAgixWTF
Germany103 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
I've never been to the really expensive sushi shops in Tokyo, but the really good ones (Jiro and Saito are both Michelin 3 stars) cost upwards of 30,000 JPY for dinner. These shops are usually located very close to Tsukiji so that the fish is just as fresh, but they put a lot more care into their rice, techniques, and presentation. This is a good link imo: Oh well shit. Michelin star restaurants are just something you go to maybe once in your entire lifetime. As in, you go to a Michelin rated restaurant just once or twice a lifetime, much less trying multiple ones. A lot of them have over 2 year long waiting lists (el bulli). I went to Lasarte in Barcelona. Absolutely amazing. Still, I have no idea how sushi can be that unique. The food at the Michelin I went to - the flavores, the textures, it was absolutely insane. I've never had anything, from things like ice cream to even $100 meals (michelin restaurants cost about $200 per meal for a person), that came anywhere remotely close to flavor and taste and texture as michelin food. They had such complicated things, like a tiny, complicated grape sized 'thing' that apparently was fish and it tasted like candy and was just... It's literally impossible to describe that kind of food. It made restaurants that I've been to that were $100+ plus, upscale steakhouses, look like mcdonalds. I suppose you'll have to try. I'm sure it'll be absolutely mindblowing, but I'm sure it'll still taste remotely like sushi. The stuff I had... man, I have no idea what it was, even when I did. It was just so damn complex. Even the $30 wine we had... I've never had finer stuff, it was like... like grey goose vs aristocrat, but even more so. fyi this is sannakjji, it is actually is served live (san = living, nakji = octopus) fyi, it's called that because it's part of the meal to make it look alive. It is not actually alive... http://toddcarothers.com/2011/07/food-fun-dead-octopus-comes-alive/ I mean, soy sauce can cause things to come back to life. Sprinkle it on your grandmother, and nanny is back to cooking those amazing pies for thanksgiving! | ||
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polishedturd
United States505 Posts
On January 02 2012 20:13 Belial88 wrote:fyi, it's called that because it's part of the meal to make it look alive. It is not actually alive... http://toddcarothers.com/2011/07/food-fun-dead-octopus-comes-alive/ that isn't sanakji, (its not even korean lol...you can tell by the bowl the miso soup is in). the meal I was referring to (as well as the one tasteless was eating in the video you mentioned) is a korean dish that is definitely live octopus that isn't even eaten with soy sauce, as well as being prepared in front of you a lot of time (i.e. live baby octopus is pulled out of a fish tank and then cut up). | ||
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hns
Germany609 Posts
On January 02 2012 20:13 Belial88 wrote: Oh well shit. Michelin star restaurants are just something you go to maybe once in your entire lifetime. As in, you go to a Michelin rated restaurant just once or twice a lifetime, much less trying multiple ones. A lot of them have over 2 year long waiting lists (el bulli). I went to Lasarte in Barcelona. Absolutely amazing. Still, I have no idea how sushi can be that unique. The food at the Michelin I went to - the flavores, the textures, it was absolutely insane. I've never had anything, from things like ice cream to even $100 meals (michelin restaurants cost about $200 per meal for a person), that came anywhere remotely close to flavor and taste and texture as michelin food. They had such complicated things, like a tiny, complicated grape sized 'thing' that apparently was fish and it tasted like candy and was just... It's literally impossible to describe that kind of food. It made restaurants that I've been to that were $100+ plus, upscale steakhouses, look like mcdonalds. I suppose you'll have to try. I'm sure it'll be absolutely mindblowing, but I'm sure it'll still taste remotely like sushi. The stuff I had... man, I have no idea what it was, even when I did. It was just so damn complex. Even the $30 wine we had... I've never had finer stuff, it was like... like grey goose vs aristocrat, but even more so. I agree and I want to emphasize that everyone who remotely likes good food should really think about saving some money and going to a restaurant which was awarded at least one Michelin star. It is really worth it. Of course it is expensive, but one has to remember that the _really_ big names are so much more expensive than other, less known but equalliy rated, restaurants; which means that one possibilty to save some money is just not visit the guys who are the best-known. Also, it really pays off to check whether there are special offers for lunch instead of dinner. I tend to visit a 3 star restaurant in France from time to time, which offers a really reasonably priced menu for lunch, while the quality and creativity of the food surprises and overwhelms me each time again. I just checked the homepage, I'm talking about 135€ for a menu with 8 parts here (not counting the ones which are not listed like the Amuse-Gueule or several smaller things in between). | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
2 star: Tempura Kondo http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=150331 1 star: Gordon Rammsay http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=298437 My reviews for Quintessence (3 stars) and Sant Pau (2 stars) should be coming pretty soon  | ||
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Strike_
Netherlands704 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
that isn't sanakji, (its not even korean lol...you can tell by the bowl the miso soup is in). the meal I was referring to (as well as the one tasteless was eating in the video you mentioned) is a korean dish that is definitely live octopus that isn't even eaten with soy sauce, as well as being prepared in front of you a lot of time (i.e. live baby octopus is pulled out of a fish tank and then cut up). It's essentially the same thing going on.. soy sauce makes dead octopi kick around. I believe the korean dish you are referring to also is actually chopped up bits of octopus arms. Because you know, octopus arms are live on their own. Sometimes I cut off my own limbs so they can go get the groceries. Just put some soy sauce on them. Yes, it is live and fresh 5 minutes before you eat it. Then it dies, then you eat it with soy sauce or similar salt on it to cause the muscles to spaz out. Please. Some Michelin *'d restaurants that I had posted on TL:......... I love you, your posts are so cool. i travel a lot, been to morocco, stories of beating up pickpockets, adventure, corrupt cops, good food, harajuku, that kind of stuff, so i can really relate to a lot of your stuff. but damn i thought i ate well and made sure to go to only good restaurants, but fucking that many michelin. you fucker. | ||
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koreasilver
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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
Thanks for the blog! | ||
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hns
Germany609 Posts
On January 03 2012 02:01 Belial88 wrote: ]I love you, your posts are so cool. i travel a lot, been to morocco, stories of beating up pickpockets, adventure, corrupt cops, good food, harajuku, that kind of stuff, so i can really relate to a lot of your stuff. but damn i thought i ate well and made sure to go to only good restaurants, but fucking that many michelin. you fucker. Honestly, that's just a question of how a) much you value good food and b) how much money you have. I don't even know in how many starred restaurants I've been, but I've grown up with good food and the attitude that good food is something which is worth spending money on. Might also be a question of Europe/USA though; I don't know exactly how rare/valued the starred restaurants are in the USA. Of course, in France, they are much more common. | ||
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Detri
United Kingdom683 Posts
Looks absolutely delicious. | ||
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Mawi
Sweden4365 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On January 03 2012 05:00 Mawi wrote: I must try that dish.... never tried sushi in my life seems like its about time to do it! Man, You've been missing out one of best food in the world. To OP: Nice blog, made me regret I didn't go to the place last time I was in Japan... | ||
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polishedturd
United States505 Posts
On January 03 2012 02:01 Belial88 wrote: It's essentially the same thing going on.. soy sauce makes dead octopi kick around. I believe the korean dish you are referring to also is actually chopped up bits of octopus arms. Because you know, octopus arms are live on their own. Sometimes I cut off my own limbs so they can go get the groceries. Just put some soy sauce on them. Yes, it is live and fresh 5 minutes before you eat it. Then it dies, then you eat it with soy sauce or similar salt on it to cause the muscles to spaz out. Please. ....you don't eat it with soy sauce, as I already said. or anything with salt in it. it's eaten with sesame oil/seeds. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On January 01 2012 23:01 Belial88 wrote: Ive been to Tsukiji before. That place is awesome. Have you been to the area where they chop up the fish? Normally, tourists aren't allowed in there, but there's not anyone stopping you from just walking in. The coolest thing is seeing them huge mansized fish with fucking swords. I didn't go to the place you are talking about, instead I went to the smaller places, and went to like 5 different ones and tried something different at each one. Tsukiji is the freshest sushi ever, I don't know how anyone could see there is better sushi anywhere else. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but I've worked in a sushi restaurant and besides fancy sushi pieces, there isn't much to it as long as you know how to cut fresh fish, and most importantly, have fresh fish. My favorite blogpost ever though! Brings back memories. By the way, sounds kind of expensive where you were :O. I know exactly the place you were talking about, long line, but I find sushi to generally be cheap if you find the right place. I suppose the exquisite pieces you had just racked it up, I know the place you were at is also a bit more fancy. A lot of those sushi-row restaurants are the size of a bathroom, have a sushi bar, and are meant to be cheap lunch for the fishermen to get during break or coming back from the sea. But god damn the best sushi I had was there. I dont get why you said that thing about better sushi elsewhere. I kinda feel sad for the clam. Just think about the pain it must have been feeling, considering how it was served and prepared and such. The clam is already dead. Things still move after death, due to residual chemicals in the muscles left over. Also, certain salts can cause muscles to spaz around - I don't know if it's the case with that clam, but it's possible the chef put soy sauce on it to get it kicking. If you saw the video of the octopus that dances around 'live octopus', or the video of tasteless eating moving octopus, it was actually long dead, but the soy sauce causes it to spaz out. And seriously. You feel sad for the clam? Really? Are you sad anytime like, fish eat clams? whatever, OT. Well since it's dead, that's fine. But imagine this: you are a mass of crudely shaped muscle and organs attached to a hard shell. You then have your shell ripped off you, no doubt tearing a good bit of flesh with it. Then you are subjected to the unrelentingly dry air you are unfamiliar to. After that, you are possibly subjected to seasoning and extremely salty condiments. Finally, you are stabbed through your entire body by 4 massive metal spikes and then chewed to bits. That's the kind of pain that should inspire pity in anyone. Anyways, it was dead, and that was Japan, so no metal spikes I'm guessing. | ||
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LastDance
New Zealand510 Posts
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On January 02 2012 15:29 gosuMalicE wrote: ~$170 for 2 people to eat isn't that expensive. Stop with the overreacting, I've spent way more then that on a meal. It is for a lot of people. Only once in my life have I spent close to $80 for a meal (for the record, it was inferior to most cheap restaurants' food), and that was a rare exception I was pressured into. I think the majority of people have never spent close to that amount on a single meal, and I never would have wanted to do it myself. It's not an overreaction. I think excluding that one time, my most expensive meal at a restaurant was $30. | ||
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hns
Germany609 Posts
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gosuMalicE
Canada676 Posts
On January 03 2012 21:31 Chocobo wrote: It is for a lot of people. Only once in my life have I spent close to $80 for a meal (for the record, it was inferior to most cheap restaurants' food), and that was a rare exception I was pressured into. I think the majority of people have never spent close to that amount on a single meal, and I never would have wanted to do it myself. It's not an overreaction. I think excluding that one time, my most expensive meal at a restaurant was $30. Well then you must be incredibly young, or you never eat out anywhere that isn't fast food because that seems impossible otherwise. Take any decent sit down restaurant, you are paying $15-30 per person for appetizers. drinks are like $5+ each so each person has a $15-20 drink tab, main course will run between $30-80 per person, desert is another $15-20. It all adds up. | ||
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