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So, reading comments from all the angry korean netizens, all the angry korean sc2 "true" pro-gamers and all the angry korean news sites, was I the only one to remember one very "honorable" moment of starcraft history?
It's 2007. First day of WCG. I know, as last week shew, WCG is a disgrace now. However, back then, it was the best we got. It was the most prestigious tournament for foreigners and the only tournament (not counting blizzcon) outside of Asia where top Koreans participated regularly. I'd say the tournament was more important to foreign community than any of MLGs, DHs, IEMs nowadays, because it happened only once a year and there were no other big tournaments like that (maybe Dreamhack came close). One tournament, one chance, one opportunity to fight Koreans (and most of the times fail miserably).
The tournament structure was kinda similar to one we saw this year. There were 8 groups, 4 players, 2 of them advanced to ro16, which was bo3 (including finals), single elimination. The ro16 pairing was A1 vs H2 and so on.
Every year, Koreans hoped not to face each other before semifinals, not only because considering themselves - rightfully - as top3 players of the tournament no matter who they face.
This year they got unlucky. Winning their groups, Stork and Hwasin were supposed to meet in ro8.
However, as in few previous tournaments, they decided to do something about it. Stork needed to finish the group on 2nd place so he threw his game against white-ra. White-ra then lost the last game in group to russian player EX, creating a tie-break situation, everyone was 3-1. Did white-ra throw his game as well as a protest against poor Stork's sportmanship? Who knows.
Then the tie-breakers came. Stork vs white-ra was the first game to be played. Stork threw the game AGAIN, even more obviously than the first time. Second game Stork played against EX and beat him. In the third game white-ra played against EX. If their original group game was questionable, this one without a doubt wasn't. White-ra let EX take the win because he simply didn't like the way Koeans are trying to fix the tournament. That meant another tie-breaker.
Second tie-breaker was the exact copy of the first one.
In the third tie-breaker, Stork probably realized this strategy wouldn't work out (also, it was 11pm) and won both games. White-ra won against EX and advanced from second place.
Ironically enough, Stork went on to win the tournament, not dropping a single game against Hwasin, Mondragon and PJ (who beat Savior) in finals. White-ra finished 4th.
But to get to a little agressive name of this blog. A true Korean progamer, representing his team and his country was throwing games on purpose trying to fix the tournament bracket.
Was there a reaction from Stork's team? No.
Was there a reaction from WCG? No.
Was there a reaction from KESPA? No.
Was there an outrage among korean netizens? Most likely not.
It was obviously discussed here on TL. People were mostly finding it pathetic, on the other hand though, they understood it. The tournament format was simply terrible.
here's the LR thread at the start of controversy - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=60363¤tpage=25
few last pages are also interesting.
 
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But you can't be 1000000% sure it was a thrown game and he didn't admit it so it doesn't count!!!
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does this behavior really surprise anyone?
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On December 15 2011 07:01 Skilledblob wrote:
does this behavior really surprise anyone?
The information in the blog or the fact that angry people are making constant new blogs and posts about hypocrisy bla bla bla and really just forming more of a wedge between the community without any attempt to move on?
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I'm sorry, are you saying Koreans don't take thrown games seriously?
... have you ever heard of this ex-progamer named Savior before? ... are you kidding me? Though Savior did it for money, the reason he was crucified on the stake is because he threw games.
And Stork played a full game. If he had 5-probe-rushed, I guarantee that the Korean community would have been pissed as hell. Plus you really don't have any proof that he DID throw the games.
Essentially if Naniwa had played a shitty game VS Nestea, none of this would have mattered. The fact that he openly showed his disrespect to his opponent is what I think the GOM people cared about.
Let's try not to be so racist in the thread and OP, okay?
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It's blatant hypocrisy, everybody knows that, not everyone is willing to accept that though.
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I don't see why both sides can't be at fault. GSL needs to fix their format, Nani needs to fix his attitude.
As for netizens... why does it matter, exactly? I find myself caring less and less about what TL or Reddit or the Koreans at their sites think. As the scene grows larger there are more people willing to speak their mind even though they're talking bullshit. That's just how it is. There's a whole bunch of hypocrisy in real sports, simply because people aren't quite introspective enough.
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you dont even bother to consider the savior incident that post-dated the alleged incidents in the 2007 WCG. standards changed based on circumstances. the match fixing scandal rocked the starcraft scene, and recent developments have shown what a huge impact it has made on the scene (e.g., Coca and now Naniwa).
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Why are these even allowed to stay open.
User was warned for this post
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On December 15 2011 07:09 Keone wrote:
I'm sorry, are you saying Koreans don't take thrown games seriously?
... have you ever heard of this ex-progamer named Savior before? ... are you kidding me? Though Savior did it for money, the reason he was crucified on the stake is because he threw games.
And Stork played a full game. If he had 5-probe-rushed, I guarantee that the Korean community would have been pissed as hell. Plus you really don't have any proof that he DID throw the games.
Essentially if Naniwa had played a shitty game VS Nestea, none of this would have mattered. The fact that he openly showed his disrespect to his opponent is what I think the GOM people cared about.
Let's try not to be so racist in the thread and OP, okay?
Yup, it's totally different, and ppl don't seem notice.
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Yes, I remember this. Stork clearly wanted to "arrange" a korean top3.
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On December 15 2011 07:10 Redmark wrote:
As for netizens... why does it matter, exactly? I find myself caring less and less about what TL or Reddit or the Koreans at their sites think. As the scene grows larger there are more people willing to speak their mind even though they're talking bullshit. That's just how it is. There's a whole bunch of hypocrisy in real sports, simply because people aren't quite introspective enough.
It does matter a lot in starcraft world. Had there not been such an overreaction, I'm sure GOM would have ignored it.
On December 15 2011 07:10 dAPhREAk wrote:
you dont even bother to consider the savior incident that post-dated the alleged incidents in the 2007 WCG. standards changed based on circumstances. the match fixing scandal rocked the starcraft scene, and recent developments have shown what a huge impact it has made on the scene (e.g., Coca and now Naniwa).
Yep, that's a valid point. It can be discussed if it really changed that much.
On December 15 2011 07:09 Keone wrote:
... have you ever heard of this ex-progamer named Savior before? ... are you kidding me? Though Savior did it for money, the reason he was crucified on the stake is because he threw games.
And Stork played a full game. If he had 5-probe-rushed, I guarantee that the Korean community would have been pissed as hell. Plus you really don't have any proof that he DID throw the games.
Essentially if Naniwa had played a shitty game VS Nestea, none of this would have mattered. The fact that he openly showed his disrespect to his opponent is what I think the GOM people cared about.
Let's try not to be so racist in the thread and OP, okay?
No, I obviously joined this site in 2011 and am making this all up.
In my opinion, there's no fucking difference in pretending to not throw a game but throw it anyway and just rubbing it in everyone's face like naniwa did. The point is the same. You threw the game.
And I'm not racist, nor hating on any country. Do you think I'd be fan of starcraft if I didn't like Korea(ns)?!
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I remember this, and it's just as dumb as what happened here.
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koreans always come accross as double standards as muhc as we want foreigners to win... in reality Koreans want us to fail...
Noone knows if MC actually fully tried to knock stephano out that is another way this tournament sucks that players already through can still determine in such situations. Anyway this happens in EVERY sport i know from playing pool semi pro some of the shit and corrupt things that happened for money :D
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i read through that old thread from 2007. if its true, fuck stork. he was always my favorite sc1 protoss; not anymore.
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White-ra never fails to impress.
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Difference is Stork actually tried to play the games. Albeit doing dumb things, but at least he put on a performance. Naniwa did no such thing. This is the typical westerner individualized selfish way of looking at things. GOMTV is running an entertainment company. In no such way should such a thing be tolerated.
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I thought the old WCG theory was that koreans tried not to get matched against other koreans in BW because they knew they might lose if they did. Koreans in BW were worlds above foreigners. That's why they used to throw games. Like if flash, jaedong, and bisu went to wcg, flash would throw a game hoping jaedong or bisu would eliminate each other and flash could face the winer.
You're basically saying the opposite: that they want to face each other. :~
Anyways it's been said before... the entire idea of knowing who you will play if you beat someone is just stupid.
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I just gained a ton more respect for White-Ra 
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On December 15 2011 07:37 vnlegend wrote:
Difference is Stork actually tried to play the games. Albeit doing dumb things, but at least he put on a performance. Naniwa did no such thing. This is the typical westerner individualized selfish way of looking at things. GOMTV is running an entertainment company. In no such way should such a thing be tolerated.
I guess it depends on your point of view. As I wrote earlier, it makes no difference to me if tries to hide it or not. And I could even say it's good that he's honest about it (but i don't really care..cannon rush or worker rush, the point stays the same)
On December 15 2011 07:37 obesechicken13 wrote:
I thought the old WCG theory was that koreans tried not to get matched against other koreans in BW because they knew they might lose if they did. Koreans in BW were worlds above foreigners. That's why they used to throw games.
You're basically saying the opposite: that they want to face each other. :~
what?
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