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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
December 15 2011 03:13 GMT
#41
On December 15 2011 11:00 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
...This kind of argument was already made, there's clearly a difference because there was a strategic benefit to losing the game for further performance in the tournament, whereas that clearly was not the case in the Blizzard Cup.


Yes so let's penalize the person whose actions had no negative consequence more severely? No, that doesn't make sense.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 15 2011 03:40 GMT
#42
Sorry, this is not the same exact situation naniwa was in. Double standards do exist, but a korean in the same position as naniwa would have received the same or more severe punihsment.

It's like saying people are hypocrites if they eat meat and say they love animals when they could sustain themselves perfectly fine off vegetables/fruit. Was it okay in your said situation? No, but they are under different circumstances and different mindsets. This has absolutely nothing to do with race and it makes foreigners look bad when you try to play the race card. Mr. Chae has done everything possible to make SC2 a global esport, and he gave the spots to foreigners. This is just plain fanboyism not accepting what naniwa did was wrong.
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
December 15 2011 04:02 GMT
#43
I don't think its the same situation...
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uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
December 15 2011 05:34 GMT
#44
On December 15 2011 12:13 Jonoman92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 11:00 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
...This kind of argument was already made, there's clearly a difference because there was a strategic benefit to losing the game for further performance in the tournament, whereas that clearly was not the case in the Blizzard Cup.


Yes so let's penalize the person whose actions had no negative consequence more severely? No, that doesn't make sense.
Not sure how people don't understand this, naniwa didn't change anything in the tournament other then hurt some oversensitive feelings. Stork did his best to bend the brackets in his favor by clearly throwing multiple matches, and hes a hero.
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ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
December 15 2011 09:31 GMT
#45
On December 15 2011 12:07 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
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On December 15 2011 11:00 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
...This kind of argument was already made, there's clearly a difference because there was a strategic benefit to losing the game for further performance in the tournament, whereas that clearly was not the case in the Blizzard Cup.

Yea these threads are ridiculous. There is a clear difference between throwing a game so the clearly superior players can compete in the finals vs some scrub played poorly so he gets throws games out of poor sportsmanship.

Yes, there is a big difference, throwing games to fix the tournament is much worse.
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
December 15 2011 12:21 GMT
#46
This isn't even the only time this has happened... it seems tolerated to collude games when it's Koreans together doing it or teammates doing it. And it's much much worse than blatantly forfeiting a game.

The hypocritical part is simply pre-arranging matches, in any form. It doesn't matter if it's a different situation. There's all this faux-outrage from Korean pro's which in my opinion is complete bullshit and they would happily collude results to split prize money or ensure progression in tournaments for people if needed. People like MC are making a huge deal out of a result being pre-determined by a player when there's a history of pre-determining matches with some of the complainers like MVP/Nestea even suspected. Least Naniwa isn't being intentionally deceiving for his own benefit, which is much worse.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 12:31:31
December 15 2011 12:29 GMT
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