EPTNestea vs Naniwa Korean Twitterstorm - Page 26
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:34 Pehrfect wrote: Or we're just slightly more rational than everyone else  I have to agree with Tylers tweet. Some people seem to think that "if he had atleast done a proxy 10 Gate, it would be okay". In my mind that makes no difference. That's just enjoying the illusion of competition. Naniwa just took things to their logical conclusion. Yeah, go figure it's the swedish fans who would side with naniwa, who just by coincidence happens to be from sweden. I'm just gonna take the benefit of the doubt and say that not all swedish people would do something as retarded as this in naniwa's situation. Never could I imagine morrow or thorzain doing that. They would be happy to just play a game for their fans against the best players even if they had no chance of winning the group. | ||
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Ponchey
Sweden89 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:35 Sif_ wrote: naniwas attitude was ridiculous. what a spoiled kid. EVERYONE wanted to be on that tournament, on his spot. and he takes it and gets owned and then throws away a game? i wanna see him CRUSHED in code s! MAKE IT HAPPEN KOREANS I guess you're trolling, since you claim that Naniwa was "owned" in his first three games. | ||
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Waterflow
Sweden1550 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:34 elt wrote: Oh shit, I completely misread your post sorry -.-;; Now I look like a dumbass... lol how can you even compared that with this? They agreed upon rigging the match VS NaNiwa pulled some probes and gg'd on a pointless match. You are fucking dumb dude. User was warned for this post | ||
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
I think it's also really sad many people here replied things such as "fuck esports mainstream bullshit", or "are you mad?" (to those who frown upon Naniwa's actions) and supporting Naniwa's actions in the most cliche "he's so badass, i am so counter-culture for supporting him"-attitude. I for one really enjoying each and every game, even when not much is on the line, because when I watch the GSL, i usually know for a fact that players do try even when nothing much is on the line. Like MC fighting his little heart out against DRG even though he would have gone through either way. Also, what naniwa did can't be compared to the actions of Coca, because it was completely on his own will, he didn't consult with Nestea about throwing the match, etc, it was the spur of the moment stupid decision, nonetheless still a decision in very unprofessional and poor taste. This game is a competitive professional game, and it really does matter, I can't believe some people would argue that it's ok to do an action such as this. Would Nadal and Federer just double-fault all day in a exhibition match just to get it over with because it doesn't matter of the results? No, because professional competitive sports/games is about performance for the fans as well, you go in with the dignity of acknowledging that, many foreigners don't have as much respect for starcraft on the same level because of their ignorance of how Koreans percieve coompetitive gaming as a whole. The international scene may have more money, but it's clear from the responses of many people here that the prestige and essence of the game still lies in Korea where the game intrinsically matters more than just a few groups of cliche highschool kids going "u mad? lolololol". | ||
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muffinsssss
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Mantraz
Norway119 Posts
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:37 Waterflow wrote: lol how can you even compared that with this? They agreed upon rigging the match VS NaNiwa pulled some probes and gg'd on a pointless match. You are fucking dumb dude. They both threw the match. Both matches were pointless. I don't see where you're coming from. It's the same thing. It's throwing a game. | ||
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Waterflow
Sweden1550 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:37 Itsmedudeman wrote: Yeah, go figure it's the swedish fans who would side with naniwa, who just by coincidence happens to be from sweden. I'm just gonna take the benefit of the doubt and say that not all swedish people would do something as retarded as this in naniwa's situation. Never could I imagine morrow or thorzain doing that. They would be happy to just play a game for their fans against the best players even if they had no chance of winning the group. Same as americans would defend IdrA's behaviour i guess. IdrA calling people he meet on ladder "shit, crap, worthless, fucking this, fucking that" God knows what he says about progamers behind their backs. | ||
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Presidenten
Sweden777 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:31 lovekr wrote: So its ok for naniwa to behave anyway he likes disrespecting alot of people until his stupidity lose Quantic its sponsors, startale no longer want to provide space for sase to practice and esports falls ever more downwards in terns of respect? shame on all these people upset by his action they should wise up! lol how could naniwa get sase kicked out of the startale house at all? and especially, by just forfeiting games? listen to yourself... Plus, sase isn't in the ST-house right now, naniwa himself is though... | ||
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BadgerBadger8264
Netherlands409 Posts
Or we're just slightly more rational than everyone else I have to agree with Tylers tweet. Some people seem to think that "if he had atleast done a proxy 10 Gate, it would be okay". In my mind that makes no difference. That's just enjoying the illusion of competition. Naniwa just took things to their logical conclusion. While some people are definitely overreacting, if this kind of attitude becomes common in starcraft a lot of games would become very boring. A lot of matches are played "just for show" instead of for money and this attitude hurts all those games. What he did is in no way good for starcraft or the GSL. By worker rushing he flat out disrespected his fans. Does that mean he should lose his tournament spot? No. Does that mean he deserves all the hate he's getting? No. Does that mean he should seriously work on his attitude because it's really hurting his image? Hell yes. Just because someone does something right (occasionally plays entertaining games) does not mean he should be immediately excused of everything bad he does. People gave Stephano a lot of flack for that Complexity business because he was simply acting unprofessional, the same happened with IdrA when he was BMing everyone; just like they're giving Naniwa a lot of flack for acting unprofessional now. It's very justified. | ||
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Waterflow
Sweden1550 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:40 Femari wrote: They both threw the match. Both matches were pointless. I don't see where you're coming from. It's the same thing. It's throwing a game. CoCa threw the game in favour of Byun to get Code A status or what it was. NaNiwa just threw the game because it was pointless and it didn't favour nestea eighter because he was already out aswell. | ||
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Ponchey
Sweden89 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:38 MildSeven wrote: Understanding this from the Korean perspective, what Naniwa did was absolutely taboo, because of the long Korean tradition and emphasis on trying your best even when it didn't affect results. Consider this, what would Boxer or NaDa do, look at HerO as well, trying his hardest even though he ended up 0-4 anyways. I personally can understand the rationale behind Naniwa's move, but if we look at this from a broader scope of what Esports means to the Korean culture, what the integrity of each game is to them, then this is more serious than it seems. Well, that was still different, because even if it didn't matter to Hero, it mattered for his opponent and for the competition as a whole. | ||
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mcmartini
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Presidenten
Sweden777 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:40 Femari wrote: They both threw the match. Both matches were pointless. I don't see where you're coming from. It's the same thing. It's throwing a game. jesus maria.... byun vs coca was not pointless coz it could lead to a code a/s (dont know which) spot, and nani vs nestea on the other hand was completely and utterly pointless | ||
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Waterflow
Sweden1550 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:42 Presidenten wrote: jesus maria.... byun vs coca was not pointless coz it could lead to a code a/s (dont know which) spot, and nani vs nestea on the other hand was completely and utterly pointless exactly. | ||
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ForTheDr3am
842 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:42 Ponchey wrote: Well, that was still different, because even if it didn't matter to Hero, it mattered for his opponent and for the competition as a whole. I didn't see people crying when Hero went Nexus first against MC, which has about as much of a chance winning as workerrushing. | ||
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Pehrfect
Sweden13 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:38 muffinsssss wrote: It's a pro players job to always try and provide entertaining games. Just because the game doesn't affect the outcome of this single tournament doesn't mean there shouldn't be repercussions to his actions. Naniwa doesn't give a shit about his fans, or really anyone else besides himself. I personally wouldn't ever rage about something like this, but the fact that he still has fan boys is hilarious. I'd say it's the pro players job to try to perform well in tournaments. Some people just want to watch good play, no need to play "entertaining games". | ||
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:38 MildSeven wrote: Understanding this from the Korean perspective, what Naniwa did was absolutely taboo, because of the long Korean tradition and emphasis on trying your best even when it didn't affect results. Consider this, what would Boxer or NaDa do, look at HerO as well, trying his hardest even though he ended up 0-4 anyways. I personally can understand the rationale behind Naniwa's move, but if we look at this from a broader scope of what Esports means to the Korean culture, what the integrity of each game is to them, then this is more serious than it seems. I think it's also really sad many people here replied things such as "fuck esports mainstream bullshit", or "are you mad?" (to those who frown upon Naniwa's actions) and supporting Naniwa's actions in the most cliche "he's so badass, i am so counter-culture for supporting him"-attitude. I for one really enjoying each and every game, even when not much is on the line, because when I watch the GSL, i usually know for a fact that players do try even when nothing much is on the line. Like MC fighting his little heart out against DRG even though he would have gone through either way. Beyond this, It's silly to argue with fanboys for naniwa, just like it was silly to argue with any other fanboy to see things rationally. But aside from that, there is a standard for professionalism. And it's a standard that in general, koreans take very very seriously. It's something I wish we took as seriously. All the people defending such actions...I don't understand. That doesn't mean anyone should really go out of their way just to badmouth someone ever, but to defend his actions and behavior either shows a lot of willful blindness, or a completely different view on how "serious" and legitimate esports is trying to be. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:40 Presidenten wrote: lol how could naniwa get sase kicked out of the startale house at all? and especially, by just forfeiting games? listen to yourself... Plus, sase isn't in the ST-house right now, naniwa himself is though... Throwing games brings a bad image and they could end a partnership due to image issues. You have to look good for sponsors. | ||
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sadface. Pffff.. grow the F up. The game was pointless. They can meet again when it actually matters. Quit being a melodramatic baby.
