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Nestea will have to wait for a game that matters.
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From Naniwa's interview:
'So if you suffer a bad loss in the groups early on, do you think you can bounce back?
It doesn't matter to me in other games if I win or lose the previous match, I just treat each match like it's the same thing, and give it my best.'
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294009
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That does nothing to defend Naniwa you realize. It just says "It's nothing new others do it too, most people just aren't that stupid to blatantly throw a game."
And even if more people do it it shouldn't be tolerated. You throw a game you should be punished for it. Naniwa shouldn't be crucified but there should be repercussions for it.
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On December 13 2011 23:20 DarK[A] wrote:
I can't respect a player who just gives up, even when no advancement or prize money is on the line.
You know what my thrown-together volleyball teams record was this past season? 1-32. We won ONE game out of the 33 games we played (11 matches, three games per match.. the one game was against one of the bad teams, too). We showed up most weeks and had to play against kids fresh out of college who had played Division II/III volleyball. Every time we lost the first two games (thus losing the match) did we just stand there and let them serve it out? When we couldn't possibly make the playoffs anymore, did we just not show up to games? No, we showed up and played hard.
It doesn't even have to be a "traditional" sport. When I played CS and Quake competitively, you never saw players just throw games like this... especially not at a high level. When you get spawn killed a bunch of times in a row in Quake and you're all of a sudden down 10-0... do you just AFK or quit the game? No, you try to not get shut out. I remember one CS match we lost the first half like 12-3 or 11-4. We were devastated because we felt like that was our stronger side. But we collected ourselves in the FAR LESS THAN 10 minutes we got, and ended up coming back to tie it and win it in overtime. Did the match matter? Were we going to the playoffs? No. We just didn't want to be remembered as quitters.
I have so much respect for NesTea if that tweet is true. Such dedication to the game and to his career, only to have NaNiWa say "eh, I don't feel like playing right now".
awwwwwwww  sadface. Pffff.. grow the F up. The game was pointless. They can meet again when it actually matters. Quit being a melodramatic baby.
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As a competitor it made NO sense for Naniwa to play his game vs Nestea in a straight up fashion. He had no chance to advance so if he played that game as hard as he could with the intent to win the only thing he would accomplish is let his future opponents have more information about his play.
No it wasn't exciting, but Naniwa is a competitor first and an entertainer second.
Haters keep on hating <3
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On December 13 2011 23:19 SeriouR wrote:
Ok, now imagine that you are a tournament organizer that wants to hold an invitational torunament, such as Dreamhack. You have 8 spots, and you plan on doing 3/4th place matches just for the laughs/some money...guess who you are NOT going to invite?
and thinking i was so close to buy a ticket for this just to see that kind of thing happening, I would probably be more mad if that had been the case.
Bolded the differentiating factor for you.
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On December 13 2011 23:24 Waterflow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:20 DarK[A] wrote:
I can't respect a player who just gives up, even when no advancement or prize money is on the line.
You know what my thrown-together volleyball teams record was this past season? 1-32. We won ONE game out of the 33 games we played (11 matches, three games per match.. the one game was against one of the bad teams, too). We showed up most weeks and had to play against kids fresh out of college who had played Division II/III volleyball. Every time we lost the first two games (thus losing the match) did we just stand there and let them serve it out? When we couldn't possibly make the playoffs anymore, did we just not show up to games? No, we showed up and played hard.
It doesn't even have to be a "traditional" sport. When I played CS and Quake competitively, you never saw players just throw games like this... especially not at a high level. When you get spawn killed a bunch of times in a row in Quake and you're all of a sudden down 10-0... do you just AFK or quit the game? No, you try to not get shut out. I remember one CS match we lost the first half like 12-3 or 11-4. We were devastated because we felt like that was our stronger side. But we collected ourselves in the FAR LESS THAN 10 minutes we got, and ended up coming back to tie it and win it in overtime. Did the match matter? Were we going to the playoffs? No. We just didn't want to be remembered as quitters.
I have so much respect for NesTea if that tweet is true. Such dedication to the game and to his career, only to have NaNiWa say "eh, I don't feel like playing right now". awwwwwwww sadface. Pffff.. grow the F up. The game was pointless. They can meet again when it actually matters. Quit being a melodramatic baby.
Go to respond, see "Sweden."
Nevermind 
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he kinda deserved all the shit he got. Respect of the opponent is FUNDAMENTAL in sports/esports
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On December 13 2011 23:25 Mortal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:24 Waterflow wrote:On December 13 2011 23:20 DarK[A] wrote:
I can't respect a player who just gives up, even when no advancement or prize money is on the line.
You know what my thrown-together volleyball teams record was this past season? 1-32. We won ONE game out of the 33 games we played (11 matches, three games per match.. the one game was against one of the bad teams, too). We showed up most weeks and had to play against kids fresh out of college who had played Division II/III volleyball. Every time we lost the first two games (thus losing the match) did we just stand there and let them serve it out? When we couldn't possibly make the playoffs anymore, did we just not show up to games? No, we showed up and played hard.
It doesn't even have to be a "traditional" sport. When I played CS and Quake competitively, you never saw players just throw games like this... especially not at a high level. When you get spawn killed a bunch of times in a row in Quake and you're all of a sudden down 10-0... do you just AFK or quit the game? No, you try to not get shut out. I remember one CS match we lost the first half like 12-3 or 11-4. We were devastated because we felt like that was our stronger side. But we collected ourselves in the FAR LESS THAN 10 minutes we got, and ended up coming back to tie it and win it in overtime. Did the match matter? Were we going to the playoffs? No. We just didn't want to be remembered as quitters.
I have so much respect for NesTea if that tweet is true. Such dedication to the game and to his career, only to have NaNiWa say "eh, I don't feel like playing right now". awwwwwwww sadface. Pffff.. grow the F up. The game was pointless. They can meet again when it actually matters. Quit being a melodramatic baby. Go to respond, see "Sweden." Nevermind
No kidding.. swedish fans are insanely devoted it seems. Naniwa could probably get away with punching a baby.
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Jesus guys the game didn't even matter, respect plays no part in it.
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Okay I have a question to all the people defending Naniwa, what did you think of the CoCa/Byun incident?
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On December 13 2011 23:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:25 Mortal wrote:On December 13 2011 23:24 Waterflow wrote:On December 13 2011 23:20 DarK[A] wrote:
I can't respect a player who just gives up, even when no advancement or prize money is on the line.
You know what my thrown-together volleyball teams record was this past season? 1-32. We won ONE game out of the 33 games we played (11 matches, three games per match.. the one game was against one of the bad teams, too). We showed up most weeks and had to play against kids fresh out of college who had played Division II/III volleyball. Every time we lost the first two games (thus losing the match) did we just stand there and let them serve it out? When we couldn't possibly make the playoffs anymore, did we just not show up to games? No, we showed up and played hard.
It doesn't even have to be a "traditional" sport. When I played CS and Quake competitively, you never saw players just throw games like this... especially not at a high level. When you get spawn killed a bunch of times in a row in Quake and you're all of a sudden down 10-0... do you just AFK or quit the game? No, you try to not get shut out. I remember one CS match we lost the first half like 12-3 or 11-4. We were devastated because we felt like that was our stronger side. But we collected ourselves in the FAR LESS THAN 10 minutes we got, and ended up coming back to tie it and win it in overtime. Did the match matter? Were we going to the playoffs? No. We just didn't want to be remembered as quitters.
I have so much respect for NesTea if that tweet is true. Such dedication to the game and to his career, only to have NaNiWa say "eh, I don't feel like playing right now". awwwwwwww sadface. Pffff.. grow the F up. The game was pointless. They can meet again when it actually matters. Quit being a melodramatic baby. Go to respond, see "Sweden." Nevermind No kidding.. swedish fans are insanely devoted it seems. Naniwa could probably get away with punching a baby.
Would've been hysterical if that was your 4k. But yes. (edited for typo).
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On December 13 2011 23:24 KuRiCobbY wrote:
As a competitor it made NO sense for Naniwa to play his game vs Nestea in a straight up fashion. He had no chance to advance so if he played that game as hard as he could with the intent to win the only thing he would accomplish is let his future opponents have more information about his play.
No it wasn't exciting, but Naniwa is a competitor first and an entertainer second.
Haters keep on hating <3
He was quite impressive vs Leenock, Polt and MMA (where he nearly managed to hold the thor pressure). Its not a good attitude and should not be done no matter what.
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On December 13 2011 23:24 JohnMatrix wrote:From Naniwa's interview: 'So if you suffer a bad loss in the groups early on, do you think you can bounce back? It doesn't matter to me in other games if I win or lose the previous match, I just treat each match like it's the same thing, and give it my best.' http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294009
Rushing 6 probes is not giving his best....not only does he cheat he lies too.
If he's trying to be cute or cause drama/bm he's not really doing a good job. He's just pissing everyone off including the Koreans.
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On December 13 2011 23:25 Mortal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:24 Waterflow wrote:On December 13 2011 23:20 DarK[A] wrote:
I can't respect a player who just gives up, even when no advancement or prize money is on the line.
You know what my thrown-together volleyball teams record was this past season? 1-32. We won ONE game out of the 33 games we played (11 matches, three games per match.. the one game was against one of the bad teams, too). We showed up most weeks and had to play against kids fresh out of college who had played Division II/III volleyball. Every time we lost the first two games (thus losing the match) did we just stand there and let them serve it out? When we couldn't possibly make the playoffs anymore, did we just not show up to games? No, we showed up and played hard.
It doesn't even have to be a "traditional" sport. When I played CS and Quake competitively, you never saw players just throw games like this... especially not at a high level. When you get spawn killed a bunch of times in a row in Quake and you're all of a sudden down 10-0... do you just AFK or quit the game? No, you try to not get shut out. I remember one CS match we lost the first half like 12-3 or 11-4. We were devastated because we felt like that was our stronger side. But we collected ourselves in the FAR LESS THAN 10 minutes we got, and ended up coming back to tie it and win it in overtime. Did the match matter? Were we going to the playoffs? No. We just didn't want to be remembered as quitters.
I have so much respect for NesTea if that tweet is true. Such dedication to the game and to his career, only to have NaNiWa say "eh, I don't feel like playing right now". awwwwwwww sadface. Pffff.. grow the F up. The game was pointless. They can meet again when it actually matters. Quit being a melodramatic baby. Go to respond, see "Sweden." Nevermind
Shows how immature you are. Im not Swedish and i full agree with that response. You gonna write now - Pff Polish im not gonna respond ?
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On December 13 2011 23:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:25 Mortal wrote:On December 13 2011 23:24 Waterflow wrote:On December 13 2011 23:20 DarK[A] wrote:
I can't respect a player who just gives up, even when no advancement or prize money is on the line.
You know what my thrown-together volleyball teams record was this past season? 1-32. We won ONE game out of the 33 games we played (11 matches, three games per match.. the one game was against one of the bad teams, too). We showed up most weeks and had to play against kids fresh out of college who had played Division II/III volleyball. Every time we lost the first two games (thus losing the match) did we just stand there and let them serve it out? When we couldn't possibly make the playoffs anymore, did we just not show up to games? No, we showed up and played hard.
It doesn't even have to be a "traditional" sport. When I played CS and Quake competitively, you never saw players just throw games like this... especially not at a high level. When you get spawn killed a bunch of times in a row in Quake and you're all of a sudden down 10-0... do you just AFK or quit the game? No, you try to not get shut out. I remember one CS match we lost the first half like 12-3 or 11-4. We were devastated because we felt like that was our stronger side. But we collected ourselves in the FAR LESS THAN 10 minutes we got, and ended up coming back to tie it and win it in overtime. Did the match matter? Were we going to the playoffs? No. We just didn't want to be remembered as quitters.
I have so much respect for NesTea if that tweet is true. Such dedication to the game and to his career, only to have NaNiWa say "eh, I don't feel like playing right now". awwwwwwww sadface. Pffff.. grow the F up. The game was pointless. They can meet again when it actually matters. Quit being a melodramatic baby. Go to respond, see "Sweden." Nevermind No kidding.. swedish fans are insanely devoted it seems. Naniwa could probably get away with punching a baby.
Funny. Still doesn't change the fact that people are severely overreacting.
But ofcourse it's easier for people from one country to shit on another country.
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On December 13 2011 23:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:25 Mortal wrote:On December 13 2011 23:24 Waterflow wrote:On December 13 2011 23:20 DarK[A] wrote:
I can't respect a player who just gives up, even when no advancement or prize money is on the line.
You know what my thrown-together volleyball teams record was this past season? 1-32. We won ONE game out of the 33 games we played (11 matches, three games per match.. the one game was against one of the bad teams, too). We showed up most weeks and had to play against kids fresh out of college who had played Division II/III volleyball. Every time we lost the first two games (thus losing the match) did we just stand there and let them serve it out? When we couldn't possibly make the playoffs anymore, did we just not show up to games? No, we showed up and played hard.
It doesn't even have to be a "traditional" sport. When I played CS and Quake competitively, you never saw players just throw games like this... especially not at a high level. When you get spawn killed a bunch of times in a row in Quake and you're all of a sudden down 10-0... do you just AFK or quit the game? No, you try to not get shut out. I remember one CS match we lost the first half like 12-3 or 11-4. We were devastated because we felt like that was our stronger side. But we collected ourselves in the FAR LESS THAN 10 minutes we got, and ended up coming back to tie it and win it in overtime. Did the match matter? Were we going to the playoffs? No. We just didn't want to be remembered as quitters.
I have so much respect for NesTea if that tweet is true. Such dedication to the game and to his career, only to have NaNiWa say "eh, I don't feel like playing right now". awwwwwwww sadface. Pffff.. grow the F up. The game was pointless. They can meet again when it actually matters. Quit being a melodramatic baby. Go to respond, see "Sweden." Nevermind No kidding.. swedish fans are insanely devoted it seems. Naniwa could probably get away with punching a baby.
Hey, if the french can do it with Stephano, and the americans with Idra. Why shouldn't we?  On a more serious note: Would I have preferred to have seen a full game where they both tried their best. Yes, definitely. Would a trade it for a world where I don't get to see any of Naniwa's games in high stake tournaments? Hell no.
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On December 13 2011 23:24 Waterflow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:20 DarK[A] wrote:
I can't respect a player who just gives up, even when no advancement or prize money is on the line.
You know what my thrown-together volleyball teams record was this past season? 1-32. We won ONE game out of the 33 games we played (11 matches, three games per match.. the one game was against one of the bad teams, too). We showed up most weeks and had to play against kids fresh out of college who had played Division II/III volleyball. Every time we lost the first two games (thus losing the match) did we just stand there and let them serve it out? When we couldn't possibly make the playoffs anymore, did we just not show up to games? No, we showed up and played hard.
It doesn't even have to be a "traditional" sport. When I played CS and Quake competitively, you never saw players just throw games like this... especially not at a high level. When you get spawn killed a bunch of times in a row in Quake and you're all of a sudden down 10-0... do you just AFK or quit the game? No, you try to not get shut out. I remember one CS match we lost the first half like 12-3 or 11-4. We were devastated because we felt like that was our stronger side. But we collected ourselves in the FAR LESS THAN 10 minutes we got, and ended up coming back to tie it and win it in overtime. Did the match matter? Were we going to the playoffs? No. We just didn't want to be remembered as quitters.
I have so much respect for NesTea if that tweet is true. Such dedication to the game and to his career, only to have NaNiWa say "eh, I don't feel like playing right now". awwwwwwww sadface. Pffff.. grow the F up. The game was pointless. They can meet again when it actually matters. Quit being a melodramatic baby.
You inability to accept the fact that people have different qualifications for respect shows who needs to grow up. It's you by the way if you weren't able to catch on. In fact, Dark[A] supports his claims by showing that he has had similar experiences in professional sports, establishing his credibility.
Like I said earlier, everyone has their own opinions, but at least Dark shows why his opinion matters somewhat... more than yours anyway.
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So its ok for naniwa to behave anyway he likes disrespecting alot of people until his stupidity lose Quantic its sponsors, startale no longer want to provide space for sase to practice and esports falls ever more downwards in terns of respect?
shame on all these people upset by his action they should wise up!
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On December 13 2011 23:28 Femari wrote:
Okay I have a question to all the people defending Naniwa, what did you think of the CoCa/Byun incident?
I think SlayerS were incredibly harsh in their punishment.
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