EPTNestea vs Naniwa Korean Twitterstorm - Page 22
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
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billplusplus
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worked13
Australia93 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:54 KibbelzNbits wrote: His FANS shall be the people who SUPPORT his ALL-I-DO-IS-WIN mentality. Naniwa's in huge trouble then given he just went 0-4 | ||
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Ponchey
Sweden89 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:52 andaylin wrote: this thread is literally swedes defending naniwa vs everyone else hahaha In the end, I think the only thing really defending Naniwa is his skills. I like him because he 's incredibly good at what he does, which is playing Starcraft 2, not hosting shows. he and SaSe makes me want to switch to Protoss, because it's just mesmerizing to see them at their best. I see a lot of the same things in other great athletes. They often have that winning mentality that makes nothing else matter. They may be awkward or uncharismatic or downright BM like John McEnroe. but ofttimes these are the people who push themselves more than anyone else, and succeeds because of it. At the alpine world championships in Sweden 2007, Swedish skier Anja Paerson won 3 out of 5 disciplines, and took third place in one. And when she got that third place, she broke the pole over her knee. She wasn't happy about the bronze, because she had narrowly missed the gold due to a mistake. She comes across as grumpy and uncharismatic in interviews, but still I keep cheering for her, because of her skill. | ||
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Kiyo.
United States2284 Posts
@QuanticNaNi johan lucchesi apparently people got upset when i probe rushed nestea, the game was pointless and it couldnt change anything in the tournament. @QuanticNaNi johan lucchesi i can understand if fans got upset but neither of us had anything on stake and wouldnt play our best. i am sry if people expected more tho | ||
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:59 shortsteve wrote: I honestly have no issues with Naniwa throwing away the game. You see it all the time in real sports. If anything he did us all a favor and ended a game quickly where both sides were probably not in a competitive mood. There are so many examples in basketball why teams throw games or make a mockery of the game. Teams who have no chance in making the playoffs suddenly have their star player "injured" and they pretty much purposely lose to get a better seeding in the draft. Similarly on the flip side when a team is already guaranteed a high playoff spot you see them not play their starters in order to rest them for later. what u are describing is more like not using your best strategy cause you re out or alrady in the playoffs but what naniwa did is more like playing a game of basketball and your whole team isnt moving at all or something like that. u dont do that | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
@TSLJYP: LOLOLOLOLOL x 140 characters I don't believe I need to add much more than this. I think Nani needs to get a grip. Sure the games didn't "matter" but come on guy. | ||
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hybridsc
United States63 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:55 SnePe wrote: The points I'm about to try to make is not about Naniwa, but about the way esports tournaments are structured. If you have ever played tournaments yourself, invested most of your life into a game, have great expectations for you and your team and then when you get eliminated you know it feels horrible. At that point, it is not just a game you play, it is your life. When you lose and get eliminated you get depressed, you just don't want to play. You could argue that you should play for the spectators and the fans. If your favourite football team is eliminated you still expect them to play with honor and dignity in their last game even if it doesn't mean anything. I don't think that you can compare esports with other sports like football, for one reason: They don't expect you to play 10 minutes after being eliminated. Any other sport have atleast a day before they have to play again. You are at that point emotionally crushed, the dissapointment is almost impossible to describe. You need time to work it through. From my experience playing in various CS tournaments, if you give us an hour we'll be sort of OK, give us four and we'll be playing reasonably, give us a day and we will be pumped and ready to go and put on a good match. We need time to decompress, talk it through and be alone atleast for a while. Just because there isn't a huge physical strain which is the reason footballers gets days off between games, there still is a mental strain on the players which is never taken into consideration. All your hopes and expectations just died, it is not a great feeling. Give us 10-20 minutes, our minds will not be in the game, there will be no passion, just utter dissapointment. You are not playing to win, you are just going through the motions and you just want to leave. I've said it countless times to people around me, but no one wants to listen. Tournaments needs to be longer with more time between each game or they just need skip playing pointless matches with teams that has been elminated all together (which is often the case). Throwing the game is not good and you can NEVER defend that as it is just a pure waste of everyones time, but you can also never expect a good show or that the players are playing with passion unless they are given time to clear their heads. I don't understand why this is such a mystery for a lot of people and why they get so surprised when stuff like Naniwa - Nestea happens. First legitimate point defending Naniwa. You're right actually. Thinking about it, Gomtv should have never made them play it out. Even the prize pool was the same regardless of whether you finished 4th of 5th. | ||
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Quakie
Norway725 Posts
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Waterflow
Sweden1550 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:55 zdfgucker wrote: The key word being Seoul. I take it you don't have any idea how serious Koreans take Starcraft, do you? There's a saying that fits perfectly: When in Rome, do as the Romans do. Think about it. Well then maybe the koreans should think about the fact that NaNiwa is a foreigner and not acustomed to their culture etc. Have a little understanding maybe? | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:59 Waterflow wrote: "is not even close to being okay" lol. NaNiwa can do whatever he wants dude. And people can bitch about it how much they want. Atleast he is being himself and not some phony. He has guts. You make it sound like he did something really bad ^^ wich he didn't. Throwing a game isn't bad? Someone get sAviOr we need to get this information to him! | ||
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JohnMatrix
France1358 Posts
"coL"Naniwa ? its not him LOL | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:05 hybridsc wrote: First legitimate point defending Naniwa. You're right actually. Thinking about it, Gomtv should have never made them play it out. Even the prize pool was the same regardless of whether you finished 4th of 5th. I don't see Korean players doing this, and I've seen several in this situation. Nestea sure wasn't going to. In fact I've seen Koreans fight to the last in matches 'that don't mean anything' because they'd rather have the fans remember then losing 1-3 than 0-4, and at least be able to walk away with their heads held high. I can respect that attitude. I can't respect Naniwa's. On December 13 2011 23:06 Waterflow wrote: Well then maybe the koreans should think about the fact that NaNiwa is a foreigner and not acustomed to their culture etc. Have a little understanding maybe? He's been in 4 GSLs. If he's still so clueless about the gaming culture of the game he's a professional in after 4 months then the fault is entirely his. Especially since he's been in team houses with them. | ||
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Gooshnads
Canada24 Posts
Neither of them were going to advance, and I think Nani would rather just spend the time to think about everything that went wrong and practice, rather than draggin it on, playing a half-assed game. | ||
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Nadarath
98 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:06 Femari wrote: Throwing a game isn't bad? Someone get sAviOr we need to get this information to him! I think you are crossing over bit too much. Did Naniwa bet any money and gained something from it ? Prove it then use this argument. Otherwise you are just making bad and rude accusations. | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
where does it say "coL"? Naniwa's twitter is Quantic. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:08 Gooshnads wrote: People rip on Nani without understanding the context of the situation. Neither of them were going to advance, and I think Nani would rather just spend the time to think about everything that went wrong and practice, rather than draggin it on, playing a half-assed game. Naniwa agreed to the terms of the tournament. He knew that all the games were going to be played. If he can't even stick to the terms that he agreed to then Naniwa has some issues. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:59 Waterflow wrote: "is not even close to being okay" lol. NaNiwa can do whatever he wants dude. And people can bitch about it how much they want. Atleast he is being himself and not some phony. He has guts. You make it sound like he did something really bad ^^ wich he didn't. Actually DUDE, he can't do whatever he wants. Not when he is signed to a pro team that has sponsors that shell out money to send these players to tourneys and to represent them in the best possible way. You want to say he doesn't have an obligation to the fans, fine. But he does to the team and the sponsors. If he doesn't want to be beholden to anybody at all. he can start paying for everything himself, until then he team expects him to act like a professional and this wasn't it. | ||
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Dimon87
Sweden218 Posts
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