EPTAnd i really think he did this because people wanted to see him play Nestea , but he felt this match was meaningless..
Naniwa change the attitude or at least do a proxy gateway , this is funny but so wrong..
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tapk69
Portugal264 Posts
And i really think he did this because people wanted to see him play Nestea , but he felt this match was meaningless.. Naniwa change the attitude or at least do a proxy gateway , this is funny but so wrong.. | ||
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KibbelzNbits
United States14 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:43 Merlimoo wrote: Naniwa is a douchbad. He said he disliked CoL because they value fanbase as much as results. He clearly said that he only cares to win. So fans are useless to him. And he just prove it. He doesn't deserve any of his match until round of 4 to be cast since he does not care about viewership, fans or entertainment. He does not deserve any fan either. Not to mention the lack of sport spirit and fairplay. No excuse for him, he has always been like that. Even if some known people tried to save his public image. I'm more than eager to see him fail in the next tournament to see him quit the game. DR;TL : It's about sport spirit. The proscene lives from viewership, through publicity. Even if I profondly dislike this model entertainment is very important right now. Without going like WWF, this match could have been fun to watch knowning the pride at stake. He's just shown he has none. How can we claim to have a sport-like (esport) game, if we show people behaving like that ? Shame on him. His FANS shall be the people who SUPPORT his ALL-I-DO-IS-WIN mentality. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:51 Petninja wrote: You guys need to lay off Naniwa. It's not like this was the only game of Starcraft you're going to get to watch this week. IdrA leaves a game he's winning and everyone laughs and says "Oh that's our IdrA" and then Naniwa ends a game that doesn't matter with a win and people start talking about revoking his code S and how shameful it is. Just chill. IdrA doesn't throw the games he leaves early. That's a mental issue in which he thinks he's lost and overreacts. Naniwa just sent all his probes and didn't micro them and took his hands off the keyboard and mouse. There's a difference in actually trying and throwing a game. | ||
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Vond
Sweden145 Posts
oh dear god...... oooooooh it's so terrible..... naniwa did a probe rush.... HE DESERVES DEATH PENALTY INFRONT OF A HUGE CROWD IN SEOUL. oh jesus....... some people just likes to hate on anything they can get their hands on. People here should take a look at themselves also and think about how they act as persons. It's not the fact that he proberushed. It's a cheese that can sometimes work. But a-moving the probes and then taking your hands off your keyboard in protest is not even close to being okay. | ||
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hybridsc
United States63 Posts
Sorry bro, I don't think you understand what's what when it comes to roles in this business. We are the fans, the consumers in this industry. We can say what we want. Fans aren't held to the same standard of respect, maturity, and professionalism that the players are. It's the same with the media. In this case, a lot of our starcraft media comes from people within the scene, like those admins on TL.net and community figures posting in forums like these. And ya, MVPKeen going LOLOL probably isn't too classy, but honestly this type of behavior is a joke. In any sport, your colleagues are going to look down upon the type of behavior Naniwa displayed. It's really shameful. | ||
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Waterflow
Sweden1550 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:52 andaylin wrote: this thread is literally swedes defending naniwa vs everyone else hahaha Don't have anything to do with me being a swede. Im just a naniwa fan. It's just pathetic how much people are overreacting on this. Just like a mob of bullyers who jumps on the bandwagon to pick on 1 person. | ||
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:52 Waterflow wrote: oh dear god...... oooooooh it's so terrible..... naniwa did a probe rush.... HE DESERVES DEATH PENALTY INFRONT OF A HUGE CROWD IN SEOUL. oh jesus....... some people just likes to hate on anything they can get their hands on. People here should take a look at themselves also and think about how they act as persons. The key word being Seoul. I take it you don't have any idea how serious Koreans take Starcraft, do you? There's a saying that fits perfectly: When in Rome, do as the Romans do. Think about it. | ||
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SnePe
Sweden14 Posts
If you have ever played tournaments yourself, invested most of your life into a game, have great expectations for you and your team and then when you get eliminated you know it feels horrible. At that point, it is not just a game you play, it is your life. When you lose and get eliminated you get depressed, you just don't want to play. You could argue that you should play for the spectators and the fans. If your favourite football team is eliminated you still expect them to play with honor and dignity in their last game even if it doesn't mean anything. I don't think that you can compare esports with other sports like football, for one reason: They don't expect you to play 10 minutes after being eliminated. Any other sport have atleast a day before they have to play again. You are at that point emotionally crushed, the dissapointment is almost impossible to describe. You need time to work it through. From my experience playing in various CS tournaments, if you give us an hour we'll be sort of OK, give us four and we'll be playing reasonably, give us a day and we will be pumped and ready to go and put on a good match. We need time to decompress, talk it through and be alone atleast for a while. Just because there isn't a huge physical strain which is the reason footballers gets days off between games, there still is a mental strain on the players which is never taken into consideration. All your hopes and expectations just died, it is not a great feeling. Give us 10-20 minutes, our minds will not be in the game, there will be no passion, just utter dissapointment. You are not playing to win, you are just going through the motions and you just want to leave. I've said it countless times to people around me, but no one wants to listen. Tournaments needs to be longer with more time between each game or they just need skip playing pointless matches with teams that has been elminated all together (which is often the case). Throwing the game is not good and you can NEVER defend that as it is just a pure waste of everyones time, but you can also never expect a good show or that the players are playing with passion unless they are given time to clear their heads. I don't understand why this is such a mystery for a lot of people and why they get so surprised when stuff like Naniwa - Nestea happens. | ||
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Merlimoo
France192 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:54 KibbelzNbits wrote: His FANS shall be the people who SUPPORT his ALL-I-DO-IS-WIN mentality. You should say : ALL-I-DO-IS-WANT-TO-WIN mentality, since he rarely does so... | ||
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Treziel
United Kingdom123 Posts
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Nadarath
98 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:50 Niazger wrote: It's not the same at all. Naniwa chose to basicly forfeit the game. There are sponsors etc. behind him that try to get their team/product out there. He has a responsibility towards those people to do the "job" hes being paid for. I also feel really bad for NesTea, apparently he had been practising till late at night yesterday to be prepared for this match (on his birthday). How do you know what are Naniwa responsibilities in Quantic ? Have you read official contract ? I can bet that he is beeing paid to win matches that actually matter in tournament. I don't think he is obliged to win games that matter to Nestea fans ? Maybe i'm bad person or something but i actually think it is kind of funny that he didnt give Nestea chance to fight. He messed up his mind and might be able to have advantage in a game vs Nestea that will actually have meaning. I wonder why no one is alarmed that Choya will freely name one of players "bastard" and its ok. I bed if Naniwa would call Choya bastard - internet would just blow. | ||
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dormer
United States1314 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:55 Waterflow wrote: Don't have anything to do with me being a swede. Im just a naniwa fan. It's just pathetic how much people are overreacting on this. Just like a mob of bullyers who jumps on the bandwagon to pick on 1 person. I'm not a Swede and I'm not upset with Naniwa. Sounds like a bumper sticker... but really, I do think people are overreacting. | ||
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Merlimoo
France192 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:55 SnePe wrote: The points I'm about to try to make is not about Naniwa, but about the way esports tournaments are structured. If you have ever played tournaments yourself, invested most of your life into a game, have great expectations for you and your team and then when you get eliminated you know it feels horrible. At that point, it is not just a game you play, it is your life. When you lose and get eliminated you get depressed, you just don't want to play. You could argue that you should play for the spectators and the fans. If your favourite football team is eliminated you still expect them to play with honor and dignity in their last game even if it doesn't mean anything. I don't think that you can compare esports with other sports like football, for one reason: They don't expect you to play 10 minutes after being eliminated. Any other sport have atleast a day before they have to play again. You are at that point emotionally crushed, the dissapointment is almost impossible to describe. You need time to work it through. From my experience playing in various CS tournaments, if you give us an hour we'll be sort of OK, give us four and we'll be playing reasonably, give us a day and we will be pumped and ready to go and put on a good match. We need time to decompress, talk it through and be alone atleast for a while. Just because there isn't a huge physical strain which is the reason footballers gets days off between games, there still is a mental strain on the players which is never taken into consideration. All your hopes and expectations just died, it is not a great feeling. Give us 10-20 minutes, our minds will not be in the game, there will be no passion, just utter dissapointment. You are not playing to win, you are just going through the motions and you just want to leave. I've said it countless times to people around me, but no one wants to listen. Tournaments needs to be longer with more time between each game or they just need skip playing pointless matches with teams that has been elminated all together (which is often the case). Throwing the game is not good and you can NEVER defend that as it is just a pure waste of everyones time, but you can also never expect a good show or that the players are playing with passion unless they are given time to clear their heads. I don't understand why this is such a mystery for a lot of people and why they get so surprised when stuff like Naniwa - Nestea happens. I think you make a good point here. During pools, results should not be disclosed to players that have not finished they match. It will solve the throwing game to help a friend problem too. | ||
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chiwawa
330 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:54 Femari wrote: IdrA doesn't throw the games he leaves early. That's a mental issue in which he thinks he's lost and overreacts. Naniwa just sent all his probes and didn't micro them and took his hands off the keyboard and mouse. There's a difference in actually trying and throwing a game. There's no way you can defend Idra's behavior after what he did in TL Open a while ago. | ||
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Zeaket
United States208 Posts
"coLNaniwa Johan Lucchesi i really practiced my 7 probe rush. i should have won that game ez!" http://twitter.com/#!/coLNaniwa LOLOLO | ||
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Waterflow
Sweden1550 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:54 Vond wrote: It's not the fact that he proberushed. It's a cheese that can sometimes work. But a-moving the probes and then taking your hands off your keyboard in protest is not even close to being okay. "is not even close to being okay" lol. NaNiwa can do whatever he wants dude. And people can bitch about it how much they want. Atleast he is being himself and not some phony. He has guts. You make it sound like he did something really bad ^^ wich he didn't. | ||
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:58 Zeaket wrote: I didn't see this in the OP, figured I'd list it here. "coLNaniwa Johan Lucchesi i really practiced my 7 probe rush. i should have won that game ez!" http://twitter.com/#!/coLNaniwa LOLOLO thats a fake | ||
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shortsteve
29 Posts
There are so many examples in basketball why teams throw games or make a mockery of the game. Teams who have no chance in making the playoffs suddenly have their star player "injured" and they pretty much purposely lose to get a better seeding in the draft. Similarly on the flip side when a team is already guaranteed a high playoff spot you see them not play their starters in order to rest them for later. | ||
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crowbar
Sweden21 Posts
Some ppl will always hate. | ||
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Nadarath
98 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:58 Merlimoo wrote: I think you make a good point here. During pools, results should not be disclosed to players that have not finished they match. It will solve the throwing game to help a friend problem too. And that conclusion leads to one thing - make a better format of tournament. One that each game matters. Either players fight for seeding. Or it is Single Elimination. Dont give players meaningless games and they will fight as hard as they can. | ||
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