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On December 13 2011 23:29 LuckyFool wrote:Rushing 6 probes is not giving his best....not only does he cheat he lies too. If he's trying to be cute or cause drama/bm he's not really doing a good job. He's just pissing everyone off including the Koreans.
Way to take something out of context dumbass. You realise when he said that, he didn't mean in the context of playing a meaningless game that wouldn't make a difference to his progression in the larger scale of the cup.
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On December 13 2011 23:29 Nadarath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:25 Mortal wrote:On December 13 2011 23:24 Waterflow wrote:On December 13 2011 23:20 DarK[A] wrote:
I can't respect a player who just gives up, even when no advancement or prize money is on the line.
You know what my thrown-together volleyball teams record was this past season? 1-32. We won ONE game out of the 33 games we played (11 matches, three games per match.. the one game was against one of the bad teams, too). We showed up most weeks and had to play against kids fresh out of college who had played Division II/III volleyball. Every time we lost the first two games (thus losing the match) did we just stand there and let them serve it out? When we couldn't possibly make the playoffs anymore, did we just not show up to games? No, we showed up and played hard.
It doesn't even have to be a "traditional" sport. When I played CS and Quake competitively, you never saw players just throw games like this... especially not at a high level. When you get spawn killed a bunch of times in a row in Quake and you're all of a sudden down 10-0... do you just AFK or quit the game? No, you try to not get shut out. I remember one CS match we lost the first half like 12-3 or 11-4. We were devastated because we felt like that was our stronger side. But we collected ourselves in the FAR LESS THAN 10 minutes we got, and ended up coming back to tie it and win it in overtime. Did the match matter? Were we going to the playoffs? No. We just didn't want to be remembered as quitters.
I have so much respect for NesTea if that tweet is true. Such dedication to the game and to his career, only to have NaNiWa say "eh, I don't feel like playing right now". awwwwwwww  sadface. Pffff.. grow the F up. The game was pointless. They can meet again when it actually matters. Quit being a melodramatic baby. Go to respond, see "Sweden." Nevermind  Shows how immature you are. Im not Swedish and i full agree with that response. You gonna write now - Pff Polish im not gonna respond ?
Lol, you agree because you clearly understand nothing of SC2, regardless of country of origin. In his recent interview he said he'd "treat each match as it's own and do his best." Last I checked, rushing w/ 6 probes isn't doing your best, but I could be wrong w/ Naniwa.
And yeah the match wouldn't have changed anything, do you see Koreans just blatantly leaving in the first minute because they're immature and can't handle losing?
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On December 13 2011 23:29 LuckyFool wrote:Rushing 6 probes is not giving his best....not only does he cheat he lies too. If he's trying to be cute or cause drama/bm he's not really doing a good job. He's just pissing everyone off including the Koreans.
Im pretty sure that statement doesn't include matches that are pointless. But good try there son.
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On December 13 2011 23:28 Femari wrote:
Okay I have a question to all the people defending Naniwa, what did you think of the CoCa/Byun incident?
EDITCompletely misread post. Self-ownage and stupidity at its finest ;;
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On December 13 2011 23:30 Ponchey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 13 2011 23:25 Mortal wrote:On December 13 2011 23:24 Waterflow wrote:On December 13 2011 23:20 DarK[A] wrote:
I can't respect a player who just gives up, even when no advancement or prize money is on the line.
You know what my thrown-together volleyball teams record was this past season? 1-32. We won ONE game out of the 33 games we played (11 matches, three games per match.. the one game was against one of the bad teams, too). We showed up most weeks and had to play against kids fresh out of college who had played Division II/III volleyball. Every time we lost the first two games (thus losing the match) did we just stand there and let them serve it out? When we couldn't possibly make the playoffs anymore, did we just not show up to games? No, we showed up and played hard.
It doesn't even have to be a "traditional" sport. When I played CS and Quake competitively, you never saw players just throw games like this... especially not at a high level. When you get spawn killed a bunch of times in a row in Quake and you're all of a sudden down 10-0... do you just AFK or quit the game? No, you try to not get shut out. I remember one CS match we lost the first half like 12-3 or 11-4. We were devastated because we felt like that was our stronger side. But we collected ourselves in the FAR LESS THAN 10 minutes we got, and ended up coming back to tie it and win it in overtime. Did the match matter? Were we going to the playoffs? No. We just didn't want to be remembered as quitters.
I have so much respect for NesTea if that tweet is true. Such dedication to the game and to his career, only to have NaNiWa say "eh, I don't feel like playing right now". awwwwwwww sadface. Pffff.. grow the F up. The game was pointless. They can meet again when it actually matters. Quit being a melodramatic baby. Go to respond, see "Sweden." Nevermind No kidding.. swedish fans are insanely devoted it seems. Naniwa could probably get away with punching a baby. Hey, if the french can do it with Stephano, and the americans with Idra. Why shouldn't we?  On a more serious note: Would I have preferred to have seen a full game where they both tried their best. Yes, definitely. Would a trade it for a world where I don't get to see any of Naniwa's games in high stake tournaments? Hell no.
Sorry but Stephano have never been openly BM, never left without a message (ok, it's not "gg"), and doesn't act like he's the best player in the world. Oh, and he doesn't bitch about balance when he plays poorly but says he fucked up and it was embarassing.
Not really the same character.
This was just poor professionalism by Naniwa. His job is not to win tourneys but to make tourneys interesting to watch. Too bad he can't get this.
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On December 13 2011 23:32 elt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:28 Femari wrote:
Okay I have a question to all the people defending Naniwa, what did you think of the CoCa/Byun incident? It was crap and idiotic by both players, some of the same people now spoke out then (e.g. Nestea). They got severely punished by their teams. I don't see your point?
The point is if they are all for the punishments CoCa and Byun got and they're defending Naniwa then they're giant hypocrites.
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On December 13 2011 23:11 Waterflow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:06 Femari wrote:On December 13 2011 22:59 Waterflow wrote:On December 13 2011 22:54 Vond wrote:
oh dear god...... oooooooh it's so terrible..... naniwa did a probe rush.... HE DESERVES DEATH PENALTY INFRONT OF A HUGE CROWD IN SEOUL.
oh jesus....... some people just likes to hate on anything they can get their hands on. People here should take a look at themselves also and think about how they act as persons.
It's not the fact that he proberushed. It's a cheese that can sometimes work. But a-moving the probes and then taking your hands off your keyboard in protest is not even close to being okay. "is not even close to being okay" lol. NaNiwa can do whatever he wants dude. And people can bitch about it how much they want. Atleast he is being himself and not some phony. He has guts. You make it sound like he did something really bad ^^ wich he didn't. Throwing a game isn't bad? Someone get sAviOr we need to get this information to him! To NaNiwa... the game was pointless. He had played 3 close games and ended up 0-3. Not to happy about that i guess considering he has a huge winner mentality. Throwing a game that is pointless isn't that bad in my opinion no. Nestea was out aswell. That game was just a waste of time. NaNiwa had the right to do that since the game didn't matter anyway.
dont you understand the reason naniwa is able to make a living off of playing video games is the fans? dont you understand that EVERYTHING is being done for the fans? dont you think that bomber had better things to do than fly to sweden, a couple of monts ago, JUST TO PLAY A SHOWMATCH? the sponsors sent him, the fans were loving it, he had to go.
when you are a supposed ''pro'' at something, you have to do things. and you have to play the games even if they dont matter to you. you know why? because the fans are tuning in to see you play. when you obviously dont give a shit about the fans, like naniwa does, you dont deserve to get paid for playing a game.
the fans are they who bring the money into this, they are the ones that watch the ads and support the sponsors by giving them money; money which then are thrown back into e-sports. is it that SO difficult for you to understand? quit supporting him just because he plays your race (im a protoss player as well) or because you are from the same country that he is, the guy is trash he doesnt deserve your support. i really expect from quantic to dismiss him and from no other team to pick him up and thus vanish from the scene.
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yes Nani, the game didnt matter statistically but shit man, your foreign fans stayed up WAY into the night to watch you play. That's selfish bro.
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On December 13 2011 23:31 lovekr wrote:
So its ok for naniwa to behave anyway he likes disrespecting alot of people until his stupidity lose Quantic its sponsors, startale no longer want to provide space for sase to practice and esports falls ever more downwards in terns of respect?
shame on all these people upset by his action they should wise up!
Quantic losing sponsors? have you ever heard the phrase "all publicity is good publicity"? Do you think more or less people will have heard the names Naniwa and Quantic tomorrow than had yesterday?
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MKP's reaction. He expresses the same thoughts as Guineapig basically and counts himself as someone who would have loved to be in Naniwa's spot.
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On December 13 2011 23:33 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:32 elt wrote:On December 13 2011 23:28 Femari wrote:
Okay I have a question to all the people defending Naniwa, what did you think of the CoCa/Byun incident? It was crap and idiotic by both players, some of the same people now spoke out then (e.g. Nestea). They got severely punished by their teams. I don't see your point? The point is if they are all for the punishments CoCa and Byun got and they're defending Naniwa then they're giant hypocrites.
Oh shit, I completely misread your post sorry -.-;;
Now I look like a dumbass...
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On December 13 2011 23:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2011 23:25 Mortal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:24 Waterflow wrote:On December 13 2011 23:20 DarK[A] wrote:
I can't respect a player who just gives up, even when no advancement or prize money is on the line.
You know what my thrown-together volleyball teams record was this past season? 1-32. We won ONE game out of the 33 games we played (11 matches, three games per match.. the one game was against one of the bad teams, too). We showed up most weeks and had to play against kids fresh out of college who had played Division II/III volleyball. Every time we lost the first two games (thus losing the match) did we just stand there and let them serve it out? When we couldn't possibly make the playoffs anymore, did we just not show up to games? No, we showed up and played hard.
It doesn't even have to be a "traditional" sport. When I played CS and Quake competitively, you never saw players just throw games like this... especially not at a high level. When you get spawn killed a bunch of times in a row in Quake and you're all of a sudden down 10-0... do you just AFK or quit the game? No, you try to not get shut out. I remember one CS match we lost the first half like 12-3 or 11-4. We were devastated because we felt like that was our stronger side. But we collected ourselves in the FAR LESS THAN 10 minutes we got, and ended up coming back to tie it and win it in overtime. Did the match matter? Were we going to the playoffs? No. We just didn't want to be remembered as quitters.
I have so much respect for NesTea if that tweet is true. Such dedication to the game and to his career, only to have NaNiWa say "eh, I don't feel like playing right now". awwwwwwww sadface. Pffff.. grow the F up. The game was pointless. They can meet again when it actually matters. Quit being a melodramatic baby. Go to respond, see "Sweden." Nevermind No kidding.. swedish fans are insanely devoted it seems. Naniwa could probably get away with punching a baby.
Or we're just slightly more rational than everyone else
I have to agree with Tylers tweet. Some people seem to think that "if he had atleast done a proxy 10 Gate, it would be okay". In my mind that makes no difference. That's just enjoying the illusion of competition. Naniwa just took things to their logical conclusion.
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On December 13 2011 23:33 Fred Flintstone wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:11 Waterflow wrote:On December 13 2011 23:06 Femari wrote:On December 13 2011 22:59 Waterflow wrote:On December 13 2011 22:54 Vond wrote:
oh dear god...... oooooooh it's so terrible..... naniwa did a probe rush.... HE DESERVES DEATH PENALTY INFRONT OF A HUGE CROWD IN SEOUL.
oh jesus....... some people just likes to hate on anything they can get their hands on. People here should take a look at themselves also and think about how they act as persons.
It's not the fact that he proberushed. It's a cheese that can sometimes work. But a-moving the probes and then taking your hands off your keyboard in protest is not even close to being okay. "is not even close to being okay" lol. NaNiwa can do whatever he wants dude. And people can bitch about it how much they want. Atleast he is being himself and not some phony. He has guts. You make it sound like he did something really bad ^^ wich he didn't. Throwing a game isn't bad? Someone get sAviOr we need to get this information to him! To NaNiwa... the game was pointless. He had played 3 close games and ended up 0-3. Not to happy about that i guess considering he has a huge winner mentality. Throwing a game that is pointless isn't that bad in my opinion no. Nestea was out aswell. That game was just a waste of time. NaNiwa had the right to do that since the game didn't matter anyway. dont you understand the reason naniwa is able to make a living off of playing video games is the fans? dont you understand that EVERYTHING is being done for the fans? dont you think that bomber had better things to do than fly to sweden, a couple of monts ago, JUST TO PLAY A SHOWMATCH? the fans are they who bring the money into this, they are the ones who watch the ads and support the sponsors by giving them money; money which then are thrown back into e-sports. is it that SO difficult for you to understand? when you are a supposed ''pro'' at something, you play the games even if they dont matter to you. because the fans are tuning in to see you play. when you obviously dont give a shit about the fans, like naniwa does, you dont deserve to get paid for playing a game. quit supporting him just because he plays your race (im a protoss player as well) or because you are a swede, he doesnt deserve your support. i really expect from quantic to dismiss him and from no other team to pick him up and let him vanish from the scene. ps.
Don't you think your overreacting? Answer: YES YOU ARE!
Let it go a couple of days and maybe your mind has come to it's senses.
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On December 13 2011 23:32 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:30 Ponchey wrote:On December 13 2011 23:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 13 2011 23:25 Mortal wrote:On December 13 2011 23:24 Waterflow wrote:On December 13 2011 23:20 DarK[A] wrote:
I can't respect a player who just gives up, even when no advancement or prize money is on the line.
You know what my thrown-together volleyball teams record was this past season? 1-32. We won ONE game out of the 33 games we played (11 matches, three games per match.. the one game was against one of the bad teams, too). We showed up most weeks and had to play against kids fresh out of college who had played Division II/III volleyball. Every time we lost the first two games (thus losing the match) did we just stand there and let them serve it out? When we couldn't possibly make the playoffs anymore, did we just not show up to games? No, we showed up and played hard.
It doesn't even have to be a "traditional" sport. When I played CS and Quake competitively, you never saw players just throw games like this... especially not at a high level. When you get spawn killed a bunch of times in a row in Quake and you're all of a sudden down 10-0... do you just AFK or quit the game? No, you try to not get shut out. I remember one CS match we lost the first half like 12-3 or 11-4. We were devastated because we felt like that was our stronger side. But we collected ourselves in the FAR LESS THAN 10 minutes we got, and ended up coming back to tie it and win it in overtime. Did the match matter? Were we going to the playoffs? No. We just didn't want to be remembered as quitters.
I have so much respect for NesTea if that tweet is true. Such dedication to the game and to his career, only to have NaNiWa say "eh, I don't feel like playing right now". awwwwwwww sadface. Pffff.. grow the F up. The game was pointless. They can meet again when it actually matters. Quit being a melodramatic baby. Go to respond, see "Sweden." Nevermind No kidding.. swedish fans are insanely devoted it seems. Naniwa could probably get away with punching a baby. Hey, if the french can do it with Stephano, and the americans with Idra. Why shouldn't we? On a more serious note: Would I have preferred to have seen a full game where they both tried their best. Yes, definitely. Would a trade it for a world where I don't get to see any of Naniwa's games in high stake tournaments? Hell no. Sorry but Stephano have never been openly BM, never left without a message (ok, it's not "gg"), and doesn't act like he's the best player in the world. Oh, and he doesn't bitch about balance when he plays poorly but says he fucked up and it was embarassing. Not really the same character. This was just poor professionalism by Naniwa. His job is not to win tourneys but to make tourneys interesting to watch. Too bad he can't get this.
As far as professionalism goes, I think Stephano's shenanigans with the Complexity deal was considerably worse than what naniwa did today. But you know what? Stephano is such a skilled player, that I'd rather have him pull that stuff and still play, than not.
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naniwas attitude was ridiculous. what a spoiled kid.
EVERYONE wanted to be on that tournament, on his spot. and he takes it and gets owned and then throws away a game? i wanna see him CRUSHED in code s! MAKE IT HAPPEN KOREANS
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Yes, Naniwa did do something stupid but there was ZERO chance of any of them to advance but I dont get the hate,,. And the koreans also seem very unproffesional about this. If Naniwa doesnt want to play a game that doesnt matter anything please let him.
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On December 13 2011 23:33 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:32 elt wrote:On December 13 2011 23:28 Femari wrote:
Okay I have a question to all the people defending Naniwa, what did you think of the CoCa/Byun incident? It was crap and idiotic by both players, some of the same people now spoke out then (e.g. Nestea). They got severely punished by their teams. I don't see your point? The point is if they are all for the punishments CoCa and Byun got and they're defending Naniwa then they're giant hypocrites.
I dont see how that is even remotley the same. What CoCa/Byun did affected the spots for an upcoming GSL right? Finishing on X spot in the blizz cup is not messing something up for another tourney.
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On December 13 2011 23:35 Ponchey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:32 mr_tolkien wrote:On December 13 2011 23:30 Ponchey wrote:On December 13 2011 23:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 13 2011 23:25 Mortal wrote:On December 13 2011 23:24 Waterflow wrote:On December 13 2011 23:20 DarK[A] wrote:
I can't respect a player who just gives up, even when no advancement or prize money is on the line.
You know what my thrown-together volleyball teams record was this past season? 1-32. We won ONE game out of the 33 games we played (11 matches, three games per match.. the one game was against one of the bad teams, too). We showed up most weeks and had to play against kids fresh out of college who had played Division II/III volleyball. Every time we lost the first two games (thus losing the match) did we just stand there and let them serve it out? When we couldn't possibly make the playoffs anymore, did we just not show up to games? No, we showed up and played hard.
It doesn't even have to be a "traditional" sport. When I played CS and Quake competitively, you never saw players just throw games like this... especially not at a high level. When you get spawn killed a bunch of times in a row in Quake and you're all of a sudden down 10-0... do you just AFK or quit the game? No, you try to not get shut out. I remember one CS match we lost the first half like 12-3 or 11-4. We were devastated because we felt like that was our stronger side. But we collected ourselves in the FAR LESS THAN 10 minutes we got, and ended up coming back to tie it and win it in overtime. Did the match matter? Were we going to the playoffs? No. We just didn't want to be remembered as quitters.
I have so much respect for NesTea if that tweet is true. Such dedication to the game and to his career, only to have NaNiWa say "eh, I don't feel like playing right now". awwwwwwww sadface. Pffff.. grow the F up. The game was pointless. They can meet again when it actually matters. Quit being a melodramatic baby. Go to respond, see "Sweden." Nevermind No kidding.. swedish fans are insanely devoted it seems. Naniwa could probably get away with punching a baby. Hey, if the french can do it with Stephano, and the americans with Idra. Why shouldn't we? On a more serious note: Would I have preferred to have seen a full game where they both tried their best. Yes, definitely. Would a trade it for a world where I don't get to see any of Naniwa's games in high stake tournaments? Hell no. Sorry but Stephano have never been openly BM, never left without a message (ok, it's not "gg"), and doesn't act like he's the best player in the world. Oh, and he doesn't bitch about balance when he plays poorly but says he fucked up and it was embarassing. Not really the same character. This was just poor professionalism by Naniwa. His job is not to win tourneys but to make tourneys interesting to watch. Too bad he can't get this. As far as professionalism goes, I think Stephano's shenanigans with the Complexity deal was considerably worse than what naniwa did today. But you know what? Stephano is such a skilled player, that I'd rather have him pull that stuff and still play, than not.
Did the Complexity problem ever hinder your spectator experience ? No. End of story, it's not an important fact in the story of SC2 as it was a «behind the scene» problem.
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On December 13 2011 23:34 elt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:33 Femari wrote:On December 13 2011 23:32 elt wrote:On December 13 2011 23:28 Femari wrote:
Okay I have a question to all the people defending Naniwa, what did you think of the CoCa/Byun incident? It was crap and idiotic by both players, some of the same people now spoke out then (e.g. Nestea). They got severely punished by their teams. I don't see your point? The point is if they are all for the punishments CoCa and Byun got and they're defending Naniwa then they're giant hypocrites. Oh shit, I completely misread your post sorry -.-;; Now I look like a dumbass...
lol it's okay.
Ive done the same thing before.
My point is if they are for throwing games then okay I will respect that opinion, if they're just defending Naniwa then they should be ignored.
On December 13 2011 23:36 hALLE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:33 Femari wrote:On December 13 2011 23:32 elt wrote:On December 13 2011 23:28 Femari wrote:
Okay I have a question to all the people defending Naniwa, what did you think of the CoCa/Byun incident? It was crap and idiotic by both players, some of the same people now spoke out then (e.g. Nestea). They got severely punished by their teams. I don't see your point? The point is if they are all for the punishments CoCa and Byun got and they're defending Naniwa then they're giant hypocrites. I dont see how that is even remotley the same. What CoCa/Byun did affected the spots for an upcoming GSL right? Finishing on X spot in the blizz cup is not messing something up for another tourney.
Normally there was a possibly GSL spot on the line but for that tournament there wasn't at the time.
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Re-Tweeted, Quoted.
Tyler always a breath of fresh air.
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