EPTNestea vs Naniwa Korean Twitterstorm - Page 27
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:42 Presidenten wrote: jesus maria.... byun vs coca was not pointless coz it could lead to a code a/s (dont know which) spot, and nani vs nestea on the other hand was completely and utterly pointless It was because there was no deal for new spots for 2012. Mr. Chae himself stated this when the event happened. This is well known. It's been known for a long time that at the time of the tournament there was no spot on the line at all. | ||
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Nadarath
98 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:41 BadgerBadger8264 wrote: While some people are definitely overreacting, if this kind of attitude becomes common in starcraft a lot of games would become very boring. A lot of matches are played "just for show" instead of for money and this attitude hurts all those games. What he did is in no way good for starcraft or the GSL. By worker rushing he flat out disrespected his fans. Does that mean he should lose his tournament spot? No. Does that mean he deserves all the hate he's getting? No. Does that mean he should seriously work on his attitude because it's really hurting his image? Hell yes. Just because someone does something right (occasionally plays entertaining games) does not mean he should be immediately excused of everything bad he does. People gave Stephano a lot of flack for that Complexity business because he was simply acting unprofessional, the same happened with IdrA when he was BMing everyone; just like they're giving Naniwa a lot of flack for acting unprofessional now. It's very justified. I as Naniwa fan dont feel offended at all. I think only ones offended in this whole history are Nestea fans. And only because Naniwa didnt give them chance to gloat how Nestea is awesome by wining against Nestea (if he would have won). Honestly i dont like Korean culture. For me its full of bullshit hidden behind tradition. | ||
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:46 Nadarath wrote: I as Naniwa fan dont feel offended at all. I think only ones offended in this whole history are Nestea fans. And only because Naniwa didnt give them chance to gloat how Nestea is awesome by wining against Nestea (if he would have won). Honestly i dont like Korean culture. For me its full of bullshit hidden behind tradition. Yes, because suddenly you have become an expert of understanding the nooks and crannies of the Korean culture. | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
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Waterflow
Sweden1550 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:44 Angel_ wrote: Beyond this, It's silly to argue with fanboys for naniwa, just like it was silly to argue with any other fanboy to see things rationally. But aside from that, there is a standard for professionalism. And it's a standard that in general, koreans take very very seriously. It's something I wish we took as seriously. All the people defending such actions...I don't understand. That doesn't mean anyone should really go out of their way just to badmouth someone ever, but to defend his actions and behavior either shows a lot of willful blindness, or a completely different view on how "serious" and legitimate esports is trying to be. Then maybe the organizers should think about not making the players have to play a match that is totally pointless for the players since it doesn't lead to any advancement for any of the players. That's exactly what it is. Pointless. A fight for nothing. | ||
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Umilard
Sweden38 Posts
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
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BadgerBadger8264
Netherlands409 Posts
I as Naniwa fan dont feel offended at all. I think only ones offended in this whole history are Nestea fans. And only because Naniwa didnt give them chance to gloat how Nestea is awesome by wining against Nestea (if he would have won). Honestly i dont like Korean culture. For me its full of bullshit hidden behind tradition. It's cool that you don't feel "offended", but he is still dissapointing a lot of people. A lot of other (deserving) pro gamers could be in this high profile tournament instead of Naniwa and a lot of people paid or stayed up late to watch him play, and he's disrespecting every single one of those people. Regardless of if you feel "offended", you would've rather seen him play out his game and it's simply unprofessional not to do this. And good job on shitting on an entire culture in one sentence. But don't worry, I personally don't feel offended by you offending Korean culture, so because one person doesn't it's probably alright. | ||
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Eggah
Australia12 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:38 muffinsssss wrote: It's a pro players job to always try and provide entertaining games. Just because the game doesn't affect the outcome of this single tournament doesn't mean there shouldn't be repercussions to his actions. Naniwa doesn't give a shit about his fans, or really anyone else besides himself. I personally wouldn't ever rage about something like this, but the fact that he still has fan boys is hilarious. Nah actually its a pro players job to WIN games... everything else comes secondary truth be told.... and Naniwa on many occasions has thanked his fans.. I am a fan personally and I thought it was hilarious... I suppose you either love him or love to hate him  | ||
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
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raheelp
United States54 Posts
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Disposition1989
Canada270 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:59 Waterflow wrote: "is not even close to being okay" lol. NaNiwa can do whatever he wants dude. And people can bitch about it how much they want. Atleast he is being himself and not some phony. He has guts. You make it sound like he did something really bad ^^ wich he didn't. are you saying that playing a 2 minute game where you picked a "strategy" that had no chance of winning in an invite only tournament that 8 people in the world were invited to where most of them have won multiple tournaments, being one of only two non koreans is something NOT bad for his image as a professional gamer and his team's? he's living in a country where people highly prioritize showing respect for others, especially elders in a match being streamed across the globe and just because he was already mathematically eliminated, he should give up the chance to play a televised match against arguably the top zerg in the world in a very hyped up match to avoid being phony? like so many people have already said, their culture is big on respect, "i just want to show good games" is like the most common phrase ever. he isnt just playing football at recess against the 7th graders | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:48 Waterflow wrote: Then maybe the organizers should think about not making the players have to play a match that is totally pointless for the players since it doesn't lead to any advancement for any of the players. That's exactly what it is. Pointless. A fight for nothing. Their tourney, their rules. If the players don't like it, they don't have to sign up for them. Nobody forced Nani to play in the tourney, he did it cause he wants to show the world he is the best. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:48 Waterflow wrote: Then maybe the organizers should think about not making the players have to play a match that is totally pointless for the players since it doesn't lead to any advancement for any of the players. That's exactly what it is. Pointless. A fight for nothing. Maybe Naniwa shouldn't agree to those terms then. | ||
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Ostby
Norway38 Posts
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Pehrfect
Sweden13 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:41 BadgerBadger8264 wrote: ... What he did is in no way good for starcraft or the GSL. By worker rushing he flat out disrespected his fans. ... Should it really be up to the players to always try to do what's "good for starcraft or the GSL"? I can agree that this was probably not good for GOM/GSL, but in an international tournament like this, maybe GOM should have considered not showing games that don't matter in case something like this would happen. Considering Naniwas fans, don't they realize this is his personality? Why support someone whose character you so fervently dislike? | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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hALLE
Sweden19 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:46 Nadarath wrote: Honestly i dont like Korean culture. For me its full of bullshit hidden behind tradition. Just quoting this for some extra attention. The shit he gets from the team twitters such as MVPs is redonk. How can they even say stuff like that about a fellow player. Also I dont see people giving others nearly enough shit about the same thing. If I'm not mistaken Idra almost never plays out his placement matches at MLGs and such and that is what this game was right? A placement match. | ||
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romanov
Netherlands892 Posts
오늘 경기를 보고 할말을 잃었다 정말 프로라는 단어를 알기는 하는걸까 나의 프로패셔널 마인드의 롤모델은 화이트라 아저씨다. 팬들을 정말 사랑하며 정말 끝까지 경기를 포기하지않고 모든사람에게 친절하다. 화이트라 아저씨를 싫어하는사람이 있을까? Edit this to: 나니와가 화이트라 아저씨를 보고 좀 마인드를 바꿨으면 좋겠다. 상대방 생각도안하고 그런식의 행동은 올바르지 않다고생각한다. 만약 내가 3승0패 1위진출확정이고 나니와가 0승3패인데 난 어차피 1위니까 너랑 게임 안해라고 하고 시작하자마자 gg치면 2nd edit ^^: 자신의 기분이 어떨지는 생각했으면 좋겠다. 뭐 돈이 안걸려있으니까 상관없다라고하면 더이상 해줄말은 없다 그냥 너는 프로가 아니다라는 말만 해주고싶을뿐. 나니와를 보며 어제 지고나서 정말 분해하던 현덕이형이 정말 멋있게 느껴질뿐이다. Anybody that can translate? | ||
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