Nestea vs Naniwa Korean Twitterstorm - Page 27

On December 13 2011 23:40 Femari wrote:

They both threw the match. Both matches were pointless.

I don't see where you're coming from. It's the same thing. It's throwing a game.

Or we're just slightly more rational than everyone else
I have to agree with Tylers tweet. Some people seem to think that "if he had atleast done a proxy 10 Gate, it would be okay". In my mind that makes no difference. That's just enjoying the illusion of competition. Naniwa just took things to their logical conclusion.

On December 13 2011 23:41 BadgerBadger8264 wrote:

While some people are definitely overreacting, if this kind of attitude becomes common in starcraft a lot of games would become very boring. A lot of matches are played "just for show" instead of for money and this attitude hurts all those games. What he did is in no way good for starcraft or the GSL. By worker rushing he flat out disrespected his fans.

Does that mean he should lose his tournament spot? No.
Does that mean he deserves all the hate he's getting? No.
Does that mean he should seriously work on his attitude because it's really hurting his image? Hell yes.

Just because someone does something right (occasionally plays entertaining games) does not mean he should be immediately excused of everything bad he does. People gave Stephano a lot of flack for that Complexity business because he was simply acting unprofessional, the same happened with IdrA when he was BMing everyone; just like they're giving Naniwa a lot of flack for acting unprofessional now. It's very justified.

On December 13 2011 23:38 MildSeven wrote:
Understanding this from the Korean perspective, what Naniwa did was absolutely taboo, because of the long Korean tradition and emphasis on trying your best even when it didn't affect results. Consider this, what would Boxer or NaDa do, look at HerO as well, trying his hardest even though he ended up 0-4 anyways. I personally can understand the rationale behind Naniwa's move, but if we look at this from a broader scope of what Esports means to the Korean culture, what the integrity of each game is to them, then this is more serious than it seems.

I think it's also really sad many people here replied things such as "fuck esports mainstream bullshit", or "are you mad?" (to those who frown upon Naniwa's actions) and supporting Naniwa's actions in the most cliche "he's so badass, i am so counter-culture for supporting him"-attitude. I for one really enjoying each and every game, even when not much is on the line, because when I watch the GSL, i usually know for a fact that players do try even when nothing much is on the line. Like MC fighting his little heart out against DRG even though he would have gone through either way.

On December 13 2011 22:54 Vond wrote:


It's not the fact that he proberushed. It's a cheese that can sometimes work. But a-moving the probes and then taking your hands off your keyboard in protest is not even close to being okay.

On December 13 2011 23:44 Angel_ wrote:



Beyond this,

It's silly to argue with fanboys for naniwa, just like it was silly to argue with any other fanboy to see things rationally.

But aside from that, there is a standard for professionalism. And it's a standard that in general, koreans take very very seriously. It's something I wish we took as seriously. All the people defending such actions...I don't understand.

That doesn't mean anyone should really go out of their way just to badmouth someone ever, but to defend his actions and behavior either shows a lot of willful blindness, or a completely different view on how "serious" and legitimate esports is trying to be.

On December 13 2011 23:44 Angel_ wrote:



Beyond this,

It's silly to argue with fanboys for naniwa, just like it was silly to argue with any other fanboy to see things rationally.

But aside from that, there is a standard for professionalism. And it's a standard that in general, koreans take very very seriously. It's something I wish we took as seriously. All the people defending such actions...I don't understand.

That doesn't mean anyone should really go out of their way just to badmouth someone ever, but to defend his actions and behavior either shows a lot of willful blindness, or a completely different view on how "serious" and legitimate esports is trying to be.