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DreamChaser
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On December 11 2011 07:20 Hurricane wrote: Playing terran like idra is... interesting + Show Spoiler + HAHA was thinking that. But you can't be a Terran Idra in SC2 because you can't say "Place a respectable race with skill" | ||
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DNB
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TG Manny
United States325 Posts
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Inside.Out
Canada569 Posts
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TG Manny
United States325 Posts
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
On December 11 2011 10:06 DNB wrote: Isn't Terran IdrA an oxymoron? Not really, it's just 2009. | ||
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TG Manny
United States325 Posts
10-5. Measily 66% winrate but got stronger through the end of the day. Switched to very drop heavy play and abused a few zergs (85 drone kills in one particular match). Started seeing platinum opponents too, which were good games instead of 2 minute delayed 4gates. I end up floating lots of resources, so I need to hammer out how to use excess minerals once my worker count beefs up in the mid game. Until tomorrow, TL. bye! | ||
fusefuse
Estonia4644 Posts
Currently: Online, trying to fix games. the terran savior? | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
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MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
On December 11 2011 09:56 DreamChaser wrote: But you can't be a Terran Idra in SC2 because you can't say "Place a respectable race with skill" You certainly can. Idra did that for years before finally giving up and switching to zerg. | ||
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TG Manny
United States325 Posts
Played 4 games so far, 3-1. Lost to an early immortal timing vs toss and didn't produce very well. Starting to get some neuance to the opener I've been using for a fast drop and focus on barracks units. Several zergs raged when their flock of mutas couldn't kill 8 2-2 marines being healed by a medivac. And that I could 'outproduce' them. I laughed when I was ahead in bases. Issues with my mechanics: -Still getting supply blocked. Not used to having so much so fast. -Running low on one resource or the other. Not sure if I've overmade production or not made enough workers. Usually lasts 1-2 minutes then eases up AFTER adding a rax or two. -microing marines in larger numbers to force cost ineffective banes against ~20-30 banelings rolling into my 'ball'. - getting upgrades later than I like. I need to map my gas useage to see if I can get +1 starting as my expo begins to mine. | ||
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phershey
United States62 Posts
YOU MUST DO THIS Watch the replay. I repeat...watch the replay. Hover over your CCs and see how many times you aren't training scvs. See how often you aren't training units. Did you miss the 54th supply depot again? (all terrans do). Be a complete hater. Note all the things you could have done better to get a quicker max. Then. Do it again. Watch replay. Keep trying to beat your best Max time score. After a while. Make a banshee and control it as you macro. That will help with multitasking while macroing. You're brain needs you to do this over and over so it's like driving. You do 50 things every minute while you drive and its all second nature. The thing is you can't do a 200 build exactly the same, but as you practice this over and over you'll develop a rhythm. All of a sudden you're get the urge to build supply depots on time. You'll just sense its time to Maynard workers to an unsaturated base. I've been getting a lot of flack on my blog about this build. But here are a couple that I did on the ladder. My main account is Plat. My "smurf" is somehow better at Diamond. and my Korean account is Plat. To give you some benchmarks. I'm a diamondish level player. My 200 max bio build is 15:39 in game. http://drop.sc/71854 http://drop.sc/71654 Losira did a max build around 12:50 at MLG prov. He's obviously GM Korean Pro zerg. I kind of just go SlayerSGanzi style and don't scout. I know, I'm out producing my opponent so no matter when he attacks I'm have a better army. (at least on my Plat account). Eventually I'll be in a league where everyone is macroing as well. But for you, if you could get a 17minute max in Silver, I think you'll have the mechanics to play Idra style. BTW. I'm not saying turtle up, max out and attack every game...though that actually is a terran tactic. It's just an abilty you should have as you play normal games. You still have to scout and harrass. Hope this helps. I know its frustrating to hear "macro harder" without an actual method to do so. Also try Darglein Multitasker trainer and Macro or Die maps on custom games. pHershey signing out. | ||
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TG Manny
United States325 Posts
Drop play will still be the center of the gameplan, stressing out the opponent, stressing out my own micro capability (while macroing), and keeping map control while keeping probe/drone/SCV counts in check. Ideally, I want to be able to cripple production via killing tech, facilities, and not having resources to support remaxing. I want to force them to try and "base trade" but never engage full strength armies. | ||
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phershey
United States62 Posts
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TG Manny
United States325 Posts
Been working on marine micro vs mass bane balls via micro trainer as well as 8 marine kiting lings for max damage. Both, I feel, are probably good for keeping myself cost effective vZ. | ||
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RoboBob
United States798 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:35 phershey wrote: You should download Dignitas Select replays. He is a drop master. My favorite NA terran. I also recommend "Selectdrophero", I believe he was silver leaguer featured in one of Day9's dailies  | ||
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RoboBob
United States798 Posts
On December 12 2011 11:56 TG Manny wrote: Will do! Any other players that you recommend for drop/bio play vAll? I know Bomber has amazing early marine pressure but prefers not to drop (afaik) and I believe MMA drops a TON when the airspace is clear. Been working on marine micro vs mass bane balls via micro trainer as well as 8 marine kiting lings for max damage. Both, I feel, are probably good for keeping myself cost effective vZ. Crazy good biodrop micro: Koreans: Marineking (obv), Polt, MMA Westerners: QXC, Demuslim, Select Something to keep in mind is not to waste too much time on marine micro. At Silver you're much better off by focusing on how to macro up an extra Tank instead. I didn't bother learning to split Marines until high diamond. And even then it didnt make that big of a difference on my overall play. Stuff like solid macro, spotting expansions, and making correct decisions are *much* more important. Theres no need to learn how to micro against a gigantic Baneling ball with Marines if you learn how to macro up better units instead. Also, if you learn how to kill the Z while he's droning, you'll never let the Zerg get gigantic Baneling ball in the first place. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 12 2011 02:55 MasterOfChaos wrote: You certainly can. Idra did that for years before finally giving up and switching to zerg. Funny how both idra and artosis did the same thing hint hint hint | ||
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TG Manny
United States325 Posts
On December 12 2011 14:20 RoboBob wrote: Crazy good biodrop micro: Koreans: Marineking (obv), Polt, MMA Westerners: QXC, Demuslim, Select Something to keep in mind is not to waste too much time on marine micro. At Silver you're much better off by focusing on how to macro up an extra Tank instead. I didn't bother learning to split Marines until high diamond. And even then it didnt make that big of a difference on my overall play. Stuff like solid macro, spotting expansions, and making correct decisions are *much* more important. Theres no need to learn how to micro against a gigantic Baneling ball with Marines if you learn how to macro up better units instead. Also, if you learn how to kill the Z while he's droning, you'll never let the Zerg get gigantic Baneling ball in the first place. I really appreciate your posts, I hope you check back soon!! Currently facing off on Plat opponents, maybe I'm up to gold once my activity kicks in? As an update to my current style: I am learning to play bio+viking/medi play only. A coach that I was seeing said this is probably going to be the most taxing to my multitasking (currently one of my goals) as well as make sure I stay agressive (which is why my games ran long). Macroing out of the factory will be easy. Playing drops forces me to scout weakspots in the base/know there is a 3rd up/new tech coming out. He said expect to lose against late-game toss if you can't micro ghosts (and I can't) and to get pretty high winrates vZ. vT I've won almost every game because of superior macro (upgrades, more medivacs, and more marines) and being able to expand out the wazoo and wait for him to starve himself out in some cases. As far as my micro/macro approach...well I would only stutter step (poorly) before I learned about patrol moving to spread when I know a bane ball is coming at me. (which is usually the last resort against a bigger drop or a knock on the front door). P.S. 3-3 marines at 15 minutes kick ass. | ||
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