EPTCheese is in the eyes of the beholder... - Page 2
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Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
But this is a special case because you're in bronze league and your opponent will probably not be able to make the right decisions or even have the right build order to outright shut it down if he had played standard. Standard in Bronze is definitely not standard in Masters, that's why its tough to label your strats as cheese or not haha. Going by my definition of cheese, yes indeed your zerg and terran strats are cheese or "all-in". All-in is the nicer term to use but they're pretty damn similar. I think cheese is better used for the super early game strats like 6pool, worker rush, cannon rush, etc. All-in is like the fancy gentleman trying to swindle you, while cheese can be the fat drunk guy trying to hook up with the hot chick at the bar while she's wasted. | ||
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WickedSkies
Netherlands81 Posts
On November 16 2011 20:19 TheGiftedApe wrote: Your terran build is cheesy as hell sharp cheddar with a side of mozzarella, your zerg build is moderate cheese, your toss build isn't really cheese at all imo. In starcraft there is a thing called the "metagame", this is baisically what does your average user do, and what are the most popular builds. Your standard terran is going to 1 or 2 rax expand, that is the standard opening for a macro game, just as zerg will either hatch first or speedling too hatch, and protoss will 2-3gate expo or FFE. When you deviate far from this metagame people tend to get pissed off cause they wanted to play a standard game. Ofcourse deviating from the metagame is not a bad thing per se, but deviating it to go proxy 2 gate is cheese, deviating from the metagame in the late game is just smart and not cheese at all. So if your average terran user is making 1-2 barracks before command center, making 5 barracks before command center is very cheesy, as you're sacrificing any chance you have at winning a late game for doing an early attack. Pretty much any attack that comes before 5 minute mark in the game is cheese. Using a structure that is designed for defense as an offensive weapon is cheese, ie cannon rushing. Things like dt, void ray, banshee, aren't cheese, they simply do what they are designed to do, while they are cheesey, they aren't pure cheese. Cheese is sitting on 1 base and basically making units and mining that base out and going 1a accross the map. If you are thinking to yourself, well fuck I have no idea, but I hope this is going to work, your probably cheesing. This fool in this thread wickedskies needs to stfu dont listen to him, you can say tomato/tomatoh, or potato/potatoh, but you cant call a fucking donkey a zebra. Here are some confirmed cheese builds: cannon rush proxy 2 gates zealot rush 5-6 rax 1 base terran marine 3-6 rax marine scv all-in 6pool 7pool 8pool 9pool shit any pool that comes before 14 if its not zvz imo. That being said, in bronze league other than 6pool/proxygate/marine scv all-in nothing is really cheese. On a personal note though, you seem to be focused a lot on killing your opponent in 5-7 minutes, try playing some longer games, all the good timings come after 10 minutes. Instead of making 5 rax, try two rax and expand, defend your expo, and then go up to 5 rax and some tech/upgrades and attack. Did you just call me a fool in TL? Did you just tell me to stfu? Did you just blatantly disregard my opinion, without providing solid arguments? Your post, sir, is a disgrace for TL and in my honest opinion, does not even deserve my reply. TL is a place for discussion, and not for insults and rage. Donkey or zebra, eco cheese is still cheese and should be crushed as such by executing a meticulously prepared all in so the poor cheeser doesn't know what hit him and gets rid of this naughty habit. All in all, I just wonder why any people in any league feel like they are entitled to a longer game. If you are that outright stupid and do 1 gate Nexus on close positions vs a terran/zerg/toss, what do you expect, roses? If I can end it in 1 minute, I will, and it is the eco cheeser's stupidity that makes that possible for me. So, good luck on ladder cheesing. I prefer solid openings with thought behind them. | ||
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DISHU
United Kingdom348 Posts
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acrimoneyius
United States983 Posts
On November 16 2011 05:04 intrigue wrote: it doesn't matter what you regard it as, those things plain and simple aren't cheese. you don't just assign random strategies you don't like playing against as cheese rofl What intrigue said. Also, there is no such thing as "most defensive race". You can play defensively or aggressively as any race... Maybe you were struggling to find the word resilient? | ||
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