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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
November 14 2011 02:08 GMT
#41
I'd recommend starting out with Morrowind, I much preferred it to Oblivion and I haven't played enough Skyrim yet to comment on that.
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searcher
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
277 Posts
November 14 2011 02:10 GMT
#42
Highly relevant for this thread: Morrowind Modding Guide.
alexhard
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden317 Posts
November 14 2011 02:40 GMT
#43
On November 14 2011 11:05 Meta wrote:
I've only played about 20 hours of Oblivion on PC and after a while I just couldn't stand the horrible UI. Not worth it for PC. I doubt I'll ever touch this series again on PC, unless they fixed the UI significantly. It suffered from what I will call "console syndrome" - nested tabs and no hotkeys makes even the simple task of using potions a huge chore. Not to mention the soul gem mechanic for keeping your weapons enchanted, coupled with the fact that spell casting means switching to the spell you need (from the horrible UI) and then casting the spell with the single spell cast button made the game SO AGGRIVATING to play on a PC. A couple hours of optimization such that more than 8 keys out of the 100+ on a keyboard were used to make shortcuts would have probably kept me playing. But as it stands, I can't help but think how console controllers forced the UI for Oblivion to be completely unintuitive, bulky, and worst of all SLOW. Makes me really resent consoles.

Another game I've played that suffers from console syndrome is Borderlands. Fun game, but a horrible console-optimized UI makes the game unplayable in my opinion.

Anybody know if they fixed this in Skyrim?


It's actually way worse in Skyrim. But of course there's a million things wrong with all the TES games, including horrible bugs, that Bethesda never bothers to fix. That is where the best modding community ever comes in: bug fixes, graphical improvements, UI improvements, etc. Playing vanilla Oblivion is frankly idiotic...

As for the poll, Morrowind competes with PST and BG2 for greatest WRPG ever. Combat is a bit "eh", but the rest is absolutely fantastic and unforgettable.
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 02:45:43
November 14 2011 02:44 GMT
#44
Definitely play the games Morrowind --> Oblivion --> Skyrim.

Oblivion is probably the weakest title of the three but it's not horrible enough to be a "NEVER PLAY THIS GAME" title.
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
November 14 2011 02:54 GMT
#45
never got into morrow wind but I may have been too young at the time. I do enjoy skyrim though! Since its the only one i played I feel its unfair to vote in the poll but skyrim is probably the best choice. Its simple to get started but has depth for those who really know what they are doing. Also the fact its new means you can experience a new game with tons of other people and thats always lots of fun.
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Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
November 14 2011 03:12 GMT
#46
Well I would have initially just autolocked Morrowind, as it is amazing and how I got started on TES in the first place. But haven't played skyrim I must say it's shaping up to be pretty fucking amazing (once I implemented all the UI tweaks to make the game even remotely playable on PC).
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sick_transit
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States195 Posts
November 14 2011 03:22 GMT
#47
Oblivion is a great game.

Morrowind is a great game too. But I don't think it survives the passage of time very well.
War is a drug.
sick_transit
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States195 Posts
November 14 2011 03:23 GMT
#48
On November 14 2011 11:40 alexhard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2011 11:05 Meta wrote:
I've only played about 20 hours of Oblivion on PC and after a while I just couldn't stand the horrible UI. Not worth it for PC. I doubt I'll ever touch this series again on PC, unless they fixed the UI significantly. It suffered from what I will call "console syndrome" - nested tabs and no hotkeys makes even the simple task of using potions a huge chore. Not to mention the soul gem mechanic for keeping your weapons enchanted, coupled with the fact that spell casting means switching to the spell you need (from the horrible UI) and then casting the spell with the single spell cast button made the game SO AGGRIVATING to play on a PC. A couple hours of optimization such that more than 8 keys out of the 100+ on a keyboard were used to make shortcuts would have probably kept me playing. But as it stands, I can't help but think how console controllers forced the UI for Oblivion to be completely unintuitive, bulky, and worst of all SLOW. Makes me really resent consoles.

Another game I've played that suffers from console syndrome is Borderlands. Fun game, but a horrible console-optimized UI makes the game unplayable in my opinion.

Anybody know if they fixed this in Skyrim?


It's actually way worse in Skyrim. But of course there's a million things wrong with all the TES games, including horrible bugs, that Bethesda never bothers to fix. That is where the best modding community ever comes in: bug fixes, graphical improvements, UI improvements, etc. Playing vanilla Oblivion is frankly idiotic...

As for the poll, Morrowind competes with PST and BG2 for greatest WRPG ever. Combat is a bit "eh", but the rest is absolutely fantastic and unforgettable.



I agree the games are optimized for consoles and I can't imagine playing them on PCs.
War is a drug.
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
November 14 2011 04:12 GMT
#49
On November 14 2011 08:36 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So today I was at Moes. I ordered a quesadilla. I told the guy specifically please "only cut it once down the center". He responded with both a nod and a yes sir. I sat back and waited and watched. Someone else took the quesadilla down off of the grill. She set it RIGHT in front of the guy I had warned about the cutting style. He stopped what he was doing and watched as she cut it once down the center. I as an observer was also watching. As someone who wasn't the guy I had previously told was cutting my quesadilla I yell fairly loudly "HEY I ONLY WANT IT CUT ONCE DOWN THE MIDDLE". I say this right as she is beggining the first cut. She looks up from what shes doing, I finish my statement just as she finishes the first cut. She looks me dead in the face and starts cutting it the second time.

The first guy didn't stop her at all. The second person just ignored me. I did not pay for a Quesadilla.

poor sheth
I'm glad you didn't pay for the quesadilla!
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DroneAllDay
Profile Joined April 2011
United States140 Posts
November 14 2011 05:11 GMT
#50
On November 14 2011 08:36 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So today I was at Moes. I ordered a quesadilla. I told the guy specifically please "only cut it once down the center". He responded with both a nod and a yes sir. I sat back and waited and watched. Someone else took the quesadilla down off of the grill. She set it RIGHT in front of the guy I had warned about the cutting style. He stopped what he was doing and watched as she cut it once down the center. I as an observer was also watching. As someone who wasn't the guy I had previously told was cutting my quesadilla I yell fairly loudly "HEY I ONLY WANT IT CUT ONCE DOWN THE MIDDLE". I say this right as she is beggining the first cut. She looks up from what shes doing, I finish my statement just as she finishes the first cut. She looks me dead in the face and starts cutting it the second time.

The first guy didn't stop her at all. The second person just ignored me. I did not pay for a Quesadilla.


Sheth, I'm sorry to tell you but I think you might be in the wrong thread...
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Suisen
Profile Joined April 2011
256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 05:47:40
November 14 2011 05:40 GMT
#51
Daggerfall or Skyrim. The Daggerfall world is much bigger than the worlds in the other games. But you do need a version that isn't buggy as hell. Some bugs would make you fall through floors and deep into dungeons. Also, dungeons are huge mazes. But there was some other bug as well that wouldn't let you complete quests. Don't really remember but something that made it impossible to actually find the item you were supposed to get.

Don't believe people who say Morrowind is so so good and Oblivion is so bad. They are both very similar when compared to Daggerfall or Skyrim. It's just most people started with Morrowind and then Oblivion was a disappointment. Well they don't know people were disappointed with Morrowind in the same way.

Skyrim is an even more consolified and simplified version of the game. But I do think a lot of lessons were learned. It can kind of live up to the ambition that Daggerfall set out with.

Since this is a SC BW site I assume you can handle dated hardcore games that are purely gameplay based. Daggerfall can be given a try.

Also, don't even think about Battlespire. It's very bad.
randommuch
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States370 Posts
November 14 2011 06:10 GMT
#52
On November 14 2011 08:36 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So today I was at Moes. I ordered a quesadilla. I told the guy specifically please "only cut it once down the center". He responded with both a nod and a yes sir. I sat back and waited and watched. Someone else took the quesadilla down off of the grill. She set it RIGHT in front of the guy I had warned about the cutting style. He stopped what he was doing and watched as she cut it once down the center. I as an observer was also watching. As someone who wasn't the guy I had previously told was cutting my quesadilla I yell fairly loudly "HEY I ONLY WANT IT CUT ONCE DOWN THE MIDDLE". I say this right as she is beggining the first cut. She looks up from what shes doing, I finish my statement just as she finishes the first cut. She looks me dead in the face and starts cutting it the second time.

The first guy didn't stop her at all. The second person just ignored me. I did not pay for a Quesadilla.


lol

Morrowind is no doubt my first pick. That game was so awesome, I couldn't even put a number to how many hours I played it. Oblivion just lacked a good oomph in it; I mean the game itself was cool but it was just ridiculously easy and not as captivating as Morrowind. I've yet to play Skyrim and I'm very anxious to go buy it once I get my next pay check =D.

For the first two Elder Scrolls games, I wouldn't recommend them to someone new, they're really hard to get into compared to what's out their nowadays.

As for the OP, play Morrowind first, you'll thank yourself later.

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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
November 14 2011 07:35 GMT
#53
On November 14 2011 11:10 searcher wrote:
Highly relevant for this thread: Morrowind Modding Guide.


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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12360 Posts
November 14 2011 07:57 GMT
#54
I miss the birth star and the race isn't as special as it used to be.
but skyrim is still god damn awesome
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Gofarman
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada645 Posts
November 14 2011 15:35 GMT
#55
On November 14 2011 08:17 overt wrote:
Anyone who votes anything that isn't Morrowind isn't an Elder Scrolls fan. It's like saying Return of the Jedi is better than a New Hope.


I don't know enough to say which one is best since I have only seen Oblivion played and already logged 40+ hours into Skyrim but, I understand your simile and the weight at which you attribute morrowind. With that said I guess I'm gonna have to go and play it now. (after I finish off skyrim ofc :D:D )
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 16:33:15
November 14 2011 16:30 GMT
#56
Oblivion is a very bad game. Idk about the others, from what i have seen on the streams Skyrim seems to be better ( mostly for the design / Gfx / style and the combat ) even if the UI is worse.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 16:47:45
November 14 2011 16:40 GMT
#57
Something that nobody has brought up yet is The Shivering Isles, which was an Oblivion expansion pack. With all the content, it could very well have been a game in itself. One of the reasons I found it so enjoyable was the stronger focus on humor and perhaps my favorite character in the Elder Scrolls Series, Sheogorath.

Jyggalag! He is the Prince of Order. Or biscuits...no, no, Order! And not in a good way. Bleak. Colorless. Dead. Boring, boring, BORING! And not a fan of my work, I can tell you. Hates it, hates me. You've seen his knights. Not the warm and cuddly sort.

I once dug a pit and filled it with clouds....or was it clowns.... it doesn't matter, it didn't slow him down. But it really began to smell! Must have been clowns. Clouds don't smell, they taste of butter. And tears.

Woops! I guess the cat's out of the bag on that one! Who puts cats in bags anyhow? Cats HATE bags.
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
November 14 2011 16:48 GMT
#58
I was going to hold off until Christmas to buy skyrim but then I saw my roommate playing it and I caved. That being said, Morrowind is better but only marginally.
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Soulish
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1403 Posts
November 14 2011 17:16 GMT
#59
On November 14 2011 08:36 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So today I was at Moes. I ordered a quesadilla. I told the guy specifically please "only cut it once down the center". He responded with both a nod and a yes sir. I sat back and waited and watched. Someone else took the quesadilla down off of the grill. She set it RIGHT in front of the guy I had warned about the cutting style. He stopped what he was doing and watched as she cut it once down the center. I as an observer was also watching. As someone who wasn't the guy I had previously told was cutting my quesadilla I yell fairly loudly "HEY I ONLY WANT IT CUT ONCE DOWN THE MIDDLE". I say this right as she is beggining the first cut. She looks up from what shes doing, I finish my statement just as she finishes the first cut. She looks me dead in the face and starts cutting it the second time.

The first guy didn't stop her at all. The second person just ignored me. I did not pay for a Quesadilla.

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NoodleFish
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa198 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 20:05:51
November 14 2011 20:03 GMT
#60
I started typing and got extremely distracted by that quesadilla story. Anyways...

If you're just starting, and wanna work up on the lore, then Morrowind is an amazing game. I was unfortunate enough never to play TES 1 or 2, but was instantly addicted to Morrowind when I first played it. There's just something about that game that keeps me wanting more and more.

True, it's extremely difficult in some stages, and the failed attacks / spell casts can really piss you off. But in the end it grips you and doesn't let go.

The moment I got my hands on Oblivion, I knew that my life had changed. I honestly spent way too much time playing that game, but I always felt that I couldn't get enough. And that's what my fear is for Skyrim. It scares me that I so badly want to do just everything in the game, but I suppose I just won't be able to. Luckily many of my friends are playing it (I just got my GF addicted to the game today) so we can talk about quests and how to do certain things, etc.

But seriously, just play Morrowind for the feel. You can maybe give Oblivion a skip if you want to, but don't ignore Skyrim... It will come after you

Edit: don't know if this has been mentioned, but Daggerfall is freeware now, so you can just download it legally
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