The Elder Scrolls - which game?

On November 14 2011 08:17 overt wrote:
Anyone who votes anything that isn't Morrowind isn't an Elder Scrolls fan. It's like saying Return of the Jedi is better than a New Hope.

On November 14 2011 08:23 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I liked Oblivion and Skyrim. I don't know what's the hate with Oblivion, but I thought it was pretty nice as far as an RPG goes.

On November 14 2011 08:24 vOdToasT wrote:
Thank you everyone for posting and voting! It will help me in making my decision.

On November 14 2011 08:17 overt wrote:
Anyone who votes anything that isn't Morrowind isn't an Elder Scrolls fan. It's like saying Return of the Jedi is better than a New Hope.

On November 14 2011 08:36 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So today I was at Moes. I ordered a quesadilla. I told the guy specifically please "only cut it once down the center". He responded with both a nod and a yes sir. I sat back and waited and watched. Someone else took the quesadilla down off of the grill. She set it RIGHT in front of the guy I had warned about the cutting style. He stopped what he was doing and watched as she cut it once down the center. I as an observer was also watching. As someone who wasn't the guy I had previously told was cutting my quesadilla I yell fairly loudly "HEY I ONLY WANT IT CUT ONCE DOWN THE MIDDLE". I say this right as she is beggining the first cut. She looks up from what shes doing, I finish my statement just as she finishes the first cut. She looks me dead in the face and starts cutting it the second time.

The first guy didn't stop her at all. The second person just ignored me. I did not pay for a Quesadilla.

On November 14 2011 08:36 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So today I was at Moes. I ordered a quesadilla. I told the guy specifically please "only cut it once down the center". He responded with both a nod and a yes sir. I sat back and waited and watched. Someone else took the quesadilla down off of the grill. She set it RIGHT in front of the guy I had warned about the cutting style. He stopped what he was doing and watched as she cut it once down the center. I as an observer was also watching. As someone who wasn't the guy I had previously told was cutting my quesadilla I yell fairly loudly "HEY I ONLY WANT IT CUT ONCE DOWN THE MIDDLE". I say this right as she is beggining the first cut. She looks up from what shes doing, I finish my statement just as she finishes the first cut. She looks me dead in the face and starts cutting it the second time.

The first guy didn't stop her at all. The second person just ignored me. I did not pay for a Quesadilla.

On November 14 2011 08:36 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So today I was at Moes. I ordered a quesadilla. I told the guy specifically please "only cut it once down the center". He responded with both a nod and a yes sir. I sat back and waited and watched. Someone else took the quesadilla down off of the grill. She set it RIGHT in front of the guy I had warned about the cutting style. He stopped what he was doing and watched as she cut it once down the center. I as an observer was also watching. As someone who wasn't the guy I had previously told was cutting my quesadilla I yell fairly loudly "HEY I ONLY WANT IT CUT ONCE DOWN THE MIDDLE". I say this right as she is beggining the first cut. She looks up from what shes doing, I finish my statement just as she finishes the first cut. She looks me dead in the face and starts cutting it the second time.

The first guy didn't stop her at all. The second person just ignored me. I did not pay for a Quesadilla.

On November 14 2011 08:52 Endymion wrote:
oblivion was so much better than morrowind, the graphics in that game remind me of like ffix, they're so bad.. how can you guys play something like that? i'm going back to MW3, enjoy your bad game.

On November 14 2011 08:26 Newbistic wrote:
Why disregard graphics? They're a huge part of TES's immersion.

I've only played Oblivion and Morrowind. Oblivion with custom mods is far superior to Morrowind in terms of stuff you can do, and how fun it is to do said things.

On November 14 2011 08:36 overt wrote:


Morrowind is very tough. If you play Oblivion/Skyrim before Morrowind you likely will never pick up Morrowind as the two later games will spoil you with easy fast travel, way points, and easier gameplay. You could still potentially get into it but it'd be harder. Not to mention if you ask anyone who grew up and played all of the games I think they'll almost unanimously agree that Morrowind is the best of the series. Daggerfall is good too btw, and you can play it for free. It's even more dated than Morrowind though.

I'd recommend playing Morrowind, Oblivion, and then Skyrim. If you want to play the first two you can but I didn't really like Arena and imo Daggerfall is pretty hard to get into if you're new to the series.

The thing about Morrowind is that it's just so incredibly immersive. The world of Morrowind is really creative and feels more like another world entirely rather than a fantasy Medieval Earth. Oblivion got some shit for looking like "Medieval Europe" as far as the landscape and architecture goes and honestly Skyrim kind of suffers from that same problem. In Morrowind? The landscape is pretty different. The architecture for some of the cities is so creative and different from anything in our world. The countryside has various mushroom trees, the Blight storms, Red Mountain, Ashlands, and swamps with pretty unique designs to them.

Finally, there's just a lot of stuff to do in Morrowind. I've heard that both Oblivion and Skyrim are bigger maps (in terms of area) and that there are more quests. While factually that's probably true at least with Oblivion the game actually felt smaller. Morrowind just feels so massive because there are more Factions and the lack of fast travel means you have to go everywhere.

The only thing to recommend is if you play Morrowind you might want to have a notebook and a pencil. You need to find your way around the map and remember a lot of stuff for quests. It's helpful to have something to jot down notes because you don't have way points to help you find things.

I would recommend starting with Morrowind or else starting with Arena. Although Arena/Daggerfall are a lot harder to get into. If you start with Skyrim/Oblivion you'll likely get lazy and never play the first three as they're a lot harder and they don't hold your hand through the game.

On November 14 2011 08:25 Aocowns wrote:

It was decent without mods, and great with mods. But Morrowind was amazing without mods, and insanely fucking epic with mods. So far, Skyrim has been amazingly awesome without mods.

On November 14 2011 08:37 Roe wrote:

return of the jedi is better than a new hope

On November 14 2011 08:52 Endymion wrote:
oblivion was so much better than morrowind, the graphics in that game remind me of like ffix, they're so bad.. how can you guys play something like that? i'm going back to MW3, enjoy your bad game.

On November 14 2011 09:57 Kanil wrote:
Skyrim doesn't even have character stats, classes, or birthsigns for example. But Morrowind's combat involves stabbing at things repeatedly and missing a lot.

On November 14 2011 11:05 Meta wrote:
I've only played about 20 hours of Oblivion on PC and after a while I just couldn't stand the horrible UI. Not worth it for PC. I doubt I'll ever touch this series again on PC, unless they fixed the UI significantly. It suffered from what I will call "console syndrome" - nested tabs and no hotkeys makes even the simple task of using potions a huge chore. Not to mention the soul gem mechanic for keeping your weapons enchanted, coupled with the fact that spell casting means switching to the spell you need (from the horrible UI) and then casting the spell with the single spell cast button made the game SO AGGRIVATING to play on a PC. A couple hours of optimization such that more than 8 keys out of the 100+ on a keyboard were used to make shortcuts would have probably kept me playing. But as it stands, I can't help but think how console controllers forced the UI for Oblivion to be completely unintuitive, bulky, and worst of all SLOW. Makes me really resent consoles.

Another game I've played that suffers from console syndrome is Borderlands. Fun game, but a horrible console-optimized UI makes the game unplayable in my opinion.

Anybody know if they fixed this in Skyrim?

On November 14 2011 11:40 alexhard wrote:


It's actually way worse in Skyrim. But of course there's a million things wrong with all the TES games, including horrible bugs, that Bethesda never bothers to fix. That is where the best modding community ever comes in: bug fixes, graphical improvements, UI improvements, etc. Playing vanilla Oblivion is frankly idiotic...

As for the poll, Morrowind competes with PST and BG2 for greatest WRPG ever. Combat is a bit "eh", but the rest is absolutely fantastic and unforgettable.

On November 14 2011 08:36 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So today I was at Moes. I ordered a quesadilla. I told the guy specifically please "only cut it once down the center". He responded with both a nod and a yes sir. I sat back and waited and watched. Someone else took the quesadilla down off of the grill. She set it RIGHT in front of the guy I had warned about the cutting style. He stopped what he was doing and watched as she cut it once down the center. I as an observer was also watching. As someone who wasn't the guy I had previously told was cutting my quesadilla I yell fairly loudly "HEY I ONLY WANT IT CUT ONCE DOWN THE MIDDLE". I say this right as she is beggining the first cut. She looks up from what shes doing, I finish my statement just as she finishes the first cut. She looks me dead in the face and starts cutting it the second time.

The first guy didn't stop her at all. The second person just ignored me. I did not pay for a Quesadilla.

On November 14 2011 08:36 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So today I was at Moes. I ordered a quesadilla. I told the guy specifically please "only cut it once down the center". He responded with both a nod and a yes sir. I sat back and waited and watched. Someone else took the quesadilla down off of the grill. She set it RIGHT in front of the guy I had warned about the cutting style. He stopped what he was doing and watched as she cut it once down the center. I as an observer was also watching. As someone who wasn't the guy I had previously told was cutting my quesadilla I yell fairly loudly "HEY I ONLY WANT IT CUT ONCE DOWN THE MIDDLE". I say this right as she is beggining the first cut. She looks up from what shes doing, I finish my statement just as she finishes the first cut. She looks me dead in the face and starts cutting it the second time.

The first guy didn't stop her at all. The second person just ignored me. I did not pay for a Quesadilla.

On November 14 2011 08:36 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So today I was at Moes. I ordered a quesadilla. I told the guy specifically please "only cut it once down the center". He responded with both a nod and a yes sir. I sat back and waited and watched. Someone else took the quesadilla down off of the grill. She set it RIGHT in front of the guy I had warned about the cutting style. He stopped what he was doing and watched as she cut it once down the center. I as an observer was also watching. As someone who wasn't the guy I had previously told was cutting my quesadilla I yell fairly loudly "HEY I ONLY WANT IT CUT ONCE DOWN THE MIDDLE". I say this right as she is beggining the first cut. She looks up from what shes doing, I finish my statement just as she finishes the first cut. She looks me dead in the face and starts cutting it the second time.

The first guy didn't stop her at all. The second person just ignored me. I did not pay for a Quesadilla.

On November 14 2011 11:10 searcher wrote:
Highly relevant for this thread: Morrowind Modding Guide.

On November 14 2011 08:17 overt wrote:
Anyone who votes anything that isn't Morrowind isn't an Elder Scrolls fan. It's like saying Return of the Jedi is better than a New Hope.

On November 14 2011 08:36 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So today I was at Moes. I ordered a quesadilla. I told the guy specifically please "only cut it once down the center". He responded with both a nod and a yes sir. I sat back and waited and watched. Someone else took the quesadilla down off of the grill. She set it RIGHT in front of the guy I had warned about the cutting style. He stopped what he was doing and watched as she cut it once down the center. I as an observer was also watching. As someone who wasn't the guy I had previously told was cutting my quesadilla I yell fairly loudly "HEY I ONLY WANT IT CUT ONCE DOWN THE MIDDLE". I say this right as she is beggining the first cut. She looks up from what shes doing, I finish my statement just as she finishes the first cut. She looks me dead in the face and starts cutting it the second time.

The first guy didn't stop her at all. The second person just ignored me. I did not pay for a Quesadilla.