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So at blizzcon I guess I left my account up (i think at the razer station) and some people tanked my MMR. Add that I didn't play for a whole month (moved, blizzcon, lots going on), I fell to diamond in the new season (i still made masters for placement).
So it's interesting playing in diamond. I just figured masters, were, you know, like competent players I suppose. But diamond is just sooo bad, no offense. I just assumed (and I thought I remembered, because I started in bronze after all) that people in diamond at least have a build order. I see people go gateway/forge on 1 base, stargate into 3 gate expands, mass chargelot on 2 base, all sorts of just really, really bad builds. It's like diamonds don't even have a build order. In ZvZs, it's even worse. No one goes mutas (oh wait, except the 1 base muta that is actually quite common, which is as bad as it sounds), and everyone goes roach/hydra. I see lots of mass thor too, and quite a bit of deathball play.
So being in Diamond, I'm also trying some new stuff out while I'm here. I've been trying to really get down Ling/Bane/Muta/Ultra play down, and for a few weeks I was adamant about never making a roach warren or infestation pit (besides fast hive) in ZvZ. Turns out, I learned a lot from that - if someone is stuck on 2 bases, and you are on 6, you might want to just go roach/infestor and just go fucking kill them, because chances are, there 200/200 on 2 base push with roach/infestor, will still come before you have ultras. Yea, that was kind of embarassing.
I've also been learning to hatch first in ZvZ. I know, if you don't hatch first in ZvZ (or dont know how) then you are pretty bad and shouldn't be in masters yet. But it's not like I just picked it up, I've actually been going hatch first for about 2 months now (I held my first 6 pool more than a month ago going hatch first). BUT - I wasn't perfect at it. I see some pros do roach hatch firsts, and I wondered why (I think they are just playing the metagame against people they expect to 14/14 bane... even though hatch first bane is better so i dunno, not many do it anymore but I saw... i think tsl alive do it recently). But still, I was far from perfect at it. Now, I not only hold 6 pools with ease going hatch first, and never lose to 14/14 openings (even if it transitions to banes), but I've been able to hold 10 pools off too. Now, 10 pool 8 drone all in, or 10 pool bane, is a bo loss, no doubt about it. But I've been able to hold 10 pools against people who didn't drag 8 drones or make banes (why in the world you would 10 pool, and then see its a hatch first, and not go banes or 8 drone all-in, i have no idea, but that's diamond for you).
In ZvP I've been trying some very wild, different compositions. I've attempted mutas a few times, and I really hate the style. I mean I love mutas, don't get me wrong, I go spire every game in ZvZ (a few people who've recognized my posts on TL have actually metagamed that, although in those instances I proved them wrong and how solid mutas are) and ZvT (even against mech), but I think it's mostly good on GSL sized, type maps, like crossfire or taldarim. I think it also requires 3 hatch, which I have just yet to try.
I've been getting really good at going fast third, and holding all sorts of bad all-ins that diamond does. Unfortunately, I've been having an actual tough time against diamond protoss who just take a third, and so I think what I need to do is just prepare for 6 gate all-ins by making lots of roaches and lings, and then if I'm not 6 gated, get lair and roach speed and just attack and deny the third. I always see pros do this, but I think I fall back on macro and that's kind of a mistake. I just want the damn viper 
I've lost more games than I should, some from doing very silly things, but for the most part it's extremely easy and my win rate is extremely high. In most of my ZvTs, I actually just contain them on 2 base and then mass spinecrawlers in front of their base after having creeped the entire map. In ZvZ I just hatch first, hold, and then get mutas and own them. I lost a few games going hatch first, getting a roach lead, and trying to pressure right before a full on attack, and I learned you can't roach pressure without banelings (you can retreat from roaches, but not fromt speedlings), so I don't do that anymore. ZvP is really the only match-up that's a challenge in diamond, and I think my ZvP is quite good. I'm not sure what the difference between diamond and masters protoss is (besides the few diamonds who do things like forge on 1 base into gateways, and the lots of 4 gates), but it always comes to a macro game, they get a colossi deathball, and it's a hard fight for a zerg no matter what league you are.
Anyways, just my blog for now. I'll be masters soon enough, but I've been winning so many games in diamond by going mass queen, or mass spines. I even beat a terran going mass spore crawler earlier (he decided to transition from mech to mass viking/ghost i guess).
 
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so basically you're bashing less skilled players. fantastic.
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one of the best brag blogs I have ever read.
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i dropped down to diamond aswell due to not playing much in season 2 and then taking a huge break over season3, and all i can say is, i wish my opponents were as retarded as your's,
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trouble with protoss? try stephanos build...While watching stream i see him go 3 base then lair constantly building queens. Gets a +1 range and pushes creep to their base. when roach speed and +1 finihses, he goes with like 15-20 roaches with like 9 queens and just pushes their base
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Diamond's not that bad. You sure you're not playing silver players?
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Yea man, you're fucking great. Thanks for letting us all know!
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The brag in this blog is disgusting.
Can you please at least provide replays and information on your current position on the Ladder so we can have an idea of what type of Diamond players you are facing? The Diamond league has the most variety to it next to the bronze league (although the skill is more similar in bronze) because there are different tiers in the league. Some of us diamond players play Masters and Mid Master players on a daily basis but have not yet broken the W/L > 50% or possible 60% ratio barrier that keeps us from getting into Masters.
Also please put up a disclaimer in bold lettering saying that you are bragging the shit out of yourself and you think that everyone should lick your feet in your unfathomable greatness.
This is what frustrates me to be in Diamond, condescending comments like this when we are practicing our hearts out to get the next level through the toughest promotion process before the gaggle of bullshit that is Grand Master (making an inference from the reactions of High Master and previous GMs). Just frustrating as hell how inconsiderate people are, not to mention some people who are just out right terrible but still low Masters.
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so basically you're bashing less skilled players. fantastic.
There's plenty of half decent diamonds. I guess there's just of lot of variety in skill in diamond.
trouble with protoss? try stephanos build...While watching stream i see him go 3 base then lair constantly building queens. Gets a +1 range and pushes creep to their base. when roach speed and +1 finihses, he goes with like 15-20 roaches with like 9 queens and just pushes their base
You only go 3 base when protoss FFE, and I do do that. I don't like stephano's roach/hydra/corruptor play, and besides his (impressive) few, and recent, tournament results, I haven't been impressed by his play particularly. Just another roach/hydra/corruptor player. He does well because he goes fast third and how he expands is very good, but I don't like his strategy/unit choices.
Maybe you'll have to give a replay of what you are talking about, I haven't heard of that specifically, of +1 roach/9queen push...
Yea man, you're fucking great. Thanks for letting us all know!
Your missing the point of the blog, and it's my blog. It's what I feel atm, it's where I am. If you don't like me/my blog, cool. I'll be sure to take your feelings into account next time.
I just lost a game to protoss who did a ramp block on me. So you know, there's stuff like that.
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I've also been learning to hatch first in ZvZ. I know, if you don't hatch first in ZvZ (or dont know how) then you are pretty bad and shouldn't be in masters yet.
What?
And if you're holding 6 pools going hatch first, either you're God or diamond is as bad as you say.
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hatch first beats 6 pool. there's plenty of diamonds who've posted replays here talking about how to hold 6 pool with hatch first. You can be fancy and micro like losira, but you can also just pull your drones from your mineral line into the open, and just a-move. That's really all it takes to beat 6 pool with hatch first. Even if they pull every drone, you'll win with an a-move. You will even beat 10 pools no drones and 8 pools with an a-move. You don't need godly micro to do it. 6 pooler will have to micro his ass off to hope to do more damage, but the hatch first player just has to a-move. If 6 pooler dances back to avoid disfavorable engagement, you will have 6 lings, a queen, and a spine making after cancelling the hatch in repsonse. Then you win.
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On November 07 2011 06:13 virpi wrote:
so basically you're bashing less skilled players. fantastic.
...This....
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On November 07 2011 06:29 Belial88 wrote:
hatch first beats 6 pool. there's plenty of diamonds who've posted replays here talking about how to hold 6 pool with hatch first. You can be fancy and micro like losira, but you can also just pull your drones from your mineral line into the open, and just a-move. That's really all it takes to beat 6 pool with hatch first. Even if they pull every drone, you'll win with an a-move. You will even beat 10 pools no drones and 8 pools with an a-move. You don't need godly micro to do it. 6 pooler will have to micro his ass off to hope to do more damage, but the hatch first player just has to a-move. If 6 pooler dances back to avoid disfavorable engagement, you will have 6 lings, a queen, and a spine making after cancelling the hatch in repsonse. Then you win.
If this were true, there would be absolutely no reason to 6 pool. Might work on some maps, but definitely not all.
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Can you please at least provide replays and information on your current position on the Ladder so we can have an idea of what type of Diamond players you are facing? The Diamond league has the most variety to it next to the bronze league (although the skill is more similar in bronze) because there are different tiers in the league. Some of us diamond players play Masters and Mid Master players on a daily basis but have not yet broken the W/L > 50% or possible 60% ratio barrier that keeps us from getting into Masters.
I'll be sure to find some. I'll definitely save the replay where the guy went 2 base... something, and i massed spines and spores.
This is what frustrates me to be in Diamond, condescending comments like this when we are practicing our hearts out to get the next level through the toughest promotion process before the gaggle of bullshit that is Grand Master (making an inference from the reactions of High Master and previous GMs). Just frustrating as hell how inconsiderate people are, not to mention some people who are just out right terrible but still low Masters.
The variety in masters is just as much as diamond, I suppose. Low masters is sooo much worse than mid-masters. But I'm pretty sure everyone in masters at least has some kind of build going (ffe, etc) and goes some kind of standard unit composition (no marine/viking or mass carriers). If you are in diamond and facing masters and think you play well, you probably just have a few very easy, very simple mistakes to correct and you'll be in masters in no time. It's not hard to get to masters.
Not trying to be condescending, I face a decent number of players who are diamond that are okay, just the same as some low masters. But there's a surprising number of people who do forge/gateway 1 base builds, 1 gate stargate 3 gate into expand, and such bad things, as well as the number of people hwo just 4 gate or 6 rax or 7rr.
If this were true, there would be absolutely no reason to 6 pool. Might work on some maps, but definitely not all.
There isn't. That's why you don't see 6 pool in pro ZvZ anymore. There's quite a few GSL games where 6 pool has been held by hatch first.
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Yup. Diamond players all have a tiny dick, and yours is big enough to impregnate Hagrid's mum. Done now?
I play in Platinum due to a long period of inactivity, and yeah, a lot of players don't have a clear strategy in mind. That is why they are in Platinum. I have really bad APM, don't get to play often and get distracted easily, so I haven't moved back up the leagues. There are also barely any players where I live. I find it fun to try and make up for my poor speed with better decision-making and thinking on my feet against players who are faster than me gives me a buzz. I am probably smarter than my opponents. But I don't make blogs about how shit they are.
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I know some people see this as a brag thread, but it actually put me in mind of an old Day9 podcast... before he started doing video casts. Why You Should Play Against Worse Players The main reason is trying news styles of play against not so good players. If you only play against better players, new styles will get crushed before you find its actual use by perfecting them.
Originally found: Day[9] Podcasts
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If you don't like my blog, than don't read it. It's where I'm at, a midmasters who's in diamond. I'm just posting saying I'm surprised by what I see in a league I was just in, and what I'm doing with the... opportunity, that I have.
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On November 07 2011 06:37 Belial88 wrote:
If you don't like my blog, than don't read it. It's where I'm at, a midmasters who's in diamond. I'm just posting saying I'm surprised by what I see in a league I was just in, and what I'm doing with the... opportunity, that I have.
You could have just said "since my mechanics are at a higher level than the people I am playing due to my MMR being lowered by others, I am trying out creative builds and practicing the following things" rather than talking about how bad everyone else is. While you clarify that you aren't addressing all diamonds in later posts, the OP does sound like you are just bragging.
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On November 07 2011 06:37 Belial88 wrote:
If you don't like my blog, than don't read it. It's where I'm at, a midmasters who's in diamond. I'm just posting saying I'm surprised by what I see in a league I was just in, and what I'm doing with the... opportunity, that I have.
I used to say that about myself. I was beating masters players left right and centre on Ladder, but then when I got promoted ot masters, and actually played mid/high masters I realized I'm not actually all that good. I think the same is with you. If you're holding 6 pools at masters level with hatch first, especially with all drones pulled, your control must be THE best in the world. Give me the replays, I must learn!
TL;DR You're not masters for a reason.
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Rank isn't really shit to care about.... I get the thrashing of the lower league guys, but that's why they are there. They need to practice and focus on build orders and mechanics at that point and that's the difference between a mid master and a high diamond. I prefer off ladder practice. That way i know my friend is going a legitimate build that works and i can practice on how to hold it and win. Much better practice. Although i do have to say, quite a bit of the pros do some wonky stuff during tournaments that you would probably refer to as "bad builds". Do whatever you can to win.
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