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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 21:10:16
November 06 2011 21:08 GMT
#1
So at blizzcon I guess I left my account up (i think at the razer station) and some people tanked my MMR. Add that I didn't play for a whole month (moved, blizzcon, lots going on), I fell to diamond in the new season (i still made masters for placement).

So it's interesting playing in diamond. I just figured masters, were, you know, like competent players I suppose. But diamond is just sooo bad, no offense. I just assumed (and I thought I remembered, because I started in bronze after all) that people in diamond at least have a build order. I see people go gateway/forge on 1 base, stargate into 3 gate expands, mass chargelot on 2 base, all sorts of just really, really bad builds. It's like diamonds don't even have a build order. In ZvZs, it's even worse. No one goes mutas (oh wait, except the 1 base muta that is actually quite common, which is as bad as it sounds), and everyone goes roach/hydra. I see lots of mass thor too, and quite a bit of deathball play.

So being in Diamond, I'm also trying some new stuff out while I'm here. I've been trying to really get down Ling/Bane/Muta/Ultra play down, and for a few weeks I was adamant about never making a roach warren or infestation pit (besides fast hive) in ZvZ. Turns out, I learned a lot from that - if someone is stuck on 2 bases, and you are on 6, you might want to just go roach/infestor and just go fucking kill them, because chances are, there 200/200 on 2 base push with roach/infestor, will still come before you have ultras. Yea, that was kind of embarassing.

I've also been learning to hatch first in ZvZ. I know, if you don't hatch first in ZvZ (or dont know how) then you are pretty bad and shouldn't be in masters yet. But it's not like I just picked it up, I've actually been going hatch first for about 2 months now (I held my first 6 pool more than a month ago going hatch first). BUT - I wasn't perfect at it. I see some pros do roach hatch firsts, and I wondered why (I think they are just playing the metagame against people they expect to 14/14 bane... even though hatch first bane is better so i dunno, not many do it anymore but I saw... i think tsl alive do it recently). But still, I was far from perfect at it. Now, I not only hold 6 pools with ease going hatch first, and never lose to 14/14 openings (even if it transitions to banes), but I've been able to hold 10 pools off too. Now, 10 pool 8 drone all in, or 10 pool bane, is a bo loss, no doubt about it. But I've been able to hold 10 pools against people who didn't drag 8 drones or make banes (why in the world you would 10 pool, and then see its a hatch first, and not go banes or 8 drone all-in, i have no idea, but that's diamond for you).

In ZvP I've been trying some very wild, different compositions. I've attempted mutas a few times, and I really hate the style. I mean I love mutas, don't get me wrong, I go spire every game in ZvZ (a few people who've recognized my posts on TL have actually metagamed that, although in those instances I proved them wrong and how solid mutas are) and ZvT (even against mech), but I think it's mostly good on GSL sized, type maps, like crossfire or taldarim. I think it also requires 3 hatch, which I have just yet to try.

I've been getting really good at going fast third, and holding all sorts of bad all-ins that diamond does. Unfortunately, I've been having an actual tough time against diamond protoss who just take a third, and so I think what I need to do is just prepare for 6 gate all-ins by making lots of roaches and lings, and then if I'm not 6 gated, get lair and roach speed and just attack and deny the third. I always see pros do this, but I think I fall back on macro and that's kind of a mistake. I just want the damn viper

I've lost more games than I should, some from doing very silly things, but for the most part it's extremely easy and my win rate is extremely high. In most of my ZvTs, I actually just contain them on 2 base and then mass spinecrawlers in front of their base after having creeped the entire map. In ZvZ I just hatch first, hold, and then get mutas and own them. I lost a few games going hatch first, getting a roach lead, and trying to pressure right before a full on attack, and I learned you can't roach pressure without banelings (you can retreat from roaches, but not fromt speedlings), so I don't do that anymore. ZvP is really the only match-up that's a challenge in diamond, and I think my ZvP is quite good. I'm not sure what the difference between diamond and masters protoss is (besides the few diamonds who do things like forge on 1 base into gateways, and the lots of 4 gates), but it always comes to a macro game, they get a colossi deathball, and it's a hard fight for a zerg no matter what league you are.

Anyways, just my blog for now. I'll be masters soon enough, but I've been winning so many games in diamond by going mass queen, or mass spines. I even beat a terran going mass spore crawler earlier (he decided to transition from mech to mass viking/ghost i guess).

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virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
November 06 2011 21:13 GMT
#2
so basically you're bashing less skilled players. fantastic.
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
November 06 2011 21:14 GMT
#3
one of the best brag blogs I have ever read.
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optical630
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom768 Posts
November 06 2011 21:14 GMT
#4
i dropped down to diamond aswell due to not playing much in season 2 and then taking a huge break over season3, and all i can say is, i wish my opponents were as retarded as your's,
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
November 06 2011 21:15 GMT
#5
trouble with protoss? try stephanos build...While watching stream i see him go 3 base then lair constantly building queens. Gets a +1 range and pushes creep to their base. when roach speed and +1 finihses, he goes with like 15-20 roaches with like 9 queens and just pushes their base
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
November 06 2011 21:15 GMT
#6
Diamond's not that bad. You sure you're not playing silver players?
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Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
November 06 2011 21:21 GMT
#7
Yea man, you're fucking great. Thanks for letting us all know!
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
November 06 2011 21:24 GMT
#8
The brag in this blog is disgusting.

Can you please at least provide replays and information on your current position on the Ladder so we can have an idea of what type of Diamond players you are facing? The Diamond league has the most variety to it next to the bronze league (although the skill is more similar in bronze) because there are different tiers in the league. Some of us diamond players play Masters and Mid Master players on a daily basis but have not yet broken the W/L > 50% or possible 60% ratio barrier that keeps us from getting into Masters.

Also please put up a disclaimer in bold lettering saying that you are bragging the shit out of yourself and you think that everyone should lick your feet in your unfathomable greatness.

This is what frustrates me to be in Diamond, condescending comments like this when we are practicing our hearts out to get the next level through the toughest promotion process before the gaggle of bullshit that is Grand Master (making an inference from the reactions of High Master and previous GMs). Just frustrating as hell how inconsiderate people are, not to mention some people who are just out right terrible but still low Masters.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
November 06 2011 21:27 GMT
#9
so basically you're bashing less skilled players. fantastic.


There's plenty of half decent diamonds. I guess there's just of lot of variety in skill in diamond.

trouble with protoss? try stephanos build...While watching stream i see him go 3 base then lair constantly building queens. Gets a +1 range and pushes creep to their base. when roach speed and +1 finihses, he goes with like 15-20 roaches with like 9 queens and just pushes their base


You only go 3 base when protoss FFE, and I do do that. I don't like stephano's roach/hydra/corruptor play, and besides his (impressive) few, and recent, tournament results, I haven't been impressed by his play particularly. Just another roach/hydra/corruptor player. He does well because he goes fast third and how he expands is very good, but I don't like his strategy/unit choices.

Maybe you'll have to give a replay of what you are talking about, I haven't heard of that specifically, of +1 roach/9queen push...

Yea man, you're fucking great. Thanks for letting us all know!


Your missing the point of the blog, and it's my blog. It's what I feel atm, it's where I am. If you don't like me/my blog, cool. I'll be sure to take your feelings into account next time.

I just lost a game to protoss who did a ramp block on me. So you know, there's stuff like that.
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Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
November 06 2011 21:27 GMT
#10
I've also been learning to hatch first in ZvZ. I know, if you don't hatch first in ZvZ (or dont know how) then you are pretty bad and shouldn't be in masters yet.


What?

And if you're holding 6 pools going hatch first, either you're God or diamond is as bad as you say.
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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 21:31:52
November 06 2011 21:29 GMT
#11
hatch first beats 6 pool. there's plenty of diamonds who've posted replays here talking about how to hold 6 pool with hatch first. You can be fancy and micro like losira, but you can also just pull your drones from your mineral line into the open, and just a-move. That's really all it takes to beat 6 pool with hatch first. Even if they pull every drone, you'll win with an a-move. You will even beat 10 pools no drones and 8 pools with an a-move. You don't need godly micro to do it. 6 pooler will have to micro his ass off to hope to do more damage, but the hatch first player just has to a-move. If 6 pooler dances back to avoid disfavorable engagement, you will have 6 lings, a queen, and a spine making after cancelling the hatch in repsonse. Then you win.
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Spray
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States402 Posts
November 06 2011 21:29 GMT
#12
On November 07 2011 06:13 virpi wrote:
so basically you're bashing less skilled players. fantastic.

...This....
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Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 21:35:13
November 06 2011 21:33 GMT
#13
On November 07 2011 06:29 Belial88 wrote:
hatch first beats 6 pool. there's plenty of diamonds who've posted replays here talking about how to hold 6 pool with hatch first. You can be fancy and micro like losira, but you can also just pull your drones from your mineral line into the open, and just a-move. That's really all it takes to beat 6 pool with hatch first. Even if they pull every drone, you'll win with an a-move. You will even beat 10 pools no drones and 8 pools with an a-move. You don't need godly micro to do it. 6 pooler will have to micro his ass off to hope to do more damage, but the hatch first player just has to a-move. If 6 pooler dances back to avoid disfavorable engagement, you will have 6 lings, a queen, and a spine making after cancelling the hatch in repsonse. Then you win.


If this were true, there would be absolutely no reason to 6 pool. Might work on some maps, but definitely not all.
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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 21:36:32
November 06 2011 21:35 GMT
#14
Can you please at least provide replays and information on your current position on the Ladder so we can have an idea of what type of Diamond players you are facing? The Diamond league has the most variety to it next to the bronze league (although the skill is more similar in bronze) because there are different tiers in the league. Some of us diamond players play Masters and Mid Master players on a daily basis but have not yet broken the W/L > 50% or possible 60% ratio barrier that keeps us from getting into Masters.


I'll be sure to find some. I'll definitely save the replay where the guy went 2 base... something, and i massed spines and spores.

This is what frustrates me to be in Diamond, condescending comments like this when we are practicing our hearts out to get the next level through the toughest promotion process before the gaggle of bullshit that is Grand Master (making an inference from the reactions of High Master and previous GMs). Just frustrating as hell how inconsiderate people are, not to mention some people who are just out right terrible but still low Masters.


The variety in masters is just as much as diamond, I suppose. Low masters is sooo much worse than mid-masters. But I'm pretty sure everyone in masters at least has some kind of build going (ffe, etc) and goes some kind of standard unit composition (no marine/viking or mass carriers). If you are in diamond and facing masters and think you play well, you probably just have a few very easy, very simple mistakes to correct and you'll be in masters in no time. It's not hard to get to masters.

Not trying to be condescending, I face a decent number of players who are diamond that are okay, just the same as some low masters. But there's a surprising number of people who do forge/gateway 1 base builds, 1 gate stargate 3 gate into expand, and such bad things, as well as the number of people hwo just 4 gate or 6 rax or 7rr.

If this were true, there would be absolutely no reason to 6 pool. Might work on some maps, but definitely not all.


There isn't. That's why you don't see 6 pool in pro ZvZ anymore. There's quite a few GSL games where 6 pool has been held by hatch first.
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SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
November 06 2011 21:36 GMT
#15
Yup. Diamond players all have a tiny dick, and yours is big enough to impregnate Hagrid's mum. Done now?

I play in Platinum due to a long period of inactivity, and yeah, a lot of players don't have a clear strategy in mind. That is why they are in Platinum. I have really bad APM, don't get to play often and get distracted easily, so I haven't moved back up the leagues. There are also barely any players where I live. I find it fun to try and make up for my poor speed with better decision-making and thinking on my feet against players who are faster than me gives me a buzz. I am probably smarter than my opponents. But I don't make blogs about how shit they are.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11337 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 21:40:12
November 06 2011 21:37 GMT
#16
I know some people see this as a brag thread, but it actually put me in mind of an old Day9 podcast... before he started doing video casts. Why You Should Play Against Worse Players The main reason is trying news styles of play against not so good players. If you only play against better players, new styles will get crushed before you find its actual use by perfecting them.

Originally found: Day[9] Podcasts
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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
November 06 2011 21:37 GMT
#17
If you don't like my blog, than don't read it. It's where I'm at, a midmasters who's in diamond. I'm just posting saying I'm surprised by what I see in a league I was just in, and what I'm doing with the... opportunity, that I have.
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Darclite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1021 Posts
November 06 2011 21:48 GMT
#18
On November 07 2011 06:37 Belial88 wrote:
If you don't like my blog, than don't read it. It's where I'm at, a midmasters who's in diamond. I'm just posting saying I'm surprised by what I see in a league I was just in, and what I'm doing with the... opportunity, that I have.


You could have just said "since my mechanics are at a higher level than the people I am playing due to my MMR being lowered by others, I am trying out creative builds and practicing the following things" rather than talking about how bad everyone else is. While you clarify that you aren't addressing all diamonds in later posts, the OP does sound like you are just bragging.
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MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
November 06 2011 21:52 GMT
#19
On November 07 2011 06:37 Belial88 wrote:
If you don't like my blog, than don't read it. It's where I'm at, a midmasters who's in diamond. I'm just posting saying I'm surprised by what I see in a league I was just in, and what I'm doing with the... opportunity, that I have.


I used to say that about myself. I was beating masters players left right and centre on Ladder, but then when I got promoted ot masters, and actually played mid/high masters I realized I'm not actually all that good. I think the same is with you. If you're holding 6 pools at masters level with hatch first, especially with all drones pulled, your control must be THE best in the world. Give me the replays, I must learn!

TL;DR You're not masters for a reason.
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HikariPrime
Profile Joined May 2011
United States122 Posts
November 06 2011 21:55 GMT
#20
Rank isn't really shit to care about.... I get the thrashing of the lower league guys, but that's why they are there. They need to practice and focus on build orders and mechanics at that point and that's the difference between a mid master and a high diamond. I prefer off ladder practice. That way i know my friend is going a legitimate build that works and i can practice on how to hold it and win. Much better practice. Although i do have to say, quite a bit of the pros do some wonky stuff during tournaments that you would probably refer to as "bad builds". Do whatever you can to win.
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
November 06 2011 21:57 GMT
#21
On November 07 2011 06:37 Falling wrote:
I know some people see this as a brag thread, but it actually put me in mind of an old Day9 podcast... before he started doing video casts. Why You Should Play Against Worse Players The main reason is trying news styles of play against not so good players. If you only play against better players, new styles will get crushed before you find its actual use by perfecting them.

Originally found: Day[9] Podcasts


Yeah, this is exactly why I haven't played by build orders now that I fell to diamond during the summer.( was afk for 4 months)
I think my play is now on the level of getting back to masters and it has been really fun.
I've been just winging my builds or gone by some crazy idea, then if it didn't take me anywhere I tried to fight my way out by outmacroing or microing. Got good training and maybe a few unique timing pushes.
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eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
November 06 2011 21:58 GMT
#22
Post a link to your sc2ranks profile. That would end alot of the shittalking.
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
November 06 2011 22:04 GMT
#23
I'm surprised people are so sensitive about this post. I'm not even in Diamond yet and I don't take it offensively, a player who obviously should be in a higher league is trying to get back to it (not even staying low to bash easier opponents but *trying* to win!) and is trying various things out.

Sure he comes off a little happy with himself, but it does sound like he's having fun and winning always makes people feel good about themselves.

Stop taking things so seriously guys.
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
November 06 2011 22:13 GMT
#24
Shit talking diamond players while on US server? Your mid masters = diamond in EU and probably lower in KR so yeah, your not as omgwtf awesome as you think you are xD.
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humblegar
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Norway883 Posts
November 06 2011 22:13 GMT
#25
On November 07 2011 06:27 Belial88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
so basically you're bashing less skilled players. fantastic.


There's plenty of half decent diamonds. I guess there's just of lot of variety in skill in diamond.

Show nested quote +
trouble with protoss? try stephanos build...While watching stream i see him go 3 base then lair constantly building queens. Gets a +1 range and pushes creep to their base. when roach speed and +1 finihses, he goes with like 15-20 roaches with like 9 queens and just pushes their base


You only go 3 base when protoss FFE, and I do do that. I don't like stephano's roach/hydra/corruptor play, and besides his (impressive) few, and recent, tournament results, I haven't been impressed by his play particularly. Just another roach/hydra/corruptor player. He does well because he goes fast third and how he expands is very good, but I don't like his strategy/unit choices.

Maybe you'll have to give a replay of what you are talking about, I haven't heard of that specifically, of +1 roach/9queen push...

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Yea man, you're fucking great. Thanks for letting us all know!


Your missing the point of the blog, and it's my blog. It's what I feel atm, it's where I am. If you don't like me/my blog, cool. I'll be sure to take your feelings into account next time.

I just lost a game to protoss who did a ramp block on me. So you know, there's stuff like that.


No wonder Stephano does not impress you! Where is his blog about winning matches in diamond?
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
November 06 2011 22:43 GMT
#26
I used to say that about myself. I was beating masters players left right and centre on Ladder, but then when I got promoted ot masters, and actually played mid/high masters I realized I'm not actually all that good. I think the same is with you. If you're holding 6 pools at masters level with hatch first, especially with all drones pulled, your control must be THE best in the world. Give me the replays, I must learn!


I was 1k+ masters. Not low masters. I'm not masters because someone tanked my MMR, I haven't played in a while, and I'm doing wonky stuff at the moment. I'm pretty much up to speed now and a better player, so I've been holding an extremely high win rate now, facing masters, etc.

You don't have to have THE best control to hold a 6 pool with hatch first. You just a-move your drones and then lings pop, and you clean up. If he pulled every drone, you'll make out (with an a-move that is) with either 2 drones or a few lings. If you actually do bronze level control, you'll do even better.

Although i do have to say, quite a bit of the pros do some wonky stuff during tournaments that you would probably refer to as "bad builds". Do whatever you can to win


No they don't. They may do something wonky like nydus or mass queens, but they aren't doing a really bad build opening like 10 pool into macro against hatch first in zvz or a 10 pool but not pulling drones against hatch first or getting banes, or some weird 3 rax reactor hellion (not an all in, at least not fast) or 3 gate stargate without being all-in.
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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 22:52:31
November 06 2011 22:48 GMT
#27
Your mid masters = diamond in EU and probably lower in KR so yeah, your not as omgwtf awesome as you think you are xD.


Oh god no, I'm quite aware i'm pretty bad. I never claimed to be good at all, but I *thought* that diamond was about not getting supply blocked and constantly making workers, and having some modicum of a build order (maybe they get blocked at 30 supply, but they at least go reactor hellion, etc). I think that masters NA means that you have a build order, don't get supply blocked, and make workers. Obviously, even pros get supply blocked at times, but it's more the rare than the norm.

But me being masters NA = diamond EU = plat KR, sure, I wouldn't argue. I don't play on those servers. I'm not saying I'm good at all. Never did. I just, you know, don't make a gateway then forge on 1 base, or don't make seige tanks, or make hydras.

No wonder Stephano does not impress you! Where is his blog about winning matches in diamond?


Sorry, don't get me wrong. I watch a lot of his play, he's quite good. What I meant is that his play isn't particularly unique, imo, he just plays extremely solid macro that is.... not sure how to put this... he plays a certain fast third vs FFE style that's recently become very popular, and he does it well. Aftewards his play is very generic, and I don't agree with roach/hydra/corruptor (in zvp). I would rather look to DRG/Idra/standard recent ZvT style and nestea/idra for zvz.

Not at all saying I'm good. I'm just posting a blog of a 1k pt masters commenting on his observations after being put in diamond league, and what i've been doing having been placed here.

btw here's my sc2ranks
http://sc2ranks.com/us/1584798/Belial

It REALLY doesn't matter. I'm not a good player at all, I just avoid supply blocks and have the basics of how to play the match-ups down. I make drones, I avoid supply blocks, I get diamond NA. Then I have a little better play here and there, and that puts me masters level. Big difference between high diamond and masters is not making more than 65 drones (for zerg), not hatch firsting in zvz, and not taking a fast third in zvp vs ffe, that's really it. You can just see my ranking got tanked the day of blizzcon oct 22.
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Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
November 06 2011 23:07 GMT
#28
Looks like from sc2ranks you're losing just as much as you're winning.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 06 2011 23:33 GMT
#29
Those damn kids tanked my mmr! Best absolvere of the day.
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DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
November 06 2011 23:42 GMT
#30
On November 07 2011 08:07 Zorkmid wrote:
Looks like from sc2ranks you're losing just as much as you're winning.

pwned.
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Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
November 06 2011 23:44 GMT
#31
Don't let the haters get to you belial! I've done the same thing and it's always absolutely comical to see how bad NA diamond and low masters is. You should try some funny shit like mass queen into ultra or something with transfuse spam xD
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
November 06 2011 23:47 GMT
#32
On November 07 2011 08:07 Zorkmid wrote:
Looks like from sc2ranks you're losing just as much as you're winning.

Well, I guess that wraps up this thread.
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1685 Posts
November 06 2011 23:50 GMT
#33
Wait, you're bashing about diamond players, when you are in fact in diamond? o.0

Is this a fail brag blog or what
prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
November 07 2011 00:00 GMT
#34
Holy fucking shit I'll bet this guy plays StarCraft 2 with sunglasses on.

<- omg just fuckin' look at him. What a baller.
Oh no
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
November 07 2011 00:15 GMT
#35
LOL ye I'm pretty sure 198 points with 64 wins means quite a lot of losses to those "incompetent" diamond baddies, as you put it.
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
November 07 2011 00:39 GMT
#36
On November 07 2011 09:15 Bibbit wrote:
LOL ye I'm pretty sure 198 points with 64 wins means quite a lot of losses to those "incompetent" diamond baddies, as you put it.


Dancing lings fo sho!
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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
November 07 2011 02:13 GMT
#37
Looks like from sc2ranks you're losing just as much as you're winning.


Yea I explained that in my op... I've been doing some wildly different strats (no roaches in zvz, roach timings in tvz, more banes in zvp, etc). And I'm not losing as much as winning either.


Those damn kids tanked my mmr! Best absolvere of the day.


if you look at the sc2 ranks page, you'l see it's more than just a bad day on october 22nd.


Don't let the haters get to you belial! I've done the same thing and it's always absolutely comical to see how bad NA diamond and low masters is. You should try some funny shit like mass queen into ultra or something with transfuse spam xD


I think most people are missing the point of the post. Masters hardly means good, but apparently they think I'm bragging when I say I'm mid-masters.
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Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 03:01:49
November 07 2011 03:00 GMT
#38
On November 07 2011 11:13 Belial88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Looks like from sc2ranks you're losing just as much as you're winning.


Yea I explained that in my op... I've been doing some wildly different strats (no roaches in zvz, roach timings in tvz, more banes in zvp, etc). And I'm not losing as much as winning either.



You're 10-13 in last 25. Share some replays of those crazy shenanigans you've been doing!
ironpiggy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States70 Posts
November 07 2011 03:21 GMT
#39
i'll bet your win rate is extremely high. you can't see your win/loss ratio.
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Imperium11
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States279 Posts
November 07 2011 03:23 GMT
#40
I don't have too much to add, except to critique your bashing of gateway forge off of one base (to start at least)....its my new favorite build in PvZ. Here is the liquipedia link.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Gateway_Forge_Expand_(vs._Zerg)

Maybe it isn't the build that you were referring to, but in that case you should be more specific.
Forlorn
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)69 Posts
November 07 2011 06:57 GMT
#41
I have a very similar story. I didn't like the NA server that much, everyone I played was so cheesy and really bm. People on NA have huge egos. I was master's in s3 but had a horrible w/l record and didn't really care. I was mostly focusing on my KR account and trying to make it into diamond there. S4 came out and I finally made diamond on KR but at the same time I got demoted to diamond on NA.

I can honestly say, the people in diamond on NA are absolutely horrible. It feels like they can't multitask at all. Often times I just have to defend their one attack and the game is basically over. I find a lot of them stick to only two base play and don't take thirds or they take their thirds way too late. I also completely agree that most of them do not have well defined build orders. I was honestly surprised by the sort of 'free style' play I've seen.

Most of my strategies for ZvP or ZvT involve holding off their first attack, getting fast upgrades, getting to 200 supply, getting tons of larvae and then just trading armies equally with them and just instant remaxing and overwhelming them.

For ZvZ, I used to be absolutely horrible at zvz. I tried hatch first builds a lot but I could never get the hang of it. I always seemed to die to 14/14 banelings or to 10 pools. I now am going with 14g13p build into baneling pressure and expanding behind it. I feel this build is a lot safer. I also am not making roaches in zvz and I love this new playstyle. Upgrading carapace first makes it so your lings don't die to one baneling. I go heavy upgraded lings/blings and slow tech into spire. If they go fast spire then I just win with my counter attack.

Currently I am 18 - 5 on NA and still not promoted back to masters and 14-4 on KR and I am high diamond there.
Hi
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 22:13:43
November 07 2011 22:13 GMT
#42
14/14 bane can be a lot of pressure, but you shouldn't die to it (you will if you crucially are late on your first overlord, something i did a few times when getting back into things, yesterday i lost to it on my first game in the morning because i totally forgot the overlord). You should be getting a baneling nest before speed against 14/14, whereas 14/14 will get speed first, so you will have banes earlier.

10 pool 8 drone all-in (nestea's anti hatch first build) and 10 pool bane (check does this) will autowin against hatch first (im afraid even a platinum doing it will autowin), but if someone does a 10 pool without pulling drones or getting banes, you will just end up even (or very much ahead due to faster hatch, but they should be expanding and forcing you to waste even more econ by at least following up with speed or banes). Although I don't know why you wouldn't pull 8 drones or get banes if you scouted hatch first when you went 10 pool though, but I guess a lot of people just don't know that, even those above diamond.

If it's 11 pool though, you'll win, especially overlord first into 11pool, like overpool builds.

You should try 14/14 instead of 14/13. 14/14 is better than any earlier pool (including 14/13) and safe against it, and both are too late against any hatch firsts. I actually think that something like 16g/17p would be a better build than 14/14, because you'll still beat earlier pools, you'll beat 14/14, and you won't be as far behind against hatch first, but of course that's just theorycraft. I don't understand why the convention is 14/14 though, I think you can get away with something like 15/15 and you'll still laugh off earlier pools.

I think not making roaches in ZvZ is the 'correct' way to play, but being where I was, I was having actually a lot of games where I was 4+ bases in a ZvZ, containing my zerg opponent, and knowing full well he was going roach/infestor or roach/hydra/infestor, and then he'd push at the 20 minute mark and I'd die. Some of the times I even had ultra tech, but I would never have ultras assembled, i would just die with 2-3 ultras in my army and about 8 more just coming in one by one as he killed off my bases. I learned that while roach/hydra gets owned by muta/ling (you just get speedbanes to counter hydras, and get more mutas), roach/infestor is a totally different story.

It's like, okay, I see hydras, I respond with speed banes. Then they get infestors and it's like WHOA total change, you have to drop what you are doing and just respond with a bigger roach/infestor army. Now if they go Roach/hydra/infestor on 3 base, then sure, you go ultralisks. But if they go roach with infestors on 2 base because you contained them, no amount of ling/bane/muta will kill it, you just have to go roach/infestor.

So I learned that while you always go mutas, if the opponent is stuck on 2 bases and is dumb enough to be going roach/infestor with no spire opener, you just get your own roach/infestor and beat them with a huge macro lead, since if the other player doesn't open spire in ZvZ it's basically an autowin. I think that the proper response if they go roach/hydra is to get speedbanes, but you have to scout a lot to make sure no infestors are coming. Which is fine, you know, I just wasn't sure what to do against roach/hydra/infestor, and now I know.

I also used to think, recently, that whoever went spire first wins, and now I know that whoever goes spire later, actually usually wins, because they will get more mutas. The thing is, is if the opponent goes faster spire than you, you have to get spores to defend and maybe even speed overlords so you dont getblocked. But, if you can survive long enough, with your huge macro lead you'll pop 2x as many mutas, and then push him back. You just can't die in the process. That was something I had to learn, because a short while I was going like 30 supply mutas on 2 base, popping 6 of them, and not doing any damage and then getting overrun by their mutas.

I'm sure you'll get masters soon enough in NA (if you want it). I think I've learned what I needed to know and am just winning all my games, no more silly stuff and no more forgetting my bo's lol.
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Catgroove
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden67 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-11 00:05:21
November 11 2011 00:05 GMT
#43
On November 07 2011 06:37 Belial88 wrote:
If you don't like my blog, than don't read it. It's where I'm at, a midmasters who's in diamond. I'm just posting saying I'm surprised by what I see in a league I was just in, and what I'm doing with the... opportunity, that I have.


How the fuck are we suppose to know if we like it if we're not allowed to read it first?

"dont like it dont read it"-comments are so fucking stupid.
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